Decompressing From The End Of The UT Game...

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hatvol96 said:
Brewer and Modica are both gone. However, their big guys who killed us on the boards are all back.
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And they have Ervin, formerly of MSU fame, and Beverly, leading freshman scorer in the SEC, as guards. Definitely an upgrade from last year. They also have the top juco recruit from last year's class, Sonny Weems, but he has turned out to be decent thus far. If one of their bigs, Darian Townes, shows up to play like he can, we could have a tough day.

Finally, theirs is a large arena, which makes for tough shooting for visitors.

They could be awful as hat mentioned, but we did just get the hammer from SC on the road. I'm giving that a coin flip.
 
#27
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BigPapaVol said:
1....or forced us to win 2 more
2....agreed
3....they're in. Sutton is no coach
4....Good guard play with reliable, not great, big men
5....Don't care
6....He also has a couple of very good ballplayers
7....See 6.
8....Agreed, but they have a pretty good resume
9....I don't think a fraud. Here's where the new garbage about guard dominated yadda yadda falls apart. UVA has two very strong guards and nobody else, hence they're as inconsistent as absolutely possible.
10...FSU regularly sucks
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Sean Sutton will be just fine. He's already recruiting at a level his father never did at OSU. They got a commitment from Troy Gillenwater this week. Mississippi State has infinitely more talent than Ole Miss. The Rebels biggest strength is experience, not skill.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
And they have Ervin, formerly of MSU fame, and Beverly, leading freshman scorer in the SEC, as guards. Definitely an upgrade from last year. They also have the top juco recruit from last year's class, Sonny Weems, but he has turned out to be decent thus far. If one of their bigs, Darian Townes, shows up to play like he can, we could have a tough day.

Finally, theirs is a large arena, which makes for tough shooting for visitors.

They could be awful as hat mentioned, but we did just get the hammer from SC on the road. I'm giving that a coin flip.
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Ronnie Brewer was three times the player either of their guards this year are. Modica was better than Gary Ervin. Beverly is a totally one dimensional player. I'm much happier playing against the guys they have now.
 
#29
#29
hatvol96 said:
some thoughts.
1. A win UT had to have. A loss tonight would have meant an NIT appearance.
2. Nice that ESPN2 cut to the end of the game. We're becoming nationally relevant enough to merit such treatment.
3. Oklahoma State is collapsing. They have the distinct look of an NIT team.
4. Texas A&M is tough and experienced. I wouldn't want them in my NCAA draw.
5. Rex Walters is going to make some big time school a very good coach in a couple of years. FAU has improved as much as any team I have seen all year.
6. Andy Kennedy can flat coach. Did anyone actually think Ole Miss would be leading the West with 3 games to play?
7. Mississippi State has also found their stride. They will be a force in the SEC tournament.
8. Huge win for Virginia Tech. They needed to beat BC to avoid going into freefall.
9. UVA is obviously a fraud. A loss to Miami is ipso facto evidence you're not very good.
10. There are just some things in life you can count on. One of them is the annual late season collapse by Florida State.
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1. Agreed. I think UT needs at least one more win.
3. I'm surprised by that. I didn't think they were great but they have collapsed.
6. I like Kennedy as well but they have a dominant front court and a solid point guard. Kennedy has definitely played to their strengths.
7. I thought when we played them they were one of the most athletic teams we had played and I still do.
 
#30
#30
hatvol96 said:
Sean Sutton will be just fine. He's already recruiting at a level his father never did at OSU. They got a commitment from Troy Gillenwater this week. Mississippi State has infinitely more talent than Ole Miss. The Rebels biggest strength is experience, not skill.
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I don't think Sutton can coach. Might recruit fine, but right now losing to lesser teams with a lot of talent on the floor. His daddy had some horses at OSU, and KY and AR. MSU definitely has more talent, but Ole Miss is not SC. Ole Miss has a couple of good guards who can shoot, which can change the game in college ball today.
 
