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[volfanbill]

I live in the DC area, and the people I work with were all giving me a hard time about peyton not winning the big one the week before the super bowl. They know I went to Tennessee and they immediately made the associaton. Do I think the same is true of vince young and reggie bush? yes i certainly do. Do I think there is any way of proving that any of these guys is any "more associated" with their colleges than the others? No I don't.

Regardless, people know that peyton went to UT.

Big time sports fans do yes. But many of your average joes could care less and therefore don't know or at least don't remember. I guess that was the point I was making. but maybe it's a location thing. Most people here in Hampton Roads aren't locals, they are from all points of the country, down here serving in the military and most the "sports fans" i meet don't know. I have met some sports fans that are as crazy about sports as I am that know, but for the most part, the fans don't remember Peyton was a Vol, or at least associate him as a former Vol.

 

[kidbourbon]

Big time sports fans do yes. But many of your average joes could care less and therefore don't know or at least don't remember. I guess that was the point I was making. but maybe it's a location thing. Most people here in Hampton Roads aren't locals, they are from all points of the country, down here serving in the military and most the "sports fans" i meet don't know. I have met some sports fans that are as crazy about sports as I am that know, but for the most part, the fans don't remember Peyton was a Vol, or at least associate him as a former Vol.

Well, I guess we have conflicting evidence.

 

[BigPapaVol]

Big time sports fans do yes. But many of your average joes could care less and therefore don't know or at least don't remember. I guess that was the point I was making. but maybe it's a location thing. Most people here in Hampton Roads aren't locals, they are from all points of the country, down here serving in the military and most the "sports fans" i meet don't know. I have met some sports fans that are as crazy about sports as I am that know, but for the most part, the fans don't remember Peyton was a Vol, or at least associate him as a former Vol.

I suspect that most recruits would qualify as big time sports fans

 

[vader]

I suggest Peyton get power T's tattoed all over his body in places visible while he is playing.

I have an idea where he can get it done. :whistling:

 

[jakez4ut]

Big time sports fans do yes. But many of your average joes could care less and therefore don't know or at least don't remember. I guess that was the point I was making. but maybe it's a location thing. Most people here in Hampton Roads aren't locals, they are from all points of the country, down here serving in the military and most the "sports fans" i meet don't know. I have met some sports fans that are as crazy about sports as I am that know, but for the most part, the fans don't remember Peyton was a Vol, or at least associate him as a former Vol.

i kind of agree with you on this.

it depends on the people you are talking to. people like us, regardless of where they are in the country, that follow college football regularly know pretty much where any/all big time pro players went to college. then there are others that only care about pro football that not only don't know, but could care less. my father in law for example is nothing but die hard Steeler fan. he didn't know that peyton went to tn....he didn't even know that cedric wilson went to tn. why? it wasn't important to him, as long as they were in black and gold, that's all that mattered.

on the same token, he can watch another NFL game with two other NFL teams and rattle off all the former steelers on either team like he had some database in his head.

it just depends on what's important to you as a sports fan.

so i think it's safe to say that some will always know and attach that PM went to TN and there are some that don't know and don't care.

the only thing that matters that is the people need to know, will know....

 

[jakez4ut]

I suggest Peyton get power T's tattoed all over body in places visible while he is playing.

I have an idea where he can get it done. :whistling:

:lolabove: better yet, why not just trade out his colts helmet for his old TN helmet? that'd get the point across.........lol.

 

[lawgator1]

I suspect that most recruits would qualify as big time sports fans

And now we have yet again the suggestion that somewhere out there is a big time high school player who is going to choose to go to UT because Manning went there a decade ago. That's utterly silly.

 

[BigPapaVol]

And now we have yet again the suggestion that somewhere out there is a big time high school player who is going to choose to go to UT because Manning went there a decade ago. That's utterly silly.

It's far more absurd to think QB prospects don't go where there is a history of success. Cutcliffe, whom many would call Manning's mentor, is a pretty good drawing card for QBs because he coached both Mannings. Say what you'd like, but he gets to tout that in the recruiting process. Mitch Mustain very specifically stated that when he reopened his recruiting process last year. The Super Bowl win has nothing to do with it. Manning is one of the most recognizable NFL players and we use him in the process. Argue all you'd like, but that is how it is.

 

[jakez4ut]

And now we have yet again the suggestion that somewhere out there is a big time high school player who is going to choose to go to UT because Manning went there a decade ago. That's utterly silly.

no one ever said they would decide to go to TN because PM went there.

all it is suggesting is a track record for TN to show recruits. i'm sure it's no different when recruits go to FL and they hear about DW or ES etc.....

just a demonstration to them about tradition, that people that do play here do go to the NFL and oh, btw, they not only have gone to the NFL, but some are HOF's....like a Reggie White or Peyton Manning.

Like you said a couple of days ago......it's a feather in the cap. nothing more. just like showing a kid DW's heismen trophy or a NT trophy or one of the 7 SEC title rings....it all adds to the allure.

