Where Are All The Gerald Jones Apologists Now?

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Sheik Yerbouti said:
Speculation and supposition. Blah, blah, blah. Lots of people just want to think the worst.

Let me give you a viable alternative working theory. TT didn't need GJ to say anything about UT at all. All he needed was for someone to tell the recruit, "yes, I liked playing for Trooper; he was a straight shooter." After that, TT has credibility to say whatever he wants about UTK because he's a "straight shooter" and he had first hand experience working here.

I swear to God some people get their whole self worth from crapping on other people on Internet message boards based on nothing more than idiotic gossip. LAME!
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The fact that the kid is defending his call and he claims he doesn't know how it originated is enough. He obviously is in a position that he doesn't need to be. Fine bash people for bashing him but it's a dumb spot he put himself in.
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DD4ME said:
The fact that the kid is defending his call and he claims he doesn't know how it originated is enough. He obviously is in a position that he doesn't need to be. Fine bash people for bashing him but it's a dumb spot he put himself in.
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According to GJ, all he did was answer a phone call and speak honestly to the caller. Anyone who wants to make more of it than that without specific proof is a drama queen.

Are YOU going to be a drama queen and perpetuate all this nonsense hysteria? Only you can decide.
 
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Sheik Yerbouti said:
According to GJ, all he did was answer a phone call and speak honestly to the caller. Anyone who wants to make more of it than that without specific proof is a drama queen.

Are YOU going to be a drama queen and perpetuate all this nonsense hysteria? Only you can decide.
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That being said. I am not sold on the fact that the call was a surprise.
 
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VolDad said:
How many surprise phone calls from people you don’t know (besides wrong numbers) do you get on your cell phone?
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Sometimes I get a call from someone who has been given my number by someone else. It's not out of the realm of possibility. If I were GJ, and someone called me and said, "Hi, this is Gabe Wright. Trooper Taylor asked me to call you," I guess I'd listen.
 
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Sheik Yerbouti said:
Sometimes I get a call from someone who has been given my number by someone else. It's not out of the realm of possibility. If I were GJ, and someone called me and said, "Hi, this is Gabe Wright. Trooper Taylor asked me to call you," I guess I'd listen.
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Too bad GJ said he had no idea how GW got his number.
 
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tigervol9802 said:
Too bad GJ said he had no idea how GW got his number.
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What difference does it make? If the guy said, "Hi I'm Gabe Wright and I have questions about Trooper Taylor," I'd still listen.

Honestly, have you people never made a cold call? Do you really have no idea about how to get someone to talk to you on the phone?

It seems that some folks just want to assume the worst about others because it makes them feel better about themselves.
 
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Sheik Yerbouti said:
According to GJ, all he did was answer a phone call and speak honestly to the caller. Anyone who wants to make more of it than that without specific proof is a drama queen.

Are YOU going to be a drama queen and perpetuate all this nonsense hysteria? Only you can decide.
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Again -- apparently the last witness Trooper Taylor wanted to call in making his case that Gabe Wright should pick Auburn over Tennessee was a player who had just finished his career at Tennessee. A player who had publicly said nothing but good things about Dooley, UT, etc. Do you really think there's a chance Taylor makes that conversation happen if he's not pretty sure ahead of time what Jones is likely to say?

It sure seems a little late in the game to be saying, "Hey, just so you know you can trust me, I'd like to talk to a guy who will give me a character reference....and who just happened to finish up his career at the other school you're thinking about." At the very least, Taylor had to know ahead of time that Jones wasn't going to say anything good about UT or he never would have put him on the phone with Wright.
 
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Sheik Yerbouti said:
What difference does it make? If the guy said, "Hi I'm Gabe Wright and I have questions about Trooper Taylor," I'd still listen.

Honestly, have you people never made a cold call? Do you really have no idea about how to get someone to talk to you on the phone?

It seems that some folks just want to assume the worst about others because it makes them feel better about themselves.
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Yup.

I usually get said number from a mutual acquaintance.....

Or if that acquaintance wants me to talk a specific person, he usually provides said phone number.
 
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Sheik Yerbouti said:
What difference does it make? If the guy said, "Hi I'm Gabe Wright and I have questions about Trooper Taylor," I'd still listen.

Honestly, have you people never made a cold call? Do you really have no idea about how to get someone to talk to you on the phone?

It seems that some folks just want to assume the worst about others because it makes them feel better about themselves.
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Many. “Hi, I am ______, I just want to talk with you” has never worked.

