Iran

[rikberry31]

depending on what you mean by "withstand" yes. North Korea has survived worse, for longer.

really I think they will last longer than our will to uphold it. especially as our allies in the region are losing more money than Iran is, and prices at home reflect all of it. Europe is already beginning to feel the strain, and this is very much a global issue.

we are apparently trying to destroy an ideology. that doesn't die because the dollars do. if anything we are becoming more of the bad guys in Iran than we were before, strengthening that ideology. before this mess most Iranians were tired of a repressive government that tried to sell the US as the boogey man. now we have the US blowing up schools, and the repressive government is justified in hating the US, AND has a reason for being repressive...the Americans. we gave them a real enemy to solidify behind.

This is wrong. We are not out to destroy an ideology, just defang it. Ideas can not be destroyed but the ability to act on them can be. Who cares? Let them worship the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man for all anyone cares. The problem comes in when the Stat Puftites started becoming terrorists and harassing and killing others.
When they are disarmed they can go back to doing the downward dog toward Mecca and pumping the neighbor's goat.

 

[LouderVol]

Actually Truth Deniers or Reality Deniers is more accurate, it covers the left and the right doomers. We are on the cusp of PAX Americana and you are going to have to be mad about it.

on the cusp?

we had a far better American Peace before Trump started kidnapping foreign presidents, and bombing foreign countries. seriously rewind like a year ago and we had far more peace than we have today.

 

[BeardedVol]

Who cares? They are worthless and irrelevant. It is embarrassing how lame Europe is now. Just look at the English navy for goodness sake. Once the most feared power on the planet and now dust. Who fricking needs NATO?

I'd say the governments and families of NATO-member soldiers who died answering the call at our behest care, but it's unsurprising that you follow the lead of your cheeto-dusted-jesus on the issue.

Trump Casually Denigrates NATO’s War Dead

The president has revised history when it comes to the sacrifices of America’s allies.

www.theatlantic.com

I would remind you that without access to NATO member ports and airbases, the US cannot conduct operations around the world, particularly in the Middle-East, so while you believe that the US does not need NATO, you are in fact, and as per usual, wrong in your assessment.

 

[LouderVol]

This is wrong. We are not out to destroy an ideology, just defang it. Ideas can not be destroyed but the ability to act on them can be. Who cares? Let them worship the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man for all anyone cares. The problem comes in when the Stat Puftites started becoming terrorists and harassing and killing others.
When they are disarmed they can go back to doing the downward dog toward Mecca and pumping the neighbor's goat.

you don't need billions/trillions to pay for terrorism. if anything we are pushing them towards lone wolf territory which is going to be far harder to stop. *originally I typed "loan wolf", while incorrect, kinda proves the point*

and maybe we should leave the pufties alone, and not blow them up every 6 months, to avoid pushing them towards terrorism.

I don't know about you, but if Peru suddenly showed up in the US blowing stuff up, and killing people, and cutting off our trade, I would start to feel pretty angry with Peru. and Peru enforcing a blockade would not get me to calm down.

 

[rikberry31]

on the cusp?

we had a far better American Peace before Trump started kidnapping foreign presidents, and bombing foreign countries. seriously rewind like a year ago and we had far more peace than we have today.

Yeah, I forgot how nice it was in 2020-21. Down right mostly peaceful riots. It was pretty peaceful in Israel in October of 2022. Also in Iran last year, it was totally peaceful up until Trump had all those innocent civilians mowed down. Let us not forget the humanitarian mission going on in the Ukraine either.

"We say love your brother.....Well we don't say it really but..." David St. Hubbins
"We don't really, literally mean it." Nigel Tufnel

"We've got armadillos in our trousers." Nigel Tufnel

 

[rikberry31]

I'd say the governments and families of NATO-member soldiers who died answering the call at our behest care, but it's unsurprising that you follow the lead of your cheeto-dusted-jesus on the issue.

Trump Casually Denigrates NATO’s War Dead

The president has revised history when it comes to the sacrifices of America’s allies.

www.theatlantic.com

I would remind you that without access to NATO member ports and airbases, the US cannot conduct operations around the world, particularly in the Middle-East, so while you believe that the US does not need NATO, you are in fact, and as per usual, wrong in your assessment.

