Still waiting for Hatevol

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volfanbill said:
neither are ok. correct. in kelly's time bama was the team to beat. in manning's time, florida was the team to beat. it's regardless though. bottom line is the super bowl win did nothing meaningful for UT football. just peyton's legacy.
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no queston about FLorida being the team to beat........but you can't deny how big a deal it was when we finaly beat Bama.........i'll never forget that night.

as to the legacy........that is exactly it. i agree 100%.:thumbsup:
 
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lawgator1 said:
The irony is that, notwithstanding his motivation of hating the Gators, I completely agree with hatvol that Manning's UT resume is missing the big accomplishments. Since the SB, I have repeatedly posted here that 1) I don't consider Marino to be a great QB because he failed to lead his team to what counted, victories in key situations; and 2) that Manning's winning the SB this year does not translate into anything particularly meaningful as UT goes.

While I'm at it, to me Marino was the beginning of the slide for the Dolphins. It might not be accurate to blame it on him, but his arrival and transcendence to the top of the QB heap while at Miami also happens to be the point at which their decline to what is best described now as a big pile of mushy mediocrity, began.
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I'd put Manning's UT resume up against Chrissy's anyday, yeah I know he won the NC but he had to have Teabag carry him for the short yards where he was afraid of taking a hit. If the 2 of them were in the draft at the same time and you had the 1st pick which one would you really choose there gator boy.
 
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volmanjr said:
I'd put Manning's UT resume up against Chrissy's anyday, yeah I know he won the NC but he had to have Teabag carry him for the short yards where he was afraid of taking a hit. If the 2 of them were in the draft at the same time and you had the 1st pick which one would you really choose there gator boy.
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If I were drafting for the NFL, I'd take Manning about 20 million picks before I took Leak.

But if I want guys that delivered victories to me in college, including over rivals and in the most key situation of all, I take Leak.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Yes, a team that won fewer SEC titles than Andy Kelly. Therefore, I could care less about him winning a Super Bowl. His resume at UT is one worshipped by stat whores. I prefer to venerate guys who beat our major rivals and put considerable hardware in the trophy case. QBs are measured by Ws and Ls. That is why Joe Montana is held in much higher esteem than Dan Marino or Dan Fouts.
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I think most sportswriters have it as:

Marino > Montana > Fouts
 
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lawgator1 said:
If I were drafting for the NFL, I'd take Manning about 20 million picks before I took Leak.

But if I want guys that delivered victories to me in college, including over rivals and in the most key situation of all, I take Leak.
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that would be funny if you wasn't serious.
 
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lawgator1 said:
If I were drafting for the NFL, I'd take Manning about 20 million picks before I took Leak.

But if I want guys that delivered victories to me in college, including over rivals and in the most key situation of all, I take Leak.
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Yeah Ok:crazy:
 
#35
#35
lawgator1 said:
If I were drafting for the NFL, I'd take Manning about 20 million picks before I took Leak.

But if I want guys that delivered victories to me in college, including over rivals and in the most key situation of all, I take Leak.
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Your theory has a leak:)
 
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lawgator1 said:
If I were drafting for the NFL, I'd take Manning about 20 million picks before I took Leak.

But if I want guys that delivered victories to me in college, including over rivals and in the most key situation of all, I take Leak.
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yep...those national titles have made you goofy.
 
#39
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lawgator1 said:
If I were drafting for the NFL, I'd take Manning about 20 million picks before I took Leak.

But if I want guys that delivered victories to me in college, including over rivals and in the most key situation of all, I take Leak.
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This is the same guy that all UF faithful wanted to bench for the entirety of his senior season. You, too, have to be giggling as you write stuff like that.
 