 

[lawgator1]

It's far more absurd to think QB prospects don't go where there is a history of success. Cutcliffe, whom many would call Manning's mentor, is a pretty good drawing card for QBs because he coached both Mannings. Say what you'd like, but he gets to tout that in the recruiting process. Mitch Mustain very specifically stated that when he reopened his recruiting process last year. The Super Bowl win has nothing to do with it. Manning is one of the most recognizable NFL players and we use him in the process. Argue all you'd like, but that is how it is.

You think that UT is currently viewed as having a history of success because of Manning?!? Those Orange-tinted glasses must be really thick...

no one ever said they would decide to go to TN because PM went there.

all it is suggesting is a track record for TN to show recruits. i'm sure it's no different when recruits go to FL and they hear about DW or ES etc.....

just a demonstration to them about tradition, that people that do play here do go to the NFL and oh, btw, they not only have gone to the NFL, but some are HOF's....like a Reggie White or Peyton Manning.

Like you said a couple of days ago......it's a feather in the cap. nothing more. just like showing a kid DW's heismen trophy or a NT trophy or one of the 7 SEC title rings....it all adds to the allure.

Re-read the thread. I see at least a few people who seem to think that.

 

[jakez4ut]

Re-read the thread. I see at least a few people who seem to think that.

well if they did, i would agree with you. but i would probably expect the majority of people you asked would probably look at it as i, and others, have described.

 

[lawgator1]

well if they did, i would agree with you. but i would probably expect the majority of people you asked would probably look at it as i, and others, have described.

And I'm with you. I just view it as my solemn duty, as a Gator fan, to correct any delusions of grandeur that your UT brethren might display.

 

[jakez4ut]

Re-read the thread. I see at least a few people who seem to think that.

just did. HM was the only one that actually came out and said anything about a guy deciding to go to TN BECAUSE pm went to TN or won the SB etc....

there were numerous others including myself that have basically been saying the same things over and over......it adds to tradition, it puts "a feather in the cap", etc....

and even HM came back and reiterated what he said to what he meant...which was more in line with what all of us have been saying, you, me and all the others included.

so to sum up...Peyton went to TN, he won a SB and, shocker, that will be brought up from time to time when a guy is being recruited by TN.:salute:

 

[jakez4ut]

And I'm with you. I just view it as my solemn duty, as a Gator fan, to correct any delusions of grandeur that your UT brethren might display.

we have hat vol, Hillbilly, Oklavol and VIA (and sometimes myself) available to police our own, thank you!

 

[BigPapaVol]

LG,

I'm not talking about team success and you know it. (but now that you mention, the last 6 or 7 recruiting classes got to see a UT Sears trophy that showed more recent success than UF's trophy would have suggested.) QB recruits certainly view him as a success and translate some of that over to Cutcliffe. If Leak were anywhere near the same caliber of football player, you might find he could be the same type of benefit. Unfortunately, he was more of a Dilfer type in your championship run and your fans treated him like a stepchild for the entirety of his career.

 

[volmanjr]

You think that UT is currently viewed as having a history of success because of Manning?!? Those Orange-tinted glasses must be really thick...






Re-read the thread. I see at least a few people who seem to think that.

Why do you care what a few people think?

 

[volinbham]

This thread makes my head hurt but here's my perspective.

I think PM was the best QB had at UT (at least in my life time).

He didn't beat Florida but I would contend that Florida was a better team than us during that time:

1) Spurrier was a better coach than Fulmer (probably best in the country).

2) Bob Stoops was one of the best DC's in the country.

3) Florida had equal or better talent.

4) When Tee finally beat UF it was a result of 4 or 5 turnovers by UF, Spurrier playing the QB shuffle throughout the game - QB play wasn't great for UF early in that year.

I look at it this way, which QB from UT would you say would have beaten those UF teams -- Do you really think if we had Andy Kelly we would have won and won NC's? Tee Martin? Casey Clausen?

It takes so much alignment of things to win an NC.

 

[overseasorange]

Yes, a team that won fewer SEC titles than Andy Kelly. Therefore, I could care less about him winning a Super Bowl. His resume at UT is one worshipped by stat whores. I prefer to venerate guys who beat our major rivals and put considerable hardware in the trophy case. QBs are measured by Ws and Ls. That is why Joe Montana is held in much higher esteem than Dan Marino or Dan Fouts.

Grow up and give the man his due....He won the superbowl which is more than you will ever accomplish:cray: :cray: :cray: ....

 

[patrick]

I'm sorry, I seem to recall that the thread was about hatvol's position on the issue of Manning, so sorry if I thought it relevant to point out what I thought hatvol was saying in my own answer to the question posed.

Ummm, yeah, so you might want to consider context next time before criiticzing.

As to the general principle at issue, it is painfully obvious that the question of who is the "better" quarterback (as between Manning or Martin, or as between Leak and Manning) depends on your crtieria. I happen to believe that it should be a mix of statistically-sound ability along with that certain unquantifiable ability to win in the most important circumstances.

