Tennessee under NCAA investigation over use of recruiting hostesses

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kiffinator13 said:
There is absolutely no way that message board talk is at all responsible for the NCAA launching a full scale investigation.
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Agree. But if they claim they have viewed the boards in their article then it is possible that could see what joevolsixpack has posted and use it as a lead if they already have something substantial to go along with it.
 
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kiffinator13 said:
There is absolutely no way that message board talk is at all responsible for the NCAA launching a full scale investigation.
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Agreed.

blueraiderfan07 said:
Well, that's what the rule is supposed to be, but they can come off as well you knew all along the only reason you took him to the game was to get him to commit to your university, blah blah blah.
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Who is advising you of this, the school?
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Oklahoma has the most in the nation, IIRC.
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I didn't think Tennessee would have the most violations. But the media have blown these out of proportion because it's Lane Kiffin and he makes storylines, etc.

Let's say the NCAA does open an investigation. They might just talk to people and as long as everyone in the athletic department is on the same page, UT will be fine.
 
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vol_freak said:
I always understood that as long as you could establish a prior relationship, then it wasn't an NCAA violation. But that doesn't sound like the case based on what you are saying.
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When I was being recruited in '02, they said the prior relationship was still in effect then. Maybe it's changed
 
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GoBigOrangeVols said:
Agree. But if they claim they have viewed the boards in their article then it is possible that could see what joevolsixpack has posted and use it as a lead if they already have something substantial to go along with it.
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The only reference to message boards in the article is by its author and it has nothing to do with the NCAA.
 
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blueraiderfan07 said:
I didn't think Tennessee would have the most violations. But the media have blown these out of proportion because it's Lane Kiffin and he makes storylines, etc.

Let's say the NCAA does open an investigation. They might just talk to people and as long as everyone in the athletic department is on the same page, UT will be fine.
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Yeah, but all it takes is one slightly different version from two people and UT is done for...
 
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blueraiderfan07 said:
I didn't think Tennessee would have the most violations. But the media have blown these out of proportion because it's Lane Kiffin and he makes storylines, etc.

Let's say the NCAA does open an investigation. They might just talk to people and as long as everyone in the athletic department is on the same page, UT will be fine.
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I don't disagree.
 
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vol_freak said:
Agreed.



Who is advising you of this, the school?
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No, I seen this happen first hand at the school I currently work at. Nothing came out of it, but my god they hammered the people to death with questions over freaking volleyball and the person took his niece to a football game, nothing to do with the sport. I rather just not do it instead of being questioned to death about stuff. But it also depends at what school your at. Being a bigger school, you have more enemies than say a small D-1 AA school.
 
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Can anybody offer a guess at how long this investigation will last and how much longer it will be a distraction for bowl practice?
 
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If it was this big of a deal, wouldn't it involve our coaches? If it did involve our coaches, I guarantee you that Hamilton wouldn't let them go around the country recruiting.
 
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vol_freak said:
The only reference to message boards in the article is by its author and it has nothing to do with the NCAA.
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Right thats what I meant. I meant the media or writers may use message boards as a source for additional rumors/leads when they get real evidence of something like this going on so that they can look into it further. IMO, the neg press that comes out of a media story like this initially is just as bad as an actual investigation by the NCAA. at least with the NCAA it will take a long time for them to report back with anything. Media people will print things at will.
 
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blueraiderfan07 said:
I would say that this would be overblown IF there weren't so many secondary violations in the past year. But now, it causes the NCAA to take a serious look into the program. But that doesn't necessarily mean anything will come out of it.
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There aren't "SO MANY" secondaries...not compared to other SEC programs as well as plenty other BCS schools. They're about average. Fulmer had more at times, but you just didn't hear about it. Ours just got spotlighted due to all the verbal jousting from Kiffin and Meyer.

I can tell you right now, Meyer must've really pissed Kiffin off with his low-class attempts to cock-block CLK while Nuke was here on an official visit on OUR dime. That is what this whole thing is about. If reporters want to dig up some juicy stuff, I suggest they go after Meyer and why he felt the need to be such an @$$, knowing full well that Nuke was with UT coaches at the UT/UF BBall game...in progress.

It may not be against NCAA rules, but it damn well ought to be. What Meyer did was tantamount to walking up to a girl and start hitting on her right in front of her date...and an EXPENSIVE date at that! Anytime a recruit is on an OFFICIAL visit, NCAA rules should bar other schools from contacting those recruits.

That is what got all of this started. CLK has been very complementary toward other SEC coaches, save Spurrier...so Meyer's own shananigans started this feud.
The media knows people like a good fight and thus it boosts ratings to instigate and keep it going as long as possible.

Pretty sure the Gators would be behind this. I doubt the NCAA has reps hanging out on fan message boards looking for something to investigate. Meyer got wind of the hostesses and there were a few photos posted on here where they looked a little chumy...doesn't mean a thing, and in the end I suspect this investigation will be just another Jerry Springer episode...
 
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blueraiderfan07 said:
While NCAA might look at message boards, they can't be used as a reliable source. Joe Blow might post on here Dandy Dawn took him out for a few beers and that's why he went to Tennessee. BUT if they message board fodder as the god-honest truth, then we as fans are screwed. That doesn't mean they aren't gauging to see what the fans are thinking or chitt-chatting about this topic.
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A buddy of mine's friend is the back up to leigh tiffin at alabama and I know for a fact that some alabama players are on steroids.
 
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alumvol08 said:
If it was this big of a deal, wouldn't it involve our coaches? If it did involve our coaches, I guarantee you that Hamilton wouldn't let them go around the country recruiting.
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Even if it did have to do with the coaches, Hammy would still let them go around the country until more evidence was proven. You don't want to make rash decisions.
 
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alumvol08 said:
If it was this big of a deal, wouldn't it involve our coaches? If it did involve our coaches, I guarantee you that Hamilton wouldn't let them go around the country recruiting.
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No, it has to do with compliance not educating their hostesses enough with the rules. If I was in charge of compliance at UT, I would make an NCAA violation sound like the end of the world, so they wouldn't have these problems. The problem is even if you work in the athletic department there is no guidelines on educating their employees about NCAA rules.

Maybe it's because the NCAA has more freaking rules than verses in the Bible.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
I noticed that too, but you have to wonder where exactly things originated. It's all a combination of things, IMO.
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This has originated in the minds of rival coaches turning us in to get this investigation started just to cause a PR nightmare for us, imo.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Negative recruiting is a you know what though. Ask Marlon Brown about it.
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Why would I ask Marlon Brown about negative recruiting?

Is this another thing the coaches are going to have to deal with on the trail? Yes. Will it hamper our ability to land a top 5 recruiting class? No.
 
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