'11 MS JUCO DB Izauea Lanier (Tennessee Commit)

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abb4 said:
I agree with you chavis. Teague and Gordon get unfairly criticized. I could see Moore cracking the starting line up, but I think Lanier would be fighting for the nickel spot IMO. I think if we get Lanier and not Moore then Lanier is the nickel.
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He would start over one of the two.
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The Breakerboy said:
He would start over one of the two.
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I am not trying to dog you but you don't know how a guy will look vs SEC talent until they strap it on. Gordon and Teague are both elite talents with a year of experience. By the time they hit the field again, they will have had a year to absorb that experience, make corrections, get stronger, etc. You can never overestimate the value of high level experience for a developing player.
 
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sjt18 said:
I am not trying to dog you but you don't know how a guy will look vs SEC talent until they strap it on. Gordon and Teague are both elite talents with a year of experience. By the time they hit the field again, they will have had a year to absorb that experience, make corrections, get stronger, etc. You can never overestimate the value of high level experience for a developing player.
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I agree with you but you don't sign a JUCO guy to be a nickel back either.
 
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justingroves said:
I agree with you but you don't sign a JUCO guy to be a nickel back either.
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Absolutely not. You expect them to compete for the starting role and definitely make a contribution. Just judging from the info we have, I would say Moore and Lanier would both fit into the two deep with Brewer, Jackson, Waggner, Gordon, Teague, and "player to be named later" and get a ton of PT. That would actually be about as solid of a 2 deep group as UT has had in awhile.

However it is the norm for many on this particular forum to assume every new guy will come in and replace an old guy. In many cases, that old guy was onced a new guy expected to replace an old guy. The fact is that all of these guys have talent but few are really ready to play at a high level in the SEC. Even Berry and Jackson had struggles their first year.

Someone on another forum posted that they think AR will start at RT next year. IMHO, it would take several injuries for that to happen. It is a repeating pattern to overestimate how ready the new guys are to come in and replace someone who has played an SEC season.
 
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sjt18 said:
Absolutely not. You expect them to compete for the starting role and definitely make a contribution. Just judging from the info we have, I would say Moore and Lanier would both fit into the two deep with Brewer, Jackson, Waggner, Gordon, Teague, and "player to be named later" and get a ton of PT. That would actually be about as solid of a 2 deep group as UT has had in awhile.

However it is the norm for many on this particular forum to assume every new guy will come in and replace an old guy. In many cases, that old guy was onced a new guy expected to replace and old guy. The fact is that all of these guys have talent but few are really ready to play at a high level in the SEC. Even Berry and Jackson had struggles their first year.

Someone on another forum posted that they think AR will start at RT next year. IMHO, it would take several injuries for that to happen. It is repeating pattern to overestimate how ready the new guys are to come in and replace someone who has played an SEC season.
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This is probably one of the smartest assessments written in any of these forums. You are absolutely correct.
 
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sjt18 said:
Absolutely not. You expect them to compete for the starting role and definitely make a contribution. Just judging from the info we have, I would say Moore and Lanier would both fit into the two deep with Brewer, Jackson, Waggner, Gordon, Teague, and "player to be named later" and get a ton of PT. That would actually be about as solid of a 2 deep group as UT has had in awhile.

However it is the norm for many on this particular forum to assume every new guy will come in and replace an old guy. In many cases, that old guy was onced a new guy expected to replace and old guy. The fact is that all of these guys have talent but few are really ready to play at a high level in the SEC. Even Berry and Jackson had struggles their first year.

Someone on another forum posted that they think AR will start at RT next year. IMHO, it would take several injuries for that to happen. It is repeating pattern to overestimate how ready the new guys are to come in and replace someone who has played an SEC season.
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This is a primary reason I've never followed recruiting as closely as I have this year. There is a lot of truth to this. However, UT's roster makes for several exceptions in this paradigm.
 
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Lexvol said:
This is a primary reason I've never followed recruiting as closely as I have this year. There is a lot of truth to this. However, UT's roster makes for several exceptions in this paradigm.
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I think a newcomer can start at DT or TE. I doubt a newcomer starts in the secondary, LB, or any other O position. Opportunities in the two deep are plentiful but not so much as first game starters.
 
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sjt18 said:
I think a newcomer can start at DT or TE. I doubt a newcomer starts in the secondary, LB, or any other O position. Opportunities in the two deep are plentiful but not so much as first game starters.
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I say leave the optimists alone. Theoretically, most new players have a "chance" to start. Some actually do. So, let us dream. Plus, any recruits reading the board will be encouraged by our optimistic analysis.
 
