Looking Past The Upcoming Beatdown...

#226
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lovinvolsinva said:
Guys and Gals, I'm telling you the absolute truth here............if this coaching staff was "stunned" by Cromptons play on Saturday, we are in BIG trouble. How many of you were "stunned"?
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Did Kiffin say he was "stunned" by Crompton's performance? I missed that.
 
#228
#228
lovinvolsinva said:
Guys and Gals, I'm telling you the absolute truth here............if this coaching staff was "stunned" by Cromptons play on Saturday, we are in BIG trouble. How many of you were "stunned"?
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I don't know if they were "stunned" or not, but Crompton has long had the reputation of somebody who looks completely different in practice than he does in a game. This was this coaching staff's first exposure to it. No doubt they saw a big improvement between what they saw in practice this year and last season's film, and figured that he had made some pretty big strides since then. It was probably an ugly surprise to watch him regress like that.
 
#229
#229
Vercingetorix said:
I don't know if they were "stunned" or not, but Crompton has long had the reputation of somebody who looks completely different in practice than he does in a game. This was this coaching staff's first exposure to it. No doubt they saw a big improvement between what they saw in practice this year and last season's film, and figured that he had made some pretty big strides since then. It was probably an ugly surprise to watch him regress like that.
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You mean this coaching staff made the same mistake as the last one?!?! NO WAY!!! :eek:hmy:
 
#230
#230
lovinvolsinva said:
You mean this coaching staff made the same mistake as the last one?!?! NO WAY!!! :eek:hmy:
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I don't think either staff has made a mistake with the quarterbacks, other than the fact that these two guys are on the roster to begin with. Neither of them can play. The only difference seems to be that Crompton looks okay in practice but then stinks it up in games, while Stephens is crappy all the time. Everyone howling about how Kiffin should have changed QBs against UCLA seems to have forgotten how Stephens passed Wyoming to victory last year.

I mean, as bad as Crompton is, consider that this is the third time that he's beat Stephens out under two different coaching staffs. (To start the season last year, to take over again at the end of the year after Stephens flopped, and to start this season.) If Crompton is this bad and he keeps beating out Stephens, how bad must Stephens be?
 
#231
#231
lovinvolsinva said:
You mean this coaching staff made the same mistake as the last one?!?! NO WAY!!! :eek:hmy:
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We had no quality quarterbacks on our roster last year. We have none this year. I didn't fault either staff for having to play what they had on hand. But I do fault our former coaching staff for not recruiting someone better at that crucial position.
 
#233
#233
Vercingetorix said:
I don't think either staff has made a mistake with the quarterbacks, other than the fact that these two guys are on the roster to begin with. Neither of them can play. The only difference seems to be that Crompton looks okay in practice but then stinks it up in games, while Stephens is crappy all the time. Everyone howling about how Kiffin should have changed QBs against UCLA seems to have forgotten how Stephens passed Wyoming to victory last year.

I mean, as bad as Crompton is, consider that this is the third time that he's beat Stephens out under two different coaching staffs. (To start the season last year, to take over again at the end of the year after Stephens flopped, and to start this season.) If Crompton is this bad and he keeps beating out Stephens, how bad must Stephens be?
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Put Eric Berry in. At least you'd have a set of wheels, if your going to be one dimensional anyway, might as well put Richardson back there or Berry. Hell mix it up and use them both. I don't know, but its like watching a bad rerun of last year all over again. Its flustrating to watch
 
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#234
Since the 2001 game was discussed some, let's take a look at the players on our team that year who I believe played in the game:

QB Clausen
TE Whitten (NFL, Pro Bowl)
WR Stallworth (NFL)
WR Washington (NFL)
WR Parker (NFL)
OL Ofenheusle (NFL)
OL Herrera (NFL)
OL Coleman
OL Wells (NFL)
OL Munoz
OL Weary (NFL)
RB Stephens (NFL)
FB Bartholomew

DE Veal (NFL)
DE Jackson
DE Sub. Overstreet (NFL)
DE Sub. Ritzman (NFL)
DT Haynesworth (NFL, Pro Bowl)
DT Henderson (NFL, Pro Bowl)
DT Sub. Franklin (NFL)
DT Sub, Moore (NFL)
LB Moore (NFL)
LB Stevenson (NFL)
LB Whiteside (NFL)
LB Burnette (NFL)
CB Greer (NFL)
CB Lott (NFL)
S Battle (NFL)
S Baker (NFL)
DB Jones (NFL)
DB Gaines (NFL)

That is not a team that would ever be an 18 point dog to anyone other than people were used to us choking against Spurrier.
 
