Defending Fulmer

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#101
PennVol said:
When you saw Fulmer's record against Saban, Meyer, Miles, Richt, Tubberville, and Spurrier the case for defending him becomes insane.
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I agree completely. Once the rest of the SEC "caught up", got better, and figured out all of Fulmer's strategies, we were winning less "big games". It got old really fast. Eventually it's time for a change.

Besides, this conversation is dead already. Let's focus on the future.
 
#102
#102
utvolpj said:
thanks for finally understanding. UT football is now able to stop digging and start climbing out of the hole left by Fulmer. Unfortunately it's a very deep hole but we're on our way out and may eventually see the sun again
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fulmer=pothole

kiffen=crater

change for the sake of change=stupidity
 
#103
#103
[Brave Volunteer said:
You've got your years mixed up. Air Force was 2006. Wyoming was 2008.
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You are correct it was UAB in 2005 we just barely escaped 17-10. I was just using that as an example of the poor coaching the entire season, it wasn't Hammys fault we lost to WY.
 
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#104
#104
posivol said:
fulmer=pothole

kiffen=crater

change for the sake of change=stupidity
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Yes, CPF was removed just for the sake of change. It had nothing to do with his two very recent losing seasons, or the fact that he had failed to bring any hardware to Thr Hill in close to a decade.
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#105
#105
theFallGuy said:
I agree completely. Once the rest of the SEC "caught up", got better, and figured out all of Fulmer's strategies, we were winning less "big games". It got old really fast. Eventually it's time for a change.

Besides, this conversation is dead already. Let's focus on the future.
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Winning "less" big games is better than winning "no" big games isnt it?
 
#107
#107
Big Orange 1 said:
Winning "less" big games is better than winning "no" big games isnt it?
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One thing the Fulmer supporters don't look hard enough at is that we weren't just losing those big games, we weren't even being competitive. We were getting an absolute mud hole stomped in our asses near the end of Fulmer's tenure and THAT is what irked me more than anything else. It's one thing to lose hard fought battles that come down to the end. It's another to look like you don't even belong on the field and that's how we started looking against the better SEC schools. That is attributed to either a huge discrepancy in talent or a huge discrepancy in the quality of coaching/development. Either way, it was time for CPF to step down.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
One thing the Fulmer supporters don't look hard enough at is that we weren't just losing those big games, we weren't even being competitive. We were getting an absolute mud hole stomped in our asses near the end of Fulmer's tenure and THAT is what irked me more than anything else. It's one thing to lose hard fought battles that come down to the end. It's another to look like you don't even belong on the field and that's how we started looking against the better SEC schools. That is attributed to either a huge discrepancy in talent or a huge discrepancy in the quality of coaching/development. Either way, it was time for CPF to step down.
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07-08 vs UF and UA combined score: 159-52
09-10 vs UF and UA combined score: 107-50
 
#109
#109
UT IE 95 said:
Fulmer's time was up. Bringing in Kiffin afterwards is what has us in this crap hole position now though.
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Amen- 100% correct.

Fulmer will almost certainly eventually be admitted to CFB hall of fame. And even with the decline in his last several years, at the beginning of 2008 he still was number 1 in winng% of all NCAA active coaches with ten years experience.

Kiffin was a disaster rated by independent CFN as worst SEC hire in the ten years they examined (of any coach who actually coached a game). IMO he is worse than any of last 60 years in SEC.

The reason for Hamilton to fire Fulmer was to get an improvement - unfortanately with Kiffin he failed miserably.

I like what I see so far in DD, but it is too early to know for sure if he can ever return us to the glory years of the 90's that Fulmer led us to.
 
#110
#110
The "combined score" argument and the "one tackle away from losing to Air Force" argument are bo-bo pathetic.

Fact is we were better under Fulmer.

I will be patient with Dooley and support him all the way (even though he is cut straight from the bourgeoisie cloth and makes me long for Johnny again).

Go Vols!
 
#111
#111
utgibbs said:
The "combined score" argument and the "one tackle away from losing to Air Force" argument are bo-bo pathetic.

Fact is we were better under Fulmer.

I will be patient with Dooley and support him all the way (even though he is cut straight from the bourgeoisie cloth and makes me long for Johnny again).

Go Vols!
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we were better under Fulmer until he dragged us into the shatter. Recovering from that without a built in recruiting base will be brutal, as it has proven. Your unwillingness to recognize the hand he played in the trip to the shatter says you don't know jack about football. Maybe you and Vegas could make up more stats, pretend they're relevant and then giggle with each other about the fact that digging from the mire sucks, especially when the admin tied our hands in hiring.
 
#112
#112
utgibbs said:
The "combined score" argument and the "one tackle away from losing to Air Force" argument are bo-bo pathetic.

Fact is we were better under Fulmer.

I will be patient with Dooley and support him all the way (even though he is cut straight from the bourgeoisie cloth and makes me long for Johnny again).

