Maze blames Craft

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big harry said:
How do you have time to spend so much of it on a message board while in law school? Just asking cause thats a ton of posts.
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I enjoy the message board, and get on it my spare time. I honestly couldn't possibly care less if you think I'm in law school or not. If you don't like what I say, hit the ignore button.
 
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LawVol13 said:
I enjoy the message board, and get on it my spare time. I honestly couldn't possibly care less if you think I'm in law school or not. If you don't like what I say, hit the ignore button.
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Definitely not. You're strangely entertaining.
 
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Weezer said:
I'm sorry, but that doesn't hold weight. There is no way they "just showed up". It's not like these guys lived in Knoxville and just happenned to know where Pearl lived. They were invited. Someone took them there. The fact that Pearl committed this same violation at UWM supports that. IF, by some magical chance, they did just show up, then Pearl demonstrated extremely poor judgement as, I've already stated, he's committed this violation before.
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Hey, the guy was just trying to help me out. It's not important to me. They knew they were committing a violation is all that I need to know, everyone involved.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
Any high profile recruit knows the rules. They break them when it works in their favor. Aaron and his dad knowingly broke a rule then decided to throw someone under the bus. Real cool.
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Fine, I concede Aaron and his dad knowingly committed a secondary violation. Did they throw Pearl under the bus? Maybe, I don't know. Can you concede that Pearl knowingly committed a major violation, thereby putting the university in the NCAA spotlights, throwing UT under the bus in the process?
 
#83
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Weezer said:
Fine, I concede Aaron and his dad knowingly committed a secondary violation. Did they throw Pearl under the bus? Maybe, I don't know. Can you concede that Pearl knowingly committed a major violation, thereby putting the university in the NCAA spotlights, throwing UT under the bus in the process?
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I can. One lost his job, the other is watching his son play in the tournament after turning states evidence. I don't like it, but it's the way of the world. I see why Maze has an issue, which is all I was trying to understand.
 
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I respect Maze's opinion, but I also realize it is not an unbiased one. Being that Pearl was his coach, I expect him to defend the man. I find nothing wrong with that. But as a UT fan, I side with the university over Pearl. I appreciate what Pearl did for our program, but he jeopardized that with his own actions. If I told my bosses a lie that put the company at risk, I have no doubt I would be fired, whether I came clean or not.
 
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vol66 said:
I can. One lost his job, the other is watching his son play in the tournament after turning states evidence. I don't like it, but it's the way of the world. I see why Maze has an issue, which is all I was trying to understand.
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By NCAA bylaws, using Maze's analogy, Craft stole a Snickers, Pearl robbed a bank. You don't see it that way. I get it. But coaches have to follow NCAA guidelines and Pearl knew he was jumping from a minor infraction to a major one by telling that lie. If he hadn't lied, he'd still be our coach. But you can't unring the bell.
 
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LawVol13 said:
I'm in law school. Never pretended to be anything that I'm not nor do I think it makes me any more qualified on any subject than any of the rest of you guys. Simply a screen name. Get over it.
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This was a weird response.
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Weezer said:
I respect Maze's opinion, but I also realize it is not an unbiased one. Being that Pearl was his coach, I expect him to defend the man. I find nothing wrong with that. But as a UT fan, I side with the university over Pearl. I appreciate what Pearl did for our program, but he jeopardized that with his own actions. If I told my bosses a lie that put the company at risk, I have no doubt I would be fired, whether I came clean or not.
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Weezer said:
By NCAA bylaws, using Maze's analogy, Craft stole a Snickers, Pearl robbed a bank. You don't see it that way. I get it. But coaches have to follow NCAA guidelines and Pearl knew he was jumping from a minor infraction to a major one by telling that lie. If he hadn't lied, he'd still be our coach. But you can't unring the bell.
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Maze is talking about social justice. They let the kids in, they treated them well. Craft went somewhere else, then after they whacked them, Craft whussed.

I agree that Pearl should have known better, and I think him getting fired is the "social" punishment most coaches get in the same position.

Maze is not defending Pearl, he's accusing Craft. I just wanted to make sure I understood. I Am Not Arguing With You.
 
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Weezer said:
Fine, I concede Aaron and his dad knowingly committed a secondary violation. Did they throw Pearl under the bus? Maybe, I don't know. Can you concede that Pearl knowingly committed a major violation, thereby putting the university in the NCAA spotlights, throwing UT under the bus in the process?
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Absolutely.
 
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vol66 said:
Maze is talking about social justice. They let the kids in, they treated them well. Craft went somewhere else, then after they whacked them, Craft whussed.

I agree that Pearl should have known better, and I think him getting fired is the "social" punishment most coaches get in the same position.

Maze is not defending Pearl, he's accusing Craft. I just wanted to make sure I understood. I Am Not Arguing With You.
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Okay, Maze is accusing Craft. Maybe the kid did it, maybe he didn't. I really don't know. If he did, it was childish. My point is, Pearl painted himself into this corner to begin with. I'm not trying to argue. I'm just having rational discussion. No name calling or such. Personally, I don't see how accusing Craft of being a rat absolves Pearl of his own crimes, or lessens them in anyway. Maybe Craft is a rat, but we know Pearl is a liar. Neither one is good, but the NCAA opinion of liars is well documented.
 
