obama or carter?

#27
#27
4 worst presidents:

1. Wilson
2. FDR
3. Lincoln
4. Bush II

All 4 were unable to avoid costly war. All 4 greatly expanded the power of the executive. All 4 infringed on civil liberties. All 4 undermined the free market. All 4 ignored constitutional bounds. Etc.
 
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nbakerld said:
4 worst presidents:

1. Wilson
2. FDR
3. Lincoln
4. Bush II

All 4 were unable to avoid costly war. All 4 greatly expanded the power of the executive. All 4 infringed on civil liberties. All 4 undermined the free market. All 4 ignored constitutional bounds. Etc.
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I despise fdrs social agenda but he was top notch war time leader. he was literally on his death bed but knew he had to run for president for the sake of the war effort....i admire that greatly, no modern democeat would dream of sych sacrufice
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OrangeEmpire said:
I dont know if lincoln had the choice to avoid war.........
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There's always a choice. Why wouldn't he have a choice? He didn't HAVE to maintain the Union. He didn't HAVE to initiate the next 8 engagements after nobody was killed at Sumter.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
I despise fdrs social agenda but he was top notch war time leader. he was literally on his death bed but knew he had to run for president for the sake of the war effort....i admire that greatly, no modern democeat would dream of sych sacrufice
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He picked a side, and became an economic ally to the Allies. If we don't sanction Japan, we don't get attacked. I really doubt that he wanted to keep us out of WWII (like he promised) in light of the Rainbow 5 plans.

Also, Japanese internment was beyond idiotic.
 
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nbakerld said:
There's always a choice. Why wouldn't he have a choice? He didn't HAVE to maintain the Union. He didn't HAVE to initiate the next 8 engagements after nobody was killed at Sumter.
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didnt have to maintain the union?

I smell a southern mystique fan
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nbakerld said:
He picked a side, and became an economic ally to the Allies. If we don't sanction Japan, we don't get attacked. I really doubt that he wanted to keep us out of WWII (like he promised) in light of the Rainbow 5 plans.
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of course we would have been attacked, probably by germany with a nuclear weapon. hitler and tojo planned to arrack us, just 5 yrs too early
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OrangeEmpire said:
didnt have to maintain the union?

I smell a southern mystique fan
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Why does he have to maintain the Union? Why do 600,000 Americans have to die to maintain a Union people don't want to be part of? The union is supposedly made up of voluntary parts? There is nothing inherently good about the size of the Union. "Maintaining the union" is nothing more than a nationalistic objective to ensure American exceptionalism. Contraction is not what makes nations great in the annals of history.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
of course we would have been attacked, probably by germany with a nuclear weapon. hitler and tojo planned to arrack us, just 5 yrs too early
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You think Germany would attack us if we were trading with them? Are you sure about that? Do you know what the Allied Powers had in common prior to WWII? They all sanctioned Germany.
 
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nbakerld said:
Why does he have to maintain the Union? Why do 600,000 Americans have to die to maintain a Union people don't want to be part of? The union is supposedly made up of voluntary parts? There is nothing inherently good about the size of the Union. "Maintaining the union" is nothing more than a nationalistic objective to ensure American exceptionalism. Contraction is not what makes nations great in the annals of history.
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lol

southern mystique all the way!
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nbakerld said:
You think Germany would attack us if we were trading with them? Are you sure about that? Do you know what the Allied Powers had in common prior to WWII? They all sanctioned Germany.
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beyond a shadow of doubt, hitler planned to nuke the east coast in 46 or 47........hitler admonished japanese leadership through political channels all documented
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OrangeEmpire said:
beyond a shadow of doubt, hitler planned to nuke the east coast in 46 or 47........hitler admonished japanese leadership through political channels all documented
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Source?

And actually Hitler had forbidden Japan from attacking the US while they had a presence in the Philippines. Japan didn't listen because they were so desperate for rubber.
 
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nbakerld said:
The "LOL" argument serves you well.

Maybe you should make an argument as to why 600,000 Americans needed to die.
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sure, the confederacy had no legitimate right of seccession.....the fault is the souths
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OrangeEmpire said:
sure, the confederacy had no legitimate right of seccession.....the fault is the souths
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So 600,000 people die because the South broke an unwritten law?

Amendment X says they were within their constitutional rights.
 
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naked why dont u look up the axis alliance mtgs in 1936 and 1939......help u out a whole lot..........
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nbakerld said:
There's always a choice. Why wouldn't he have a choice? He didn't HAVE to maintain the Union. He didn't HAVE to initiate the next 8 engagements after nobody was killed at Sumter.
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Losing half the country would make any president's tenure a failure.
 
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