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jakez4ut said:
i'll send a letter to Mike Hamilton and the Alumni board...........:eek:k:
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I'm just saying that as a fan I am more interested in what they did at UF than what they did after. I'm not saying I don't take pride in it. Of course I do. As should you re: PM.

But I am saying that when people translate what he did in the NFL as somehow because he went to UT (as opposed to anywhere else) then that's just plain silly.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I'm just saying that as a fan I am more interested in what they did at UF than what they did after. I'm not saying I don't take pride in it. Of course I do. As should you re: PM.

But I am saying that when people translate what he did in the NFL as somehow because he went to UT (as opposed to anywhere else) then that's just plain silly.
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:thumbsup: on that we agree, and i think we always have.
 
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#128
how long has it been since a QB went 39 and 6 at UT.

we know martin had 2 good years.
 
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patrick said:
how long has it been since a QB went 39 and 6 at UT.

we know martin had 2 good years.
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never. it was an SEC record at the time. so no qb had done it in the SEC, let alone TN.

Greene at UGA beat it out with 42 wins in his career.
 
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#130
lawgator1 said:
I'm just saying that as a fan I am more interested in what they did at UF than what they did after. I'm not saying I don't take pride in it. Of course I do. As should you re: PM.

But I am saying that when people translate what he did in the NFL as somehow because he went to UT (as opposed to anywhere else) then that's just plain silly.
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It just gives us an upper because we have not had to much to go crazy about. When he wins, we feel pride because he was a Vol and yes he could of gone anywhere. He was a UT QB so it gives us a feeling of pride when a UT QB does well.
 
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#132
jakez4ut said:
:thumbsup: on that we agree, and i think we always have.
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You and me, maybe. But not everyone. There are some who for some reason insist on some of PM's recent NFL success rubbing off on, for example, Fulmer. That I don't get.
 
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#133
lawgator1 said:
I'm just saying that as a fan I am more interested in what they did at UF than what they did after. I'm not saying I don't take pride in it. Of course I do. As should you re: PM.

But I am saying that when people translate what he did in the NFL as somehow because he went to UT (as opposed to anywhere else) then that's just plain silly.
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I understand and agree. This is the kind of thing that happens when your team is not winning SEC championships. On the other hand, Peyton is becoming to UT what Archie is to OM. Though some, including myself wonder how this is justified, it is happening nonetheless.

Peyton is viewed as a player that single handedly took the Vols program out of the mire and pushed it to the next level (even though he never won the big one). Peyton's impact on the program could be debated on several levels, but in all actuallity, he had nothing to do with UT's national title in 98.

Just as Archie is a diety in Oxford, and the state of Miss, Peyton is on his way to that status in Tenn. Yes he was raised with a silver spoon in his mouth. People on this board probably have little insight into the depths of Archies celebrity in Miss. That is a contentious point for people who wanted him to earn his spot in history, and for those who wish he had done a better job at that when he played at UT (myeslf included). His tendency to fold in big games has been documented, and Vol fans actually suffered through those times.

I guess the point is this. Peyton is now finally earning his spot in history, and some of the more overzealous Vol fans simply want to feel as though they have a part in it. Simply let them enjoy it as they so choose.
 
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Lexvol said:
I understand and agree. This is the kind of thing that happens when your team is not winning SEC championships. On the other hand, Peyton is becoming to UT what Archie is to OM. Though some, including myself wonder how this is justified, it is happening nonetheless.

Peyton is viewed as a player that single handedly took the Vols program out of the mire and pushed it to the next level (even though he never won the big one). Peyton's impact on the program could be debated on several levels, but in all actuallity, he had nothing to do with UT's national title in 98.

Just as Archie is a diety in Oxford, and the state of Miss, Peyton is on his way to that status in Tenn. Yes he was raised with a silver spoon in his mouth. People on this board probably have little insight into the depths of Archies celebrity in Miss. That is a contentious point for people who wanted him to earn his spot in history, and for those who wish he had done a better job at that when he played at UT (myeslf included). His tendency to fold in big games has been documented, and Vol fans actually suffered through those times.

I guess the point is this. Peyton is now finally earning his spot in history, and some of the more overzealous Vol fans simply want to feel as though they have a part in it. Simply let them enjoy it as they so choose.
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Fair enough.
 
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#135
Leak's combined record is 37 and 14.... but won a natl title. SEC titles = won 1 out right and tied for another.
 
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#136
For my part, at least, Peyton's return for his fourth year was the big thing. I think most UT fans saw that as a huge validation of the program, the University, and Tennessee in general. He can probably be elected governor of Tennessee when he retires.

As far as PM being a draw for recruits, I think he has established a relationship with every UT QB that has come along since his departure. I remember reading that both he and Eli were in Knoxville over the summer helping out Coach Cut. that has to help put UT on a recruit's radar, especially the QBs
 
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Lexvol said:
His tendency to fold in big games has been documented, and Vol fans actually suffered through those times.
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I just don't get this. Does everyone think PM only played in 6 big games his career at UT as a starter? Or are they only big games when you lose?

Also, to say that PM's NFL success has nothing to do with his college career is incorrect. I think his NFL career has everything to do with UT. They are tied together - cause and effect if you will.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
I just don't get this. Does everyone think PM only played in 6 big games his career at UT as a starter? Or are they only big games when you lose?