At some point you have get over nostalgia and move on to reality. Truth is we don't need them or the bases we built for them. They need us, plain and simple. NATO was created to protect Western Europe and they haven't lifted a finger in their own behalf for a long, long time. We pay for most of it, we bare about 70% of the cost of NATO and get nothing for it while the Europeans can waste their money on commie social programs and the climate scam.
Funny how the strongest support of NATO comes from the countries on Putin's door step, Western Europe just assumes we will defend them and bail them out. We been doing that for over a hundred years.

 

[volfanhill]

You know you are struggling when you are bringing up riots from 2020 in a thread about Iran

 

[Good Ol' Charlie Brown]

You know you are struggling when you are bringing up riots from 2020 in a thread about Iran

This thread is dying a slow and painful death.

 

[rikberry31]

you don't need billions/trillions to pay for terrorism. if anything we are pushing them towards lone wolf territory which is going to be far harder to stop. *originally I typed "loan wolf", while incorrect, kinda proves the point*

and maybe we should leave the pufties alone, and not blow them up every 6 months, to avoid pushing them towards terrorism.

I don't know about you, but if Peru suddenly showed up in the US blowing stuff up, and killing people, and cutting off our trade, I would start to feel pretty angry with Peru. and Peru enforcing a blockade would not get me to calm down.

Pushing them towards terrorism, are you kidding me? The Islamic Regime has been a terrorist state from its inception. Their first action was to take Americans hostage for a coon's age after Jimmy Carter helped them take power. You're right we really need to quit pushing those peaceful Islamofascists in to terrorism.
It's in their DNA.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

This thread is dying a slow and painful death.

Keep posting to keep it alive!!!

 

[BeardedVol]

At some point you have get over nostalgia and move on to reality. Truth is we don't need them or the bases we built for them. They need us, plain and simple. NATO was created to protect Western Europe and they haven't lifted a finger in their own behalf for a long, long time. We pay for most of it, we bare about 70% of the cost of NATO and get nothing for it while the Europeans can waste their money on commie social programs and the climate scam.
Funny how the strongest support of NATO comes from the countries on Putin's door step, Western Europe just assumes we will defend them and bail them out. We been doing that for over a hundred years.

Where are you going to reload cruise missiles on destroyers outside of the continental united states if you don't use the facilities at Rota Spain?

Where are you going to medivac flight severely wounded service members to, without access ti Ramstein AFB?

We do not pay 70% of the cost of NATO, JayEffCee you're the living embodiment of Dunning-Kruger.

We pay ~15% of NATO common funding, the same amount as Germany.

Funding NATO

When the North Atlantic Council – NATO's top political decision-making body – unanimously decides to engage in an operation or mission, there is no obligation for each and every member to contribute unless it is an Article 5 collective defence operation, in which case expectations are different...

www.nato.int

 

[LouderVol]

Yeah, I forgot how nice it was in 2020-21. Down right mostly peaceful riots. It was pretty peaceful in Israel in October of 2022. Also in Iran last year, it was totally peaceful up until Trump had all those innocent civilians mowed down. Let us not forget the humanitarian mission going on in the Ukraine either.

"We say love your brother.....Well we don't say it really but..." David St. Hubbins
"We don't really, literally mean it." Nigel Tufnel

"We've got armadillos in our trousers." Nigel Tufnel

how globalist of you. wanting to enforce peace on the rest of the world while cheering a war. I am not so concerned about what the world does, I am mostly interested in what we as a country do in the world. we haven't been a shining example of peace since probably before WW1.

the protests in the US in 2020/21 have nothing to do with world wide peace. that's a weird thing to throw in there.

 

[rikberry31]

Where are you going to reload cruise missiles on destroyers outside of the continental united states if you don't use the facilities at Rota Spain?

Where are you going to medivac flight severely wounded service members to, without access ti Ramstein AFB?

We do not pay 70% of the cost of NATO, JayEffCee you're the living embodiment of Dunning-Kruger.

We pay ~15% of NATO common funding, the same amount as Germany.