How would assuming he threw UT under the bus make someone feel better about themselves?
 
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utvolpj said:
don't agree at all on the prized recruit thing and the Fulmer cup is irrelevant
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It's not a matter of agreement but fact that a high profile DL recruit on an OV was in car when pulled over and did not choose UT. Perhaps there are many reasons why he did not choose, but there is no doubt that he wasn't going to start his career here after a legal altercation before he was even enrolled...recruitment over.

Fulmer cup is totally relevent as this was another highly publicized incident that further tarnished - or enhanced however you want to look at it - UT football as an out of control bad environment program.

I understand not piling on these rumours, but you don't need to deny some of the issues with GJ either.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Again -- apparently the last witness Trooper Taylor wanted to call in making his case that Gabe Wright should pick Auburn over Tennessee was a player who had just finished his career at Tennessee. A player who had publicly said nothing but good things about Dooley, UT, etc. Do you really think there's a chance Taylor makes that conversation happen if he's not pretty sure ahead of time what Jones is likely to say?

It sure seems a little late in the game to be saying, "Hey, just so you know you can trust me, I'd like to talk to a guy who will give me a character reference....and who just happened to finish up his career at the other school you're thinking about." At the very least, Taylor had to know ahead of time that Jones wasn't going to say anything good about UT or he never would have put him on the phone with Wright.
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It doesn't take a genius to assume that GJ could not, with a straight face, sell UT base on his experience here. It was chaos. If I were TT, I'd have told Gabe Wright to call Gerald, ask about me, and ask whether GJ felt like Tennessee has put him in the best position to showcase his skills to the pros. You could make that gamble without conspiring with GJ before hand, no problem. I'm willing to assume that GJ tried his best to paint a positive picture of UT, but it must be tough for him to pull that off given the well-known circumstances. Just because TT used GJ doesn't mean that we should assume anything negative about GJ or his motivations. Some people want to act like he sold nuke secrets to Iran, and that's just foolishness. Seriously, unless there is some hard evidence, some folks need to just get over it. Find something more productive to do than slag a kid on the Internet based on supposition.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Again -- apparently the last witness Trooper Taylor wanted to call in making his case that Gabe Wright should pick Auburn over Tennessee was a player who had just finished his career at Tennessee. A player who had publicly said nothing but good things about Dooley, UT, etc. Do you really think there's a chance Taylor makes that conversation happen if he's not pretty sure ahead of time what Jones is likely to say?

It sure seems a little late in the game to be saying, "Hey, just so you know you can trust me, I'd like to talk to a guy who will give me a character reference....and who just happened to finish up his career at the other school you're thinking about." At the very least, Taylor had to know ahead of time that Jones wasn't going to say anything good about UT or he never would have put him on the phone with Wright.
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TT taking such a chance seems at odds with everything I have heard about good recruiters.
 
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VolDad said:
TT taking such a chance seems at odds with everything I have heard about good recruiters.
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I really can't fathom telling a person I'm recruiting to work for my firm (and consequently really want to work here) to ever call a friend of mine at another firm to talk it out with them unless I knew what they would say to push them in my direction. Seems to go against all logic.
 
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Sheik Yerbouti said:
What difference does it make? If the guy said, "Hi I'm Gabe Wright and I have questions about Trooper Taylor," I'd still listen.

Honestly, have you people never made a cold call? Do you really have no idea about how to get someone to talk to you on the phone?