Also, to say that PM's NFL success has nothing to do with his college career is incorrect. I think his NFL career has everything to do with UT. They are tied together - cause and effect if you will.
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I felt like UT was losing to Florida during those years mainly because UT secondary couldn't cover Florida's WR's. Plus, UT hadn't come up with a defensive concept that worked well against Spurrier. Later on, Chavis started blitzing a lot against Spurrier and had some success.
 
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oklavol said:
I felt like UT was losing to Florida during those years mainly because UT secondary couldn't cover Florida's WR's. Plus, UT hadn't come up with a defensive concept that worked well against Spurrier. Later on, Chavis started blitzing a lot against Spurrier and had some success.
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QFT.

You know, you still have to outscore the opposition to win the game, and Florida rung up a heap of points in those years, even against some pretty good UT defenses.
 
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Yeah, UT is the reason Manning has had statistical success in the pros. Had he gone to school elsewhere, he would be in the Arena League. Also, Oklahoma State is the only reason Barry Sanders played in the NFL and Brett Favre would be waiting tables were it not for Southern Miss.
 
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#141
:shakehead:

Isn't success determined by statistics? What other type of success is there?
 
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hatvol96 said:
Yeah, UT is the reason Manning has had statistical success in the pros. Had he gone to school elsewhere, he would be in the Arena League. Also, Oklahoma State is the only reason Barry Sanders played in the NFL and Brett Favre would be waiting tables were it not for Southern Miss.
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UT is simply guilty by association - and that's fine. I'm not correlating his success with having been at UT, I'm saying that we benefit, to some limited degree, from his current success.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
I just don't get this. Does everyone think PM only played in 6 big games his career at UT as a starter? Or are they only big games when you lose?

Also, to say that PM's NFL success has nothing to do with his college career is incorrect. I think his NFL career has everything to do with UT. They are tied together - cause and effect if you will.
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on point 1. they are bigger when you lose. and you can't deny that the FL game was the big game each year he was there. Bama not withstanding, some of the shine has been worn off of those victories, i don't agree with it, but understand it. Everyone has beaten bama since PM, so in essence, who cares? he is one of many now that accomplished the same thing. same with GA, SC etc, etc, etc...
but i see your point.....
on point 2. it was not cause and effect.
oklavol said:
I felt like UT was losing to Florida during those years mainly because UT secondary couldn't cover Florida's WR's. Plus, UT hadn't come up with a defensive concept that worked well against Spurrier. Later on, Chavis started blitzing a lot against Spurrier and had some success.
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i agree to a point. our defense did not help us much against FL. but PM did throw crucial INT's in at least two of those games. the best game he ever played against them was in 96, and we still lost. but you're right, he wasn't THE reason we didn't beat FL while he was there.

hatvol96 said:
Yeah, UT is the reason Manning has had statistical success in the pros. Had he gone to school elsewhere, he would be in the Arena League. Also, Oklahoma State is the only reason Barry Sanders played in the NFL and Brett Favre would be waiting tables were it not for Southern Miss.
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sarcasm......you gotta love it. especially when it makes a valid point.
UT IE 95 said:
:shakehead:

Isn't success determined by statistics? What other type of success is there?
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really?
 
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#144
hatvol96 said:
I think I've already responded to all the Manning fans. However, I do have a question. Does his win Sunday somehow change his 0-4 record against Florida? I think not. So, keep kissing his a$$. I will keep worrying about UT.
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I don't think you are down on Peyton, just down on his fans,right?
 
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#145
jakez4ut said:
on point 2. it was not cause and effect.
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Take a similar situation, Chris Simms. If he had stayed at UT (the real one) for four years under Cut, he would be a better QB today.

If PM had been coached by any other QB coach, his career would have been different. He would still be successful based on his character, but I think his experience and learning at UT made PM what he is today. Much like everyone can say about their time on the hill.

PM agrees with this, which is why he returns to UT often, supports the program, and told EA to shut up and do whatever Cut tells him to do.

Thus, PM is who he is today because of his four years in Knoxville. (ever see the movie Sliding Doors?)
 
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#146
I guess he would have really been better off at Morehead State...like his daddy. They have been known to develop some great flag football talent into NFL greatness....
 
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#147
Of course Manning's success is attributable to UT. Look what mini-Fulmer did for the NFL career of Heath Shuler. Remind me again when his induction into Canton takes place.
 
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#148
hatvol96 said:
Of course Manning's success is attributable to UT. Look what mini-Fulmer did for the NFL career of Heath Shuler. Remind me again when his induction into Canton takes place.
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Funny how you still find a way to take shots at our coaches. One thing I can say about you hate, when it comes to bashing our coaches you sir are an over achiever! :salute:
 
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#149
hatvol96 said:
Of course Manning's success is attributable to UT. Look what mini-Fulmer did for the NFL career of Heath Shuler. Remind me again when his induction into Canton takes place.
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Ummm, news flash - Heath was taken 3rd in the 94 draft. He made millions as a pro and after injury went on to be financially and politically successful after football.

Try again?
 
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UT IE 95 said:
Take a similar situation, Chris Simms. If he had stayed at UT (the real one) for four years under Cut, he would be a better QB today.

If PM had been coached by any other QB coach, his career would have been different. He would still be successful based on his character, but I think his experience and learning at UT made PM what he is today. Much like everyone can say about their time on the hill.

PM agrees with this, which is why he returns to UT often, supports the program, and told EA to shut up and do whatever Cut tells him to do.

Thus, PM is who he is today because of his four years in Knoxville. (ever see the movie Sliding Doors?)
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dumbest theory ever. last time i checked, texas isn't having any trouble creating successful qb's. you can't assume simms would've been a lot better had he came to rocky top.
 
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