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Weezer said:
Okay, Maze is accusing Craft. Maybe the kid did it, maybe he didn't. I really don't know. If he did, it was childish. My point is, Pearl painted himself into this corner to begin with. I'm not trying to argue. I'm just having rational discussion. No name calling or such. Personally, I don't see how accusing Craft of being a rat absolves Pearl of his own crimes, or lessens them in anyway. Maybe Craft is a rat, but we know Pearl is a liar. Neither one is good, but the NCAA opinion of liars is well documented.
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It is totally cool. Pearl deserves no absolution. I was trying to understand Maze's comments. That is all. With the help of one poster on VN, i think I understand, a little bit better. I'm not saying the Crafts are rats. I'm just trying to understand why someone else in that sport, of that generation, MIGHT. as in i do not know, but maybe that's it...etc...peace.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
I've asked the same question. He strangely has no problem advertising being a law student, but clams up on the details.

Strangely entertaining indeed.
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I've already told you I don't care a bit to talk law school; just shoot me a PM; I'm just not going to broadcast it on the board mainly because I don't think anyone cares nor should they. Strangely, I've never received the PM.
 
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vol66 said:
It is totally cool. Pearl deserves no absolution. I was trying to understand Maze's comments. That is all. With the help of one poster on VN, i think I understand, a little bit better. I'm not saying the Crafts are rats. I'm just trying to unerstand why someone else in that sport, of that generation, MIGHT. as in i do not know, but maybe that's it...etc...peace.
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All good. I see Maze's POV. Pearl was his coach. He loves the guy. There's tons of loyalty there. Easy to see with Pearl's charisma. Maze wants to defend him in some way so he points a finger at Craft. I get it. When it involves people we care for, that we have personal bonds with, there is no way to look at a situation like this without bias. I respect that Maze cares enough to speak up for his coach, I just don't agree with him.
 
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SGMVols said:
Craft didn't make Pearl lie. Place the blame where it belongs and move on.
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no he means craft reported pearl for the dinner and picture that got out ,it only happend because tennessee beat ohio state and crafts family wanted him to stay close to home and thad motta was glad to be able to beat tennessee at something.but this is just the rambelings of a very pissed ut fan which some of it is probally true but the fact is i would bet my life that 75percent or more of the collage basketball programs have illegaly recruited or paid players,uk cheated under every coach from rupp to now a man that lived a few miles from me was a uk booster and he gave me names and showed checks amounting to millions sent not to uk but to others to pay for players,counting the money he gave to uk and that went to players .he told me two years before he died names of players he paid to come to uk,plus his son got on the football team even though he wasnt good enough to play naia .true story about uk it can be told cause nothing hardly sticks to kentucy
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Weezer said:
All good. I see Maze's POV. Pearl was his coach. He loves the guy. There's tons of loyalty there. Easy to see with Pearl's charisma. Maze wants to defend him in some way so he points a finger at Craft. I get it. When it involves people we care for, that we have personal bonds with, there is no way to look at a situation like this without bias. I respect that Maze cares enough to speak up for his coach, I just don't agree with him.
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You don't get it. I'm sorry. It's not out of loyalty or care for the coach. It's a different culture and a different set of rules. A code if you will. It doesn't matter in the grand scheme, yes you are correct. I don't applaud Maze for defending his former coach. I applaud him for saying this !@#$ isin't right. It may be miniscule, I just want to understand.
 
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vol66 said:
You don't get it. I'm sorry. It's not out of loyalty or care for the coach. It's a different culture and a different set of rules. A code if you will. It doesn't matter in the grand scheme, yes you are correct. I don't applaud Maze for defending his former coach. I applaud him for saying this !@#$ isin't right. It may be miniscule, I just want to understand.
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Agree to disagree then. I do think it is his personal relationship that motivated him. I don't think he would have made his comments if this had been someone who wasn't his coach. As far as a different culture and a different set of rules, I understand what you are refering to but I also understand how fluid those rules are. I find these rules only apply when they benefit you and often don't apply when they don't support your actions or your arguements. It's all about justification. I respect Maze for standing by his coach because it is the honorable thing to do. The man is a father figure to him. You support your family. Him saying it isn't right is where I disagree with him. Pearl agreed to follow the NCAA rules. Every coach does. I'm not naive, I know almost, if not every, coach violates those rules. The difference is Pearl got caught. What happens to him is right. He knew what he was facing. He didn't walk into this blindly. Every coach knows what happens when you get caught breaking the rules. They especially know what happens when you get caught lying to the NCAA. To say it isn't right is just wrong. Actions have consequences. Pearl knew what the consequences could be and decided to take the risk. You bet $1000 on a hand of blackjack and lose, the casino isn't going to give you your money back because you say it isn't right.
 
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okay, we agree to disagree. I've seen this movie before. You disagree with eric berry too, and as far as i know, he didn't play basketball. enjoy the evening. thanks for the debate.
 
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