The question that was posed before is who do you pick if you are drafting in the NFL and I said Manning, hands down. All I was saying is that it really does not matter to me, if I'm a UT fan, that I had the best and most talented quarterback in the history of history, if my team did not win the critical games. To the contrary, if I had the best players, then it irks me that we didn't win when it counted.

If you are using the ability to lead one's team to victory in the critical situation, then Leak was "better" than Manning. Its just a question of what matters to you. You can have all the first round draft picks you want -- I'll take championships over that any day.

i do not think that leak "lead" his team as well as you think.. many many times meyer brought in tebow on crucial downs or near the end zone. i saw the look on leaks face when he went to the sideline. he was ticked.....

 

[patrick]

This thread makes my head hurt but here's my perspective.

I think PM was the best QB had at UT (at least in my life time).

He didn't beat Florida but I would contend that Florida was a better team than us during that time:

1) Spurrier was a better coach than Fulmer (probably best in the country).

2) Bob Stoops was one of the best DC's in the country.

3) Florida had equal or better talent.

4) When Tee finally beat UF it was a result of 4 or 5 turnovers by UF, Spurrier playing the QB shuffle throughout the game - QB play wasn't great for UF early in that year.

I look at it this way, which QB from UT would you say would have beaten those UF teams -- Do you really think if we had Andy Kelly we would have won and won NC's? Tee Martin? Casey Clausen?

It takes so much alignment of things to win an NC.

a voice of reason and logic

 

[lawgator1]

This thread makes my head hurt but here's my perspective.

I think PM was the best QB had at UT (at least in my life time).

He didn't beat Florida but I would contend that Florida was a better team than us during that time:

1) Spurrier was a better coach than Fulmer (probably best in the country).

2) Bob Stoops was one of the best DC's in the country.

3) Florida had equal or better talent.

4) When Tee finally beat UF it was a result of 4 or 5 turnovers by UF, Spurrier playing the QB shuffle throughout the game - QB play wasn't great for UF early in that year.

I look at it this way, which QB from UT would you say would have beaten those UF teams -- Do you really think if we had Andy Kelly we would have won and won NC's? Tee Martin? Casey Clausen?

It takes so much alignment of things to win an NC.

QFT

 

[UT IE 95]

Yes, a team that won fewer SEC titles than Andy Kelly. Therefore, I could care less about him winning a Super Bowl. His resume at UT is one worshipped by stat whores. I prefer to venerate guys who beat our major rivals and put considerable hardware in the trophy case. QBs are measured by Ws and Ls. That is why Joe Montana is held in much higher esteem than Dan Marino or Dan Fouts.

Let's look at PM's Ws and Ls and what he did WHILE AT UT (this is for you LG). Of course there are no big wins in his 39.

He became Tennessee's all-time leading passer with 11,201 yards, 863 completions and 89 touchdowns, while compiling a 39-6 record as a starter, setting an SEC record for career wins (although Georgia's David Greene would set a new record of 42 wins in 2005). In his college career, he threw only 33 interceptions in 1,381 attempts, an NCAA record for best all-time interception percentage. He was 3-1 in his four bowl appearances. He completed his degree in three years, a BA in speech communication with a 3.61 GPA and Phi Beta Kappa honors, and was projected to be the top overall pick in the NFL Draft but returned to Tennessee for his senior year. In his senior season, Manning threw for 3,819 yards and 36 touchdowns, lead the Vols to the SEC title. Manning received the 1997 James E. Sullivan Award as the top amateur athlete in the United States.

 

[lawgator1]

Let's look at PM's Ws and Ls and what he did WHILE AT UT (this is for you LG). Of course there are no big wins in his 39.

He became Tennessee's all-time leading passer with 11,201 yards, 863 completions and 89 touchdowns, while compiling a 39-6 record as a starter, setting an SEC record for career wins (although Georgia's David Greene would set a new record of 42 wins in 2005). In his college career, he threw only 33 interceptions in 1,381 attempts, an NCAA record for best all-time interception percentage. He was 3-1 in his four bowl appearances. He completed his degree in three years, a BA in speech communication with a 3.61 GPA and Phi Beta Kappa honors, and was projected to be the top overall pick in the NFL Draft but returned to Tennessee for his senior year. In his senior season, Manning threw for 3,819 yards and 36 touchdowns, lead the Vols to the SEC title. Manning received the 1997 James E. Sullivan Award as the top amateur athlete in the United States.

These are the things I would want you to highlight as a fan of your team, not that 10 years later he won the Super Bowl, or rescued a baby from a burning house, or drove at or under the speed limit for three whole days.

 

[jakez4ut]

6 losses. 3 to Florida, 1 to Memphis, 1 to Nebraska.....1 to bama? i guess he started the 94 bama game...right?

 

[jakez4ut]

These are the things I would want you to highlight as a fan of your team, not that 10 years later he won the Super Bowl, or rescued a baby from a burning house, or drove at or under the speed limit for three whole days.

i'll send a letter to Mike Hamilton and the Alumni board...........k: