Starters That Kiffin Recruited

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#429
SGMVols said:
UNC had 9 players drafted this year. They went 8-5.
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That's one year. Give me the name of the guy who's done it two years consecutively.

Don't worry, I'm not going to hold my breath. The ducking, dodging, and evasion in this thread would make a SERE instructor proud.
 
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tvolsfan said:
I love how this debate has evolved into a discussion comparing two awful quarterbacks, neither of which are good enough to start for the Vols.
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And one of those QBs will be drafted this year.

:eek:lol:

Keep it coming Kiffin Kiddies. This has been the most entertaining (and exposing) thread of the last two years bar none.

Y'all keep lowering the bar on the nadir. Classic.
 
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justingroves said:
Really?

A statue in the pocket is still a statue.

At least Simms has enough arm to air the ball out. He also hasn't quit and went home yet once he got beaten out.

It's amazing to me that you can tell, by watching Coleman look miserable against Vandy and being a pretty bad QB at UTC, that he could be better than Simms.

Simms is far from good but so is Coleman. I would much rather take the guy that doesn't take his ball and go home when he doesn't get his way than the titty baby.
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Wow, you might make some coin if you get your information to the NFL scouts who have really been suckered and don't know what to look for.

Remind them how great you said the 2009 class was too!

Get in there. Hustle.
 
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govols182 said:
Daniel Hood
Marsalis Teague
J Schofield
Tyler Bray
Channing Fugate
Zach Fulton
Jawuan James
Michael Palardy

Won't count J Smith since he was originally committed to Fulmer.
Won't count J Hunter since he committed to Dooley, but the word was Kiffin had already switched him.


That's 8 out of 24 starters. 1/3 of our team. He missed on a bunch of guys, but he got these players too.

Fulmer recruited these starters:

Willie Bohannon
Austin Johnson
Herman Lathers would be a starter if he wasn't injured.
Tauren Poole
Pre Waggner
Dallas Thomas

We will count this as 5, since Lathers is injured.

Dooley's recruited these starters:

Da'Rick Rogers
Mychal Rivera
Brent Brewer
Justin Coleman
Curt Maggitt
AJ Johnson
James Stone
Matt Darr

Totals to 8. Kiffin recruited the same amount of starter than Dooley in less time. Just wanted to point that out. I'm not a negavol for posting truth and I'm not a fan of Kiffin, just posting facts for the naysayers.
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Kiffin's remaining players are Juniors now, would expect that they should be making a contribution to the roster.

Bohannon is not a starter, but if you want to explode this out to the 2 deep and expected contributors, the numbers would shift to Dooley.
 
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crusse10 said:
Going from Louisville, to JUCO, to Tennessee is a natural progression. Oh, and he didn't leave JUCO for Tennessee. He finished JUCO, then came to Tennessee.

Going from Tennessee to Chattanooga is pathetic.
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Will Coleman be cashing bigger checks than you next year? Why do you keep dodging the simple question?

Coleman didn't quit. From the sounds of it, he did exactly what Poole did, except Poole waited out Kiffin, and Coleman went to find PT ASAP, and felt he deserved it (evidently, so did Clawson).

And now his career prospects look far better than yours, I'm willing to bet.

I'm surprised y'all have already cornered yourself on this issue. Basically, y'all have said Fulmer is Right as Rain, and actually, it's a fair point to criticize him on IMHO.
 
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VolinDawgland said:
A distinction without a difference. He was no longer wanted at UL and had no future there. Quit, kicked-off, whatever he had little real choice.
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I didn't make the distinction.

Originally Posted by justingroves
He didn't quit he got kicked out. There's a difference
 
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#439
VegasVol said:
Coleman is on top-10 NFL watch lists for being drafted next season. Let's see how Bray does against real competition this year.

FYI: Your boy's favorite QB, Jesse Scroggins, is now 4th string at USC.
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These debates are incredibly silly. I'd love to have Coleman on the team, not sure who would be starting between Coleman and Bray but I think we'd be better with him, but he's not here. Hope he makes to the NFL. Hope Bray makes it to the NFL.
 
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utgibbs said:
Will Coleman be cashing bigger checks than you next year? Why do you keep dodging the simple question?

Coleman didn't quit. From the sounds of it, he did exactly what Poole did, except Poole waited out Kiffin, and Coleman went to find PT ASAP, and felt he deserved it (evidently, so did Clawson).

And now his career prospects look far better than yours, I'm willing to bet.

I'm surprised y'all have already cornered yourself on this issue. Basically, y'all have said Fulmer is Right as Rain, and actually, it's a fair point to criticize him on IMHO.
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crusse10 said:
How do you feel about Fulmer going 5-6 with 20 NFL players on his team?
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2005 was absolutely tragic, especially given the outstanding defense we fielded that year. A perfect storm underlined by a sophomore NFL QB in vapor lock.

Let us hope Bray can manage the sophomore jitters. Wouldn't it be great to have Coleman if he can't? (Of course, Coleman would be the starter, but that's beside the point).

Now, quit evading. Quit ducking and dodging.
 
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I think Kiffin is a punk but Gibbs and Vegas live in fantasy land. BJ Coleman does not have an NFL arm. Not even close. And no, I am almost certain he wouldn't be starting now had he stayed. Calling Crompton an NFL QB is a stretch as well. He will never see the field and it's a long shot if he can even make the opening day roster.

Gibbs and Vegas are still soothing their wounds over Fulmer running the program into the ground. They and people like them CANNOT accept the FACT that Fulmer was no better than mediocre over the last decade of his tenure and showed no signs of being able to rebuild the team. You know why he couldn't rebuild the team? He didn't know how to do it. Had never done it before and was too hard headed to listen to others about his underperforming staff.

Just ask Gibbs or Vegas why Fulmer wasn't courted for any of the high profile openings since his firing. If he were as great as they say, it would have already happened. The truth is(which Gibbs and Vegas cannot face) is that Fulmer was no better than an average coach and one of the luckier individuals of all time in that he inherited a LOADED roster and didn't have to rebuild the team. Too bad he didn't leave anywhere near the level he got it
 
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GAVol said:
so did Joey Matthews, Sterling Hilton and Randy Sanders.
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I think Sterling Hilton was a BYU QB.

If Sterling Henton is who you meant, I refer again to those with living memory of another era, and those who don't. In fact, the "why Sterling and not Andy" debate would be another great Fulmer aside.
 
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BelAirVol said:
I think Kiffin is a punk but Gibbs and Vegas live in fantasy land. BJ Coleman does not have an NFL arm. Not even close. And no, I am almost certain he wouldn't be starting now had he stayed. Calling Crompton an NFL QB is a stretch as well. He will never see the field and it's a long shot if he can even make the opening day roster.
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Genius:

Pre-season Scouting Report: B.J. Coleman, QB, Chattanooga Tom Melton's NFL Draft Blog

Coleman has very rare arm strength. He doesn’t have a howitzer like Ryan Mallett, but he has the ability to make every NFL throw with relative ease. I have seen him make multiple throws downfield from the right hash to the far left sideline (and left has to far right sideline) with good zip and perfect ball placement. He absolutely has a NFL arm.
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On Jonathan Crompton not being an NFL QB:

Jonathan Crompton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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utgibbs said:
One is a senior about to be an NFL draftee after his senior campaign.

One is an untested sophomore, who everyone last year wanted to redshirt (not unreasonably) because he was "too skinny."
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Everyone is a very broad term.
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BelAirVol said:
I think Kiffin is a punk but Gibbs and Vegas live in fantasy land. BJ Coleman does not have an NFL arm. Not even close.
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He's already on various mock draft boards as an NFL prospect for 2012; we'll see if he gets drafted or makes a roster, or not. Either way, I'd rather have him & Bray than Bray & Simms.

BelAirVol said:
Calling Crompton an NFL QB is a stretch as well.
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He's made 2 NFL rosters. He may not be a starter, or see snaps in the NFL, and I don't think he will, but he was a solid pro-style QB who is one of the very few high school and college players to get an NFL paycheck 2 years in a row. Fulmer's mistake was an offense that didn't fit him; it wasn't a mistake to recruit him.

BelAirVol said:
They and people like them CANNOT accept the FACT that Fulmer was no better than mediocre over the last decade of his tenure and showed no signs of being able to rebuild the team.
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What you CANNOT accept is the FACT that we are a WORSE team since Fulmer's firing.

BelAirVol said:
You know why he couldn't rebuild the team? He didn't know how to do it. Had never done it before.
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What la-la land are you living in? Fulmer never had bad back-to-back seasons in his entire career and had proven his ability to rebound again (1995) and again (2001) and again (2003) and again (2006). Any average or poor season was followed up by a good season -- every time.

And as for how great Tennessee was before Fulmer took over the offense and recruiting, do tell -- what was Tennessee football from 1974 to 1988? Because that's my definition of mediocre, sports journalists' definition of mediocre, and and win/loss definitions of mediocre. In fact, it should be familiar to you now, because it's what we've been since his firing.
 
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