Go Vols!
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You are 100% correct. Air Force going full on stupid and running a pitch on the 2PC rather than the option play that had killed us all day was no indication that Fulmer could lose to a team of lower status. Winning off a DT's interception against UAB in 2005 was another sure sign that we were unstoppable against the lowest of the low. Let's not forget our dominating 4-point win against that NIU team in 2008. And of course, that thrilling nailbiter of a game that Peyton Manning and Leonard Little nearly stole from the might Tigers of Memphis in 96. Wyoming was all on Mike Hamilton. Absolutely zero precedence.
 
#113
#113
[QUOTE/]Before 98 it was 47 years since we won a title. I just cant see how you can hate so much on a man who won a National Championship. I also agreed he needed to go im not defending he didnt. Just stating he did win a title and was not this awful coach many of you try to make he out to be.

But go on with with making fun of people who thought he was a pretty good coach.[/QUOTE]

I may get flamed for this but, lets be honest with ourselves, I usually don't get involved in these types of discussions but I think this should be noted. Arkansas doesn't have that FUBAR fumble play, Tennessee may not win that game, No NC game at all. FSU in NC was playing with a 3rd string quarterback and he threw a costly interception..TN only won that game by 7.

Look at the results of Fulmer with Cutcliff and without. I think that was a lot of his success. I don't think Fulmer was a good coach, I think his supporting staff helped make him look good a lot of the time. Just my:twocents:
 
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#114
I may get flamed for this but, lets be honest with ourselves, I usually don't get involved in these types of discussions but I think this should be noted. Arkansas doesn't have that FUBAR fumble play, Tennessee may not win that game, No NC game at all. FSU in NC was playing with a 3rd string quarterback and he threw a costly interception..TN only won that game by 7.

Look at the results of Fulmer with Cutcliff and without. I think that was a lot of his success. I don't think Fulmer was a good coach, I think his supporting staff helped make him look good a lot of the time. Just my:twocents:
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100% yes
 
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#115
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velovol said:
i wanted fulmer gone. but now a days I kinda wish he was back.
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Why, if he was here right now, with these players, do you honestly think he would do better than Dooley?

Hamilton destroyed the program via Kiffin, and that's why idc who gets that job, cause they can't be worse than Hamilton
 
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TNVolSoldier said:
FSU in NC was playing with a 3rd string quarterback and he threw a costly interception..TN only won that game by 7.
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That's such a played out excuse. That 3rd string QB was perfectly capable of beating UF that season (UF only lost 2 games that year too). I'm not sure a less mobile qb would have done much good for FSU that night either
 
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utvolpj said:
That's such a played out excuse. That 3rd string QB was perfectly capable of beating UF that season (UF only lost 2 games that year too). I'm not sure a less mobile qb would have done much good for FSU that night either
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QFT

on top of that, i'll see the chrissy winky and raise one jamal lewis
 
#118
#118
utvolpj said:
That's such a played out excuse. That 3rd string QB was perfectly capable of beating UF that season (UF only lost 2 games that year too). I'm not sure a less mobile qb would have done much good for FSU that night either
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Can't say I didn't see this one coming. I was just making a point, The 2nd string QB would have probably not thrown that pass, (Not whether or not he would have gotten destroyed in every other aspect of the game) and TN wasn't exactly playing a team of world beaters if you look at their schedule and the fact that they lost to NC state that year. that season was pretty much destiny and Fulmer was that years Les Miles as far as luck goes.

The much larger point I was trying to make which completely got overlooked...Fulmers supporting staff made him look good, and even they at times weren't the cream of the crop. UCLA game 08..UCLA runs same play...Same play multiple times in 1 drive (from the mouth of Norm chow) all the way down the field to score the winning TD. 08 GA game (from the players) "We knew exactly which way they were going to run with the ball, they were way too predictable". The man (Fulmer) was unable to adjust to anything out of the ordinary and near the end hired only people he thought would never threten him for his Job the way he did Majors.
 
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CountVolcula said:
He is the reason Bama fans outnumbered UT fans in Knoxville in 2008
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Beating Bama so many years, then exposing their corruption, is what got so many Bama fans to that game when they saw a chance to actually win. Now, they see it is as so automatic, they could care less.
 
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zjcvols said:
Yes, not winning a big game since 2006 for Fulmer was a definite high mark.
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I liked beating a top-5 team, and a rival to boot, by 21 in 2007; I liked beating 15th ranked South Carolina in 2007; I liked beating a good, top-20 Wisconsin team on NYD of 2008. Guess you missed those games.
 
#125
#125
VegasVol said:
I liked beating a top-5 team, and a rival to boot, by 21 in 2007; I liked beating 15th ranked South Carolina in 2007; I liked beating a good, top-20 Wisconsin team on NYD of 2008. Guess you missed those games.
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2007 had a couple of pretty low points too right?
 
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