#32
#32
My only worry is your #2 point... When somebody announced during the game-thread that ESPN had switched to the game, I checked it out.

I don't know where y'all live, but in Memphis they stuck w/ aTm and OK State on ESPN 2, and the NBA game on ESPN.

On the CSS channel, which always emphasizes local teams, they showed Cinci & Georgetown.

On the plus side, I hope not to many people outside the state saw the game. It could only hurt both Bama and TN's hopes.

On top of that, given the losses by UGA, Vandy, etc. tonight, the infamous SEC parity just got even more intense.... I really think that if Vandy & UGA don't bomb their final game (and maybe the first round of the SECs), we need to go to the 2nd round in the tourney- unless we absolutely clobber Arkansas.
 
#33
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BigPapaVol said:
I don't think Sutton can coach. Might recruit fine, but right now losing to lesser teams with a lot of talent on the floor. His daddy had some horses at OSU, and KY and AR. MSU definitely has more talent, but Ole Miss is not SC. Ole Miss has a couple of good guards who can shoot, which can change the game in college ball today.
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Outside of Curry and Boggan, exactly what talent does OSU have?
 
#34
#34
hatvol96 said:
Ronnie Brewer was three times the player either of their guards this year are. Modica was better than Gary Ervin. Beverly is a totally one dimensional player. I'm much happier playing against the guys they have now.
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Brewer was a mediocre PG at best. He was a 3 trying to be PG. Modica was a small forward and rarely handled the rock. He was also benched for a long period of time during his Jr and Sr years because he was a turnover machine and played no D and wasn't making shots.

This squad will make turnovers, but not like last year's disaster and they can shoot the 3. This team doesn't have to sit back and watch Brewer. Clearly Brewer and Modica were better scorers, but were not "guards." Brewer was a weakness at guard, but played because of the lack of options. Ervin gives them a true PG. Big men are completely hit or miss. If they bring it, we've got issues.
 
#35
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MemphisVol said:
My only worry is your #2 point... When somebody announced during the game-thread that ESPN had switched to the game, I checked it out.

I don't know where y'all live, but in Memphis they stuck w/ aTm and OK State on ESPN 2, and the NBA game on ESPN.

On the CSS channel, which always emphasizes local teams, they showed Cinci & Georgetown.

On the plus side, I hope not to many people outside the state saw the game. It could only hurt both Bama and TN's hopes.

On top of that, given the losses by UGA, Vandy, etc. tonight, the infamous SEC parity just got even more intense.... I really think that if Vandy & UGA don't bomb their final game (and maybe the first round of the SECs), we need to go to the 2nd round in the tourney- unless we absolutely clobber Arkansas.
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ESPN2 showed the final 30 seconds of the game.
 
#37
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BigPapaVol said:
Brewer was a mediocre PG at best. He was a 3 trying to be PG. Modica was a small forward and rarely handled the rock. He was also benched for a long period of time during his Jr and Sr years because he was a turnover machine and played no D and wasn't making shots.

This squad will make turnovers, but not like last year's disaster and they can shoot the 3. This team doesn't have to sit back and watch Brewer. Clearly Brewer and Modica were better scorers, but were not "guards." Brewer was a weakness at guard, but played because of the lack of options. Ervin gives them a true PG. Big men are completely hit or miss. If they bring it, we've got issues.
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Gary Ervin is terrible. Charlie Burgess ate his lunch in the Texas Tech game. The fact Stansbury gave him a release to play inside the conference tells you all you need to know about Ervin. If they're so much better this year, why did last year's team make the tournament and this bunch will be a first round NIT casualty?
 
#38
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hatvol96 said:
Outside of Curry and Boggan, exactly what talent does OSU have?
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What more do they need? 3 NBA types often translates to championships, two at times. They have their 2.

I think they show up unprepared to play a lot. Don't know if Curry is a head case or what, but he appears to be the reason.
 