#40
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hatvol96 said:
Yes, a team that won fewer SEC titles than Andy Kelly. Therefore, I could care less about him winning a Super Bowl. His resume at UT is one worshipped by stat whores. I prefer to venerate guys who beat our major rivals and put considerable hardware in the trophy case. QBs are measured by Ws and Ls. That is why Joe Montana is held in much higher esteem than Dan Marino or Dan Fouts.
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and who is beating the Vols rivals now?????????? not the Vols that's for **** sure. and Florida is only a major rival in recent history. I seem to remember the Vols laying the wood a few times to Bama during the Peyton years.
 
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patrick said:
and who is beating the Vols rivals now?????????? not the Vols that's for **** sure. and Florida is only a major rival in recent history. I seem to remember the Vols laying the wood a few times to Bama during the Peyton years.
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yeah.....it amazes me when people forget that when we beat bama way back when it was a big deal.

now it would probably be a bigger deal if Bama had actually been good since then, but they've fallen off and hell, everyone since Peyton has beaten Bama....so...................i guess that's why that's easily forgotten sometimes.

and it's not up for debate that Florida was the team to beat while he was in school...all those SEC titles and national title they won while he was here really overshadowed everything else.
 
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I'm sorry, I keep forgetting that Peyton Manning singlehandledly battled Florida's entire offense, defense, special teams, bench, and Darth Visor himself. For some reason, I keep recalling that there were other UT players on the field for those games besides Manning, but obviously my memory isn't what it used to be.

Tee Martin "won" a National Title. Does that mean that Tee Martin is the best UT quarterback since Hank Lauricella and the single wing days? Uh, no.

Thanks for playing.
 
#44
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lawgator1 said:
I would never put words in his mouth, but I think hatvol is with me on this.
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so? hatvol's opinion not withstanding, what difference does it make if he's with you or not? do you need his validation or something? must be a lawyer thing, or do you just look up to him that much?
 
#45
#45
jakez4ut said:
so? hatvol's opinion not withstanding, what difference does it make if he's with you or not? do you need his validation or something? must be a lawyer thing, or do you just look up to him that much?
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I'm sorry, I seem to recall that the thread was about hatvol's position on the issue of Manning, so sorry if I thought it relevant to point out what I thought hatvol was saying in my own answer to the question posed.

Ummm, yeah, so you might want to consider context next time before criiticzing.

As to the general principle at issue, it is painfully obvious that the question of who is the "better" quarterback (as between Manning or Martin, or as between Leak and Manning) depends on your crtieria. I happen to believe that it should be a mix of statistically-sound ability along with that certain unquantifiable ability to win in the most important circumstances.

The question that was posed before is who do you pick if you are drafting in the NFL and I said Manning, hands down. All I was saying is that it really does not matter to me, if I'm a UT fan, that I had the best and most talented quarterback in the history of history, if my team did not win the critical games. To the contrary, if I had the best players, then it irks me that we didn't win when it counted.

If you are using the ability to lead one's team to victory in the critical situation, then Leak was "better" than Manning. Its just a question of what matters to you. You can have all the first round draft picks you want -- I'll take championships over that any day.
 
#46
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lawgator1 said:
I'm sorry, I seem to recall that the thread was about hatvol's position on the issue of Manning, so sorry if I thought it relevant to point out what I thought hatvol was saying in my own answer to the question posed.

Ummm, yeah, so you might want to consider context next time before criiticzing.

As to the general principle at issue, it is painfully obvious that the question of who is the "better" quarterback (as between Manning or Martin, or as between Leak and Manning) depends on your crtieria. I happen to believe that it should be a mix of statistically-sound ability along with that certain unquantifiable ability to win in the most important circumstances.

The question that was posed before is who do you pick if you are drafting in the NFL and I said Manning, hands down. All I was saying is that it really does not matter to me, if I'm a UT fan, that I had the best and most talented quarterback in the history of history, if my team did not win the critical games. To the contrary, if I had the best players, then it irks me that we didn't win when it counted.

