Suck it up fair weather fans

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#101
bubba10 said:
Yea they sound real all right. If they were in the BIG 10 or PAC 10 they would not even get the chance to be LOSERS in a bowl.

Way to go hillbillies and sec rednecks. Lost two today boys. :)
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Speaking of such things, how is the Michigan deserving rematch thing going?
 
#104
#104
volswitten1 said:
I an era where coaches are graded by national championship. Fulmer is all most a legend.

Joe Paterno - 2 NC in 55 years
Fulmer - 1 NC in 15 years
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Paterno took a team that had never been nationally relevent... Fulmer took a team that was about where we are right now talent wise.
 
#105
#105
tvolsfan said:
Paterno took a team that had never been nationally relevent... Fulmer took a team that was about where we are right now talent wise.
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Yes, but Penn State has been nationally relevant for 40 years . . . That's not the point.

The point is that national championships are a horrible way of evaluating coaches because they are subjective. JoePa for instance has at least 2 undefeated seasons where he didn't win a trophy. It took guys like Bowden and Osborne 20+ years to get one.
 
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GAVol said:
Yes, but Penn State has been nationally relevant for 40 years . . . That's not the point.

The point is that national championships are a horrible way of evaluating coaches because they are subjective. JoePa for instance has at least 2 undefeated seasons where he didn't win a trophy. It took guys like Bowden and Osborne 20+ years to get one.
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I'm not quite sure I understand you, but I w ill say national championships aren't a horrible way to go.. We can't judge by conference championships here though in comparison to Penn State though.
 
#107
#107
GAVol said:
Yes, but Penn State has been nationally relevant for 40 years . . . That's not the point.

The point is that national championships are a horrible way of evaluating coaches because they are subjective. JoePa for instance has at least 2 undefeated seasons where he didn't win a trophy. It took guys like Bowden and Osborne 20+ years to get one.
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I completely agree with you 100% GA. Anyone who thinks UT should keep Fulmer due to "equity" from 1998 is not being objective.
 
#108
#108
GAVol said:
Yes, but Penn State has been nationally relevant for 40 years . . . That's not the point.

The point is that national championships are a horrible way of evaluating coaches because they are subjective. JoePa for instance has at least 2 undefeated seasons where he didn't win a trophy. It took guys like Bowden and Osborne 20+ years to get one.
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I really don't care if we ever win another MNC. It's just a popularity contest anyway. An occasional confrence championship would be nice though, or a BCS bowl game, or showing up occasionally against quality opponents.
 
#111
#111
lol. quit lying guys. if you won an SEC title and then tanked in the NC game, you would be so bummed. I don't believe for one second that you would be so elated with winning an SEC trophy that you would completely disregard the NC game.
 
#113
#113
domer said:
lol. quit lying guys. if you won an SEC title and then tanked in the NC game, you would be so bummed. I don't believe for one second that you would be so elated with winning an SEC trophy that you would completely disregard the NC game.
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An NC is just a bonus, I would be comepltely satisfied with SEC titles.
 
#114
#114
MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
I really don't care if we ever win another MNC. It's just a popularity contest anyway. An occasional confrence championship would be nice though, or a BCS bowl game, or showing up occasionally against quality opponents.
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he doesn't care... how do i know? he said: "i don't care"


edit: somehow, i don't think anyone in volnation would be satisfied with simply winning SEC titles... b/c then you would begin to feel "if we can win the SEC, why cant we win the NC?" you will always want that next level... no matter where you are (unless you are at the top... winning NC's). you guys would be just as frustrated, stuck with winning the SEC but not the big one.
 
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#115
kiddiedoc said:
A little ironic that my first post after the loss today is in a "fair-weather fans" thread, but here goes.

First, the point made early on about posters on this site not being "fair-weather" is, obviously, dead-on. "Fair-weather" means ceasing to care or changing allegiances after a team stops winning. Those who post religiously here and elsewhere are anything but that. I'm not saying that I agree with everyone all, or even most, of the time -- but everyone is free to share opinions and (yes) criticisms.

On to the game. . . . To start, this is just another ending of a season that will leave a bad taste in my mouth for a long time, a feeling that has become all too familiar. We looked unprepared and unmotivated, and, at times, poorly coached. No, Cutcliffe doesn't carry the ball, but he coaches to PROTECT it. No, Fulmer doesn't field punts, but he coaches to NOT fair-catch them on the 3. Trooper doesn't catch passes, but he coaches Meachem to. How do we make these serious mistakes on such a huge stage? How do we get a delay-of-game on 4th and 9 -- costing us a chance to make a late run at the Lions? How do we get gashed up the middle time and time again? Why can't we run the dang ball? Eventually, you have to look at the leadership of the team, because it's THEIR JOB (and they get paid an awful lot of money to do it).