#40
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BigPapaVol said:
What more do they need? 3 NBA types often translates to championships, two at times. They have their 2.

I think they show up unprepared to play a lot. Don't know if Curry is a head case or what, but he appears to be the reason.
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Neither Boggan nor Curry are NBA talents. They both have NBDL written all over them.
 
#41
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BigPapaVol said:
What more do they need? 3 NBA types often translates to championships, two at times. They have their 2.

I think they show up unprepared to play a lot. Don't know if Curry is a head case or what, but he appears to be the reason.
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I agree about Curry being disruptive. However, the rest of that team is so bad that Boggan and Curry both have to hit 20+ to even give them a chance.
 
#42
#42
hatvol96 said:
Gary Ervin is terrible. Charlie Burgess ate his lunch in the Texas Tech game. The fact Stansbury gave him a release to play inside the conference tells you all you need to know about Ervin. If they're so much better this year, why did last year's team make the tournament and this bunch will be a first round NIT casualty?
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Never argued they were better. Their guard play is better. Say what you will about Ervin, but he is a solid PG. This year's team is very inconsistent because their big men often don't arrive. When those 3 show up and play aggressively, AR can flat out play. Last year's team was more consistent because if the big men didn't show up, Brewer and Modica were good enough scorers to take over the load. This year's team lacks that. Mark my words, if Townes has a good ballgame, we will come away disappointed.
 
#43
#43
hatvol96 said:
ESPN2 showed the final 30 seconds of the game.
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If you're both in Memphis and mean overtime, then I might have missed it- I stopped trying late in OT once it became clear one of the ESPNs was showing it elsewhere much, much earlier but not here.
 
#44
#44
BigPapaVol said:
Never argued they were better. Their guard play is better. Say what you will about Ervin, but he is a solid PG. This year's team is very inconsistent because their big men often don't arrive. When those 3 show up and play aggressively, AR can flat out play. Last year's team was more consistent because if the big men didn't show up, Brewer and Modica were good enough scorers to take over the load. This year's team lacks that. Mark my words, if Townes has a good ballgame, we will come away disappointed.
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Stephen Hill is better than Townes. I could see him blocking pretty much every shot Duke Crews and Wayne Chism take.
 
#45
#45
MemphisVol said:
If you're both in Memphis and mean overtime, then I might have missed it- I stopped trying late in OT once it became clear one of the ESPNs was showing it elsewhere much, much earlier but not here.
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All I saw in South Florida was the final 30 seconds of OT.
 
#46
#46
hatvol96 said:
I agree about Curry being disruptive. However, the rest of that team is so bad that Boggan and Curry both have to hit 20+ to even give them a chance.
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Their scrubs are no worse than Bradshaw. Wait a minute, that means they could still be juco 6th man caliber. I think they struggle from the same problem AL has - they can't shoot well enough to get pressure off their studs. But lots of teams have had that problem and still found ways to win. As you've so well stated, AR won enough to dance last year and their role players were pathetic.
 
#48
#48
hatvol96 said:
Outside of Curry and Boggan, exactly what talent does OSU have?
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Besides those two, I would say Eaton, Dove, and Muonelo. Eaton is a sophmore who is very quick and will be a nice player before he leaves. Dove is one of the best defenders in the country, anybody who has had to face him has said he is the toughest defender the have dealt with. His length combined with his great lateral movement make it hard to get a decent shot up on him. Muonelo would be one of the top freshmen in the country had he not been hurt early on. He was a top 20 player coming out of high school.
 
#49
#49
hatvol96 said:
Stephen Hill is better than Townes. I could see him blocking pretty much every shot Duke Crews and Wayne Chism take.
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Townes is dramatically more talented. He's more polished, quicker, more athletic, longer arms, stronger, etc. But he's a head case of a lazy, shiftless slug or he's very passive. The days he brings it, he's very good. Hill has to dunk a lot to be an offensive factor at all (maybe some tip ins or put backs), but plays because he changes a lot of shots.
 
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