It seems that some folks just want to assume the worst about others because it makes them feel better about themselves.
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This sounds as much like rationalizing the kid is innocent as your up in arms that people are rationalizing he's guilty. I don't need to perpetuate anything because GJ already put out there all that most people need to know. That he miraculously received a cold call from a recruit about TT, who he praised. I'm calling BS on recruiting calls that materialize out of thin air that have a large portion of their purpose being about another teams recruiter and nothing you rationalize or post is going to offset that.
You and GJ can fein innocence but truth is the nature of that call Which GJ, again GJ explained is garbage. What he said we can debate or not debate there is little debating that it happened and the source or inspiration for the call.
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Sheik Yerbouti said:
It doesn't take a genius to assume that GJ could not, with a straight face, sell UT base on his experience here. It was chaos. If I were TT, I'd have told Gabe Wright to call Gerald, ask about me, and ask whether GJ felt like Tennessee has put him in the best position to showcase his skills to the pros. You could make that gamble without conspiring with GJ before hand, no problem. I'm willing to assume that GJ tried his best to paint a positive picture of UT, but it must be tough for him to pull that off given the well-known circumstances. Just because TT used GJ doesn't mean that we should assume anything negative about GJ or his motivations. Some people want to act like he sold nuke secrets to Iran, and that's just foolishness. Seriously, unless there is some hard evidence, some folks need to just get over it. Find something more productive to do than slag a kid on the Internet based on supposition.
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You serving up his miracle call defense is what's fueling posts on this thread. Ever considered that. You have people responding to your assumptions of innocence. They aren't making up new accusations just showing why the current ones make a lot more sense to them. Why not poll our coaches and players to see if they believe GJ is just a swell guy giving swell advice about another teams coach?
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DD4ME said:
This sounds as much like rationalizing the kid is innocent as your up in arms that people are rationalizing he's guilty. I don't need to perpetuate anything because GJ already put out there all that most people need to know. That he miraculously received a cold call from a recruit about TT, who he praised. I'm calling BS on recruiting calls that materialize out of thin air that have a large portion of their purpose being about another teams recruiter and nothing you rationalize or post is going to offset that.
You and GJ can fein innocence but truth is the nature of that call Which GJ, again GJ explained is garbage. What he said we can debate or not debate there is little debating that it happened and the source or inspiration for the call.
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I'm not rationalizing anything. I'm just pointing out that all you dum dums are assuming the worst, when the only direct evidence is also consistent with a much more flattering story to GJ. You must have some reason to want to slag the kid. Who knows? Maybe your sense of self worth is too closely tied to the UT football program. Maybe you just like criticizing others. Maybe you like drama. Whatever. Enjoy stewing in your misery.
 
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DD4ME said:
You serving up his miracle call defense is what's fueling posts on this thread. Ever considered that. You have people responding to your assumptions of innocence. They aren't making up new accusations just showing why the current ones make a lot more sense to them. Why not poll our coaches and players to see if they believe GJ is just a swell guy giving swell advice about another teams coach?
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"Miracle" call? Somehow all these pages of unchecked vitriol are my fault? Nice try, Karl Rove. Just admit that you enjoy bashing people on the Internet. It makes you feel good. Admitting you have a problem is the first step to recovery.
 
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Sheik Yerbouti said:
"Miracle" call? Somehow all these pages of unchecked vitriol are my fault? Nice try, Karl Rove. Just admit that you enjoy bashing people on the Internet. It makes you feel good. Admitting you have a problem is the first step to recovery.
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So...you enjoy bashing people that bash people on the internet? Is that what this is all about?
 
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Sheik Yerbouti said:
It doesn't take a genius to assume that GJ could not, with a straight face, sell UT base on his experience here. It was chaos. If I were TT, I'd have told Gabe Wright to call Gerald, ask about me, and ask whether GJ felt like Tennessee has put him in the best position to showcase his skills to the pros. You could make that gamble without conspiring with GJ before hand, no problem. I'm willing to assume that GJ tried his best to paint a positive picture of UT, but it must be tough for him to pull that off given the well-known circumstances. Just because TT used GJ doesn't mean that we should assume anything negative about GJ or his motivations. Some people want to act like he sold nuke secrets to Iran, and that's just foolishness. Seriously, unless there is some hard evidence, some folks need to just get over it. Find something more productive to do than slag a kid on the Internet based on supposition.
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At least publicly, Jones has said that he wishes he could start his career over with this team now. How did Taylor know that Jones wouldn't tell Wright something like, "Yeah, my career hasn't exactly gone the way I expected, but I can't say enough about the team Dooley is building here and the way he's changing the culture. Man, I envy you; I wish I could push the reset button and commit here tomorrow myself." Etc. Something like that would match up with what he said to the media, yet apparently Taylor wasn't worried that he'd say anything like that in private. Why not? At the very least Taylor must have been in recent and close enough contact with Jones to know that he wasn't going to say anything to help Tennessee.

I don't expect Jones to lie and spew out a bunch of fake rah-rah Tennessee stuff if that's not the way he feels; given the way his career here turned out, who could blame him? But I do expect him not to talk to a recruit when he realizes that a coach at the other school put him up to the phone call. When Wright said, "Hi, I'm Gabe Wright, I'm considering Tennessee and Auburn and Trooper Taylor said I should give you a call," Jones should have ejected from the conversation.
 
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