If you are using the ability to lead one's team to victory in the critical situation, then Leak was "better" than Manning. Its just a question of what matters to you. You can have all the first round draft picks you want -- I'll take championships over that any day.
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touchy touchy........:)
 
#47
#47
lawgator1 said:
I'm sorry, I seem to recall that the thread was about hatvol's position on the issue of Manning, so sorry if I thought it relevant to point out what I thought hatvol was saying in my own answer to the question posed.

Ummm, yeah, so you might want to consider context next time before criiticzing.

As to the general principle at issue, it is painfully obvious that the question of who is the "better" quarterback (as between Manning or Martin, or as between Leak and Manning) depends on your crtieria. I happen to believe that it should be a mix of statistically-sound ability along with that certain unquantifiable ability to win in the most important circumstances.

The question that was posed before is who do you pick if you are drafting in the NFL and I said Manning, hands down. All I was saying is that it really does not matter to me, if I'm a UT fan, that I had the best and most talented quarterback in the history of history, if my team did not win the critical games. To the contrary, if I had the best players, then it irks me that we didn't win when it counted.

If you are using the ability to lead one's team to victory in the critical situation, then Leak was "better" than Manning. Its just a question of what matters to you. You can have all the first round draft picks you want -- I'll take championships over that any day.
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so you honestly believe that Leak was a primary reason FL won a NT this past year? and that Manning was the primary reason why we didn't?

gimmie a break LG. i'll take championships too. but even if i was feilding a college team and had a choice between Manning, Martin or Leak.....i'd still choose Manning..........................with our defense in 98 or your defense last year. because those are the REAL reasons both of those teams won NT's. Leak wasn't spectacular at any point in 06 except against WCU or whatever. Martin had one REALLY good game against South Carolina in 98.

Leak really looked good blocking that FG against SC, or causing those fumbles against LSU.....or holding TN to -11 yards rushing..........

yeah, leak was a great leader.....take off running on 3rd and two and slide a yard short. or better yet, put in tebow and let him get it done. jeez.... and we're the homers....ok.
 
#48
#48
jakez4ut said:
so you honestly believe that Leak was a primary reason FL won a NT this past year? and that Manning was the primary reason why we didn't?

gimmie a break LG. i'll take championships too. but even if i was feilding a college team and had a choice between Manning, Martin or Leak.....i'd still choose Manning..........................with our defense in 98 or your defense last year. because those are the REAL reasons both of those teams won NT's. Leak wasn't spectacular at any point in 06 except against WCU or whatever. Martin had one REALLY good game against South Carolina in 98.

Leak really looked good blocking that FG against SC, or causing those fumbles against LSU.....or holding TN to -11 yards rushing..........

yeah, leak was a great leader.....take off running on 3rd and two and slide a yard short. or better yet, put in tebow and let him get it done. jeez.... and we're the homers....ok.
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Yes, Leak is one of the main reasons we won the NT this year. No, Manning was not a main reason you did not win one during his tenure. But that means I can still pick Leak for winning the big one, right? That's all I'm saying.

Let me ask you, who was the "best" QB at Tennessee? And why?
 
#49
#49
I concur with Jake. LG, your posts are usually reasonable. But, here, your argument is bordering on frivolous.
 
#50
#50
lawgator1 said:
Yes, Leak is one of the main reasons we won the NT this year. No, Manning was not a main reason you did not win one during his tenure. But that means I can still pick Leak for winning the big one, right? That's all I'm saying.

Let me ask you, who was the "best" QB at Tennessee? And why?
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my personal favorite is Andy Kelly, but not because of any stats or championships(he never won a NT either, but did win one outright SEC title and one co championship). the guy was gutsy and was exciting to watch.

the "best" was probably peyton.....for all the obvious reasons.

i look at it like this....just from the technical aspects of being a qb, it's hard to argue that any one was better......and he did win an SEC championship.

Martin got the NT, but i can't honestly sit here and tell you that he was "better" than manning. He was better at something...he was a better athelete, but a better qb? can't do it.
 
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