Do some of us have higher expectations than getting beat (again) in a lesser bowl than we should accept by an inferior team? Yep. But I, for one, fair to see how this makes us "less" of a fan. That's like saying that Tiger being upset about missing a cut makes him less of a golfer. I would argue that the opposite is actually the case.

As I've stated multiple times, we should demand an appearance in Atlanta every 3 years, win half of those, and hit a BCS bowl at least every 5.
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Right on. We got outcoached, and it starts at the top.
 
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#117
noone is talking about participating in the NC... we are talking about winning.... specifically: winning the SEC title and the NC. I simply stated that vol fans would not be happy with winning a bunch of SEC titles with no National Championship to go along with them.... no one would. and, if you do, why would you settle for second best?
 
#118
#118
I would be happy with a season with a sec c-ship and a national title loss.
I would be upset after the title game, but it would still be a good season... i wouldn't tune out of the title game though.
 
#121
#121
domer said:
noone is talking about participating in the NC... we are talking about winning.... specifically: winning the SEC title and the NC. I simply stated that vol fans would not be happy with winning a bunch of SEC titles with no National Championship to go along with them.... no one would. and, if you do, why would you settle for second best?
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winning the East and then the SEC title is the only goal we have each year, cause it's the only thing we can control. so from that standpoint, it is the most important thing and most of us here would not look at winning a bunch of SEC titles w/out winning a national championship as a bad thing.

some years you win the SEC and you play for the NT, a lot of other years you win the SEC and that's it.

only 5 times in the past 16 years has an SEC champion played for the national title. winning the SEC doesn't guarantee you anything from a national championship standpoint.

so yes, winnning the conf. a bunch of times would be quite satisfactory.

oh, and everytime an SEC team has played for a national title they have won it, save the 95 Florida Gators who lost to Nebraska...and i don't know that if Florida had won, that they would have gotten the top spot?

in any event, winning the conf. is the most important thing.:thumbsup: but for you, since you have no conf. affiliation, i can see why a ND fan would be disappointed, esp. since it's been nearly 20 years since your last championship.:whistling:
 
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jakez4ut said:
in any event, winning the conf. is the most important thing.:thumbsup: but for you, since you have no conf. affiliation, i can see why a ND fan would be disappointed, esp. since it's been nearly 20 years since your last championship.:whistling:
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And 13 years since ND's last bowl victory.
 
#123
#123
yeah, notre dame hasn't won a bowl game or a NT in a long time... and i have been just as faithful through all the years... i don't understand how ND's lack of football success has anything to do with the disucssion. now, let's try to stay on point.


i'm just going to disagree with you, jake. i think that if you guys won the SEC 5 straight years in a row but lost all 5 bowl games in a blowout each year that you would all be very disgruntled. if you disagree, that is fine.
 
#124
#124
domer said:
yeah, notre dame hasn't won a bowl game or a NT in a long time... and i have been just as faithful through all the years... i don't understand how ND's lack of football success has anything to do with the disucssion. now, let's try to stay on point.


i'm just going to disagree with you, jake. i think that if you guys won the SEC 5 straight years in a row but lost all 5 bowl games in a blowout each year that you would all be very disgruntled. if you disagree, that is fine.
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that wasn't the original point. it was bout SEC titles and National Titles. Of course if you win the SEC you woule expect to win your bowl game, no matter what it is. and if we won 5 straight SEC titles and lost 5 straight bowl games, yes, there would be some distaste. but to win the SEC and make a national title game, no one could honestly be upset if we lost that game.

and you can disagree all you want, but you are a ND fan, and I as a tennessee fan and SEC fan, you can rest assured, that most of us here are mainly concerned with winning hte SEC first and foremost. Doing that generally means you are in the NT hunt anyway.

so i don't know that i can just take the opionion of a ND fan's take on what a particular team/conf. fanbase is when you really have no basis to form it on...i mean you are a ND fan...so what would you know about how important winning the SEC is to us????? that's not a personal shot at you, just curious as to how you can make that assumption about an entire fan base, of which you are not one.
 
#125
#125
i grew up in Tennessee... lived there for 22 years. All of my friends are Vol fans... I watched countless Vol games with them. I listened to them talk and talk about UT, and they listened to me talk about ND. I am a fan of the game... I follow more ongoings than just ND... otherwise, I wouldnt be on this board. I know that winning the SEC is important to Vol fans... or any fan of a conference team, but i believe that if UT began having success in the SEC but missed out on NT year after year, people would begin to get restless. ND fans are restless after this year, viewing at as a disappointment b/c we blew our 2 biggest games... failing to realize that we came from a 5-7 and 6-6 season. higher success demands higher expectations, and if these expectations are not met, people will become upset... just my experience.
 
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