#237
#237
hog88 said:
Most negative SOBs I've ever been around. Come on evern a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then! Why don't we just stop the season now and give the championship to CUM and save some pain?

Our team can beat these guys and if not as long as they don't quit in the second half and are still fighting that is one heck of an improvment.
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I am not so concerned about the Defense quitting as I am of them running out of gas.
 
#238
#238
duckman398686 said:
i can say with certainty that if you asked most ut fans what they were booing about saturday, their honest answer would be crompton and not the coaching staff. do i agree with it? no, not really but that was where most of the boobirds were aiming at

also, i can almost guarantee you that nobody would have complained about the playcalling saturday had we not had inept qb play that was behind the loss in the first place
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I have yet to find anyone that is anything other than disappointed in the playcalling. It all came to a head on the goal line 4th and 1 when a fresh Price reentered the game. Lane calling it off tackle - right at Price, summed up a very poor play calling day and put the nail in the loss.

Lane said he'd learn after the game. Too bad for Eric Berry he's learning to call a game just now.
 
#239
#239
UT IE 95 said:
I have yet to find anyone that is anything other than disappointed in the playcalling. It all came to a head on the goal line 4th and 1 when a fresh Price reentered the game. Lane calling it off tackle - right at Price, summed up a very poor play calling day and put the nail in the loss.

Lane said he'd learn after the game. Too bad for Eric Berry he's learning to call a game just now.
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Based on the wide open receivers and the sustained drives in the 4th quarter, I'd say that he called a decent game.

Now that he has seen Crompton's gameday exploits first hand, I'm convinced that his playcalling will adjust to fit his personnel.

That is a pretty good zing from someone that was more than patient with Fulmer.
 
#240
#240
UT IE 95 said:
I have yet to find anyone that is anything other than disappointed in the playcalling. It all came to a head on the goal line 4th and 1 when a fresh Price reentered the game. Lane calling it off tackle - right at Price, summed up a very poor play calling day and put the nail in the loss.

Lane said he'd learn after the game. Too bad for Eric Berry he's learning to call a game just now.
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I agree. The play calling was very vanilla. Our QB play has something to do with that though. But, there are things you can do to offset bad QB play to a certain extent. The staff didn't do a good job of that vs. UCLA. But, like I've said, Lane is a pup. He's learning too. It'll get better.
 
#241
#241
lovinvolsinva said:
I agree. The play calling was very vanilla. Our QB play has something to do with that though. But, there are things you can do to offset bad QB play to a certain extent. The staff didn't do a good job of that vs. UCLA. But, like I've said, Lane is a pup. He's learning too. It'll get better.
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If it was just bad QB play, it would be one thing, but when your OL is getting dominated too, anything you do as a playcaller is going to look bad. He didn't have any options that didn't suck.

I'd like to have seen him try something else too, but really, I can understand why Kiffin called it the way he did, given the culture he's trying to establish (pulling Brown for going out of bounds against WKU, etc.). If you can't get two yards on two carries -- at home against a Pac 10 team -- then you might as well not have gotten off the bus.
 
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#242
Vercingetorix said:
If it was just bad QB play, it would be one thing, but when your OL is getting dominated too, anything you do as a playcaller is going to look bad. He didn't have any options that didn't suck.

I'd like to have seen him try something else too, but really, I can understand why Kiffin called it the way he did, given the culture he's trying to establish (pulling Brown for going out of bounds against WKU, etc.). If you can't get two yards on two carries -- at home against a Pac 10 team -- then you might as well not have gotten off the bus.
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How many screens did we run to offset their mad rush? How many quick flairs did we run to our backs out of the backfield? I know Crompton sucks but he can make these easy throws.
 
#243
#243
I just hope the Florida defeat isn't so bad that we're still limping next weekend. Ohio is not WKU. We should definitely win that game, but that team is extremely capable of pulling off an upset in Knoxville.
I also hate to see that Auburn is playing better this season. I do, however, think we will find a way to win both of those games.
 