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I think that Moore will start if we get him (and that's a big IF), but then again Moore would be starting now for USC and that's no small feat

Lanier is a dif. story, he's never played a down of college football, so I wouldn't pencil him in as the starter so quick especially considering we aren't even close to spring practice and have no idea how much Teague, Gordon, Oliver, and Waggner will develop in the off season
 
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sjt18 said:
I am not trying to dog you but you don't know how a guy will look vs SEC talent until they strap it on. Gordon and Teague are both elite talents with a year of experience. By the time they hit the field again, they will have had a year to absorb that experience, make corrections, get stronger, etc. You can never overestimate the value of high level experience for a developing player.
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They are elite talents huh? We'll see about that. I think Teague will be much improved come next season. Gordon has a longer way to go due to how aggressive he plays. It's hard to back an aggressive corner off. He jumps a lot of fakes and get's himself out of position.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
They are elite talents huh? We'll see about that. I think Teague will be much improved come next season. Gordon has a longer way to go due to how aggressive he plays. It's hard to back an aggressive corner off. He jumps a lot of fakes and get's himself out of position.
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You do understand the difference between talent, skill, and performance, don't you?

Both of those guys have elite talent. Their skills are in development. Hopefully they will become great performers.
 
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#640
Nah, neither of those guys are Elite Talents.

Elite Talent at CB is someone like Antonio Cromartie, Eric Berry, Shawn Springs, Patrick Peterson.

Size, speed, burst, quickness, strength, hand-eye , tackling, leaping ability ...


thnk of it as sorta like 5 tools baseball player... you're saying Gordon and Teague are 5 tool talents? No way good sir, No way. Teague is Alot closer than Gordon but neither are Elite talents.

we've had elite talent here at CB before thru the yrs, and neither one of them are at that level, athletically or intellectually (football)
 
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I4Jay said:
Nah, neither of those guys are Elite Talents.

Elite Talent at CB is someone like Antonio Cromartie, Eric Berry, Shawn Springs, Patrick Peterson.

Size, speed, burst, quickness, strength, hand-eye , tackling, leaping ability ...


thnk of it as sorta like 5 tools baseball player... you're saying Gordon and Teague are 5 tool talents? No way good sir, No way. Teague is Alot closer than Gordon but neither are Elite talents.

we've had elite talent here at CB before thru the yrs, and neither one of them are at that level, athletically or intellectually (football)
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Parsing terms now?
 
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I4Jay said:
Nah, neither of those guys are Elite Talents.

Elite Talent at CB is someone like Antonio Cromartie, Eric Berry, Shawn Springs, Patrick Peterson.

Size, speed, burst, quickness, strength, hand-eye , tackling, leaping ability ...


thnk of it as sorta like 5 tools baseball player... you're saying Gordon and Teague are 5 tool talents? No way good sir, No way. Teague is Alot closer than Gordon but neither are Elite talents.

we've had elite talent here at CB before thru the yrs, and neither one of them are at that level, athletically or intellectually (football)
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Wow I don't have to respond to this guy now. He's crazy calling these guys elite talents. Byron Moore has elite type of talent. Haven't seen enough of Lanier but he has more physical talent than both of them. Teague is the most talented of the two CBs if you want to look at it from a talent standpoint. Also I think Naz Oliver was a better talent than them both. We'll see what he does after the injury. Waggner plays with better instincts than the both of them he just is slow.
 
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I4Jay said:
Nah, neither of those guys are Elite Talents.

Elite Talent at CB is someone like Antonio Cromartie, Eric Berry, Shawn Springs, Patrick Peterson.

Size, speed, burst, quickness, strength, hand-eye , tackling, leaping ability ...


thnk of it as sorta like 5 tools baseball player... you're saying Gordon and Teague are 5 tool talents? No way good sir, No way. Teague is Alot closer than Gordon but neither are Elite talents.

we've had elite talent here at CB before thru the yrs, and neither one of them are at that level, athletically or intellectually (football)
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I prefer to measure the Eliteness of Elite Talents in a completely different, more Elitey way.

Punctuality, stopping ability, politeness, sense of humor, eye sight, appetite ...

These are the truly Elitiest of the Elite qualities of Elite Talents. Still, I think they could be at that Elite level, emotionally or accidentally (football).
 
#646
#646
No news on Lanier Thunder, he said he didnt commit. The VQ staff cant get him on the phone for a story.
 
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#647
jmoore_21 said:
No news on Lanier Thunder, he said he didnt commit. The VQ staff cant get him on the phone for a story.
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I have nothing to base this on, but IMO he is probably a silent. If you look back he has pretty much gave everything away to the reporter every time he is interviewed. Said we lead and that he liked us a lot. He is probably hiding out on purpose. He doesn't want to let the cat out of the bag. Could be wrong, but I hope I'm right.
 
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ORANGE & WHITE said:
I have nothing to base this on, but IMO he is probably a silent. If you look back he has pretty much gave everything away to the reporter every time he is interviewed. Said we lead and that he liked us a lot. He is probably hiding out on purpose. He doesn't want to let the cat out of the bag. Could be wrong, but I hope I'm right.
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at this juncture, he is planning an Ole Miss visit. might still be a silent, but we would just as soon he not go to Oxford
 
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LWSVOL said:
at this juncture, he is planning an Ole Miss visit. might still be a silent, but we would just as soon he not go to Oxford
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Very true. But then again he might not make it to Oxford. He cancelled the FL visit for us, but you raise a good point. Might not be a silent but has us really high up. I guess this will play out. But speculating and then finding the truth is what I like most about recruiting.
 
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