Funding NATO

When the North Atlantic Council – NATO's top political decision-making body – unanimously decides to engage in an operation or mission, there is no obligation for each and every member to contribute unless it is an Article 5 collective defence operation, in which case expectations are different...

www.nato.int

All . The entire oil supply chain is being transformed so will a lot of other things. We have for the first time by passed NATO and proven that they can shove their bases. We did it without them.
We do pay the bulk of NATO expenses.
The United States' financial commitment to NATO consists of direct contributions to the organization's operating budget and indirect contributions through its national defense spending. In 2024, the U.S. contributed approximately $753 million directly to NATO's common-funded budgets.
Taxpayers for Common Sense +1
However, the U.S. also drives the vast majority of total NATO defense spending, with an estimated $935 billion to $980 billion in national defense expenditures in 2024–2025, representing over 60% of the total defense spending of all NATO allies combined.
Atlantic Council +2

 

[BeardedVol]

All . The entire oil supply chain is being transformed so will a lot of other things. We have for the first time by passed NATO and proven that they can shove their bases. We did it without them.
We do pay the bulk of NATO expenses.
The United States' financial commitment to NATO consists of direct contributions to the organization's operating budget and indirect contributions through its national defense spending. In 2024, the U.S. contributed approximately $753 million directly to NATO's common-funded budgets.
View attachment 828864Taxpayers for Common Sense +1
However, the U.S. also drives the vast majority of total NATO defense spending, with an estimated $935 billion to $980 billion in national defense expenditures in 2024–2025, representing over 60% of the total defense spending of all NATO allies combined.
Atlantic Council +2

Lol so you aren't going to address the logistical reality of the loss of access to NATO bases in the EU if we decide to give Putin his greatest gift ever and blow up NATO?

Classic.

I've already given you the breakdown of NATO funding and how much we pay.

I see you got that $753 million number from this article, and didn't bother to actually read it: https://www.taxpayer.net/national-security/how-much-does-nato-cost-the-united-states/



What we spend on US defense outside of NATO is not a direct contribution to NATO. NATO does not mandate that we maintain 750+ military bases on foreign soil, that's a choice that we have made.

 

[rikberry31]

Lol so you aren't going to address the logistical reality of the loss of access to NATO bases in the EU if we decide to give Putin his greatest gift ever and blow up NATO?

I think we addressed those logistics over the past month.

What we spend on US defense outside of NATO is not a direct contribution to NATO. NATO does not mandate that we maintain 750+ military bases on foreign soil, that's a choice that we have made.

Is not mandated but let us stop spending that money on Europe and they will howl like hound with a hot poker up his azz. However you cut it WE are NATO. If that is not the case, why is it such a big deal if we skate? Let them deal with Putin.
I hope we're done bailing their azzes out only to have them look down their noses at us. They are irrelevant.

 

[BeardedVol]

I think we addressed those logistics over the past month.

Is not mandated but let us stop spending that money on Europe and they will howl like hound with a hot poker up his azz. However you cut it WE are NATO. If that is not the case, why is it such a big deal if we skate? Let them deal with Putin.
I hope we're done bailing their azzes out only to have them look down their noses at us. They are irrelevant.

LOL we did?

DOD families head to Germany and US as Iran keeps up barrage on Bahrain

Hundreds of military dependents and civilians are heading west after the Pentagon ordered their departure from Bahrain.

www.stripes.com

Secret Details of Even More Wounded Americans Leak

A drone attack injured at least two service members who were part of another evacuation flight to Germany on Thursday.

www.thedailybeast.com

Largest US military hospital abroad halts labor, delivery services amid Iran war

The Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in Germany is pausing its labor and delivery services to focus on its “primary objective,” a memo states.

www.militarytimes.com

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Lol so you aren't going to address the logistical reality of the loss of access to NATO bases in the EU if we decide to give Putin his greatest gift ever and blow up NATO?

Classic.

I've already given you the breakdown of NATO funding and how much we pay.

I see you got that $753 million number from this article, and didn't bother to actually read it: https://www.taxpayer.net/national-security/how-much-does-nato-cost-the-united-states/
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What we spend on US defense outside of NATO is not a direct contribution to NATO. NATO does not mandate that we maintain 750+ military bases on foreign soil, that's a choice that we have made.

How is what is happening to NATO our fault? They won't help us, so why should we help them which we were actually doing by the way. AMericans ALWAYS do the heavy lifting. ALWAYS have, but the