#245
#245
Vercingetorix said:
If it was just bad QB play, it would be one thing, but when your OL is getting dominated too, anything you do as a playcaller is going to look bad. He didn't have any options that didn't suck.

I'd like to have seen him try something else too, but really, I can understand why Kiffin called it the way he did, given the culture he's trying to establish (pulling Brown for going out of bounds against WKU, etc.). If you can't get two yards on two carries -- at home against a Pac 10 team -- then you might as well not have gotten off the bus.
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We can argue all day about the timing of his decision, but I think you are absolutely right. It is quite possible that Kiffin wanted to test his OL to see how nasty they could get. Personally, I was wondering the same thing. I'm on record saying he called the exact play that I wanted to see.
 
#246
#246
I just don't like the head guy calling it from the sidelines. It hurt Nutt at Arky and it will hurt Kiffin at UT. Get the OC in the booth and let him call it while you listen in with veto power and ability to change anything.
 
#247
#247
Liper said:
Since the 2001 game was discussed some, let's take a look at the players on our team that year who I believe played in the game:

QB Clausen
TE Whitten (NFL, Pro Bowl)
WR Stallworth (NFL)
WR Washington (NFL)
WR Parker (NFL)
OL Ofenheusle (NFL)
OL Herrera (NFL)
OL Coleman
OL Wells (NFL)
OL Munoz
OL Weary (NFL)
RB Stephens (NFL)
FB Bartholomew

DE Veal (NFL)
DE Jackson
DE Sub. Overstreet (NFL)
DE Sub. Ritzman (NFL)
DT Haynesworth (NFL, Pro Bowl)
DT Henderson (NFL, Pro Bowl)
DT Sub. Franklin (NFL)
DT Sub, Moore (NFL)
LB Moore (NFL)
LB Stevenson (NFL)
LB Whiteside (NFL)
LB Burnette (NFL)
CB Greer (NFL)
CB Lott (NFL)
S Battle (NFL)
S Baker (NFL)
DB Jones (NFL)
DB Gaines (NFL)

That is not a team that would ever be an 18 point dog to anyone other than people were used to us choking against Spurrier.
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WOW...those were the days. So much talent, so little to show for it.
 
#248
#248
BigPapaVol said:
I just don't like the head guy calling it from the sidelines. It hurt Nutt at Arky and it will hurt Kiffin at UT. Get the OC in the booth and let him call it while you listen in with veto power and ability to change anything.
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I don't mind the sideline calls. I do think it takes a brilliant guy to come in, manage a new team (especially one with QB issues), and make all the offensive calls. We will see how that works out soon enough.
 
#249
#249
UT IE 95 said:
I have yet to find anyone that is anything other than disappointed in the playcalling. It all came to a head on the goal line 4th and 1 when a fresh Price reentered the game. Lane calling it off tackle - right at Price, summed up a very poor play calling day and put the nail in the loss.

Lane said he'd learn after the game. Too bad for Eric Berry he's learning to call a game just now.
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Yet, sycophants like you said nothing while Fulmer and Co. were making the brilliant calls that led to the 2005 losses to South Carolina and Vanderbilt.
 
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#250
#250
Vercingetorix said:
If it was just bad QB play, it would be one thing, but when your OL is getting dominated too, anything you do as a playcaller is going to look bad. He didn't have any options that didn't suck.

I'd like to have seen him try something else too, but really, I can understand why Kiffin called it the way he did, given the culture he's trying to establish (pulling Brown for going out of bounds against WKU, etc.). If you can't get two yards on two carries -- at home against a Pac 10 team -- then you might as well not have gotten off the bus.
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I agree, it appears that the whole offense regressed under the pressure of that game...multi-year bad habits don't get broken over one offseason. I expect to see improvement as we go through the year even if those improvements don't always equal a victory.

Kiffin and staff have high expectations and they're going to continue to coach to those expectations. In the next couple of years they'll actually have the players capable of executing those expectations.

This year is largely on the prior staff. Next year's pups that will be playing all over the field is largely a cause of the lack of recruiting by the previous staff. I can live with losing with this staff's hand picked young talent next year, this year is more a curiosity than anything to me. Like it or not, this is a transition year...old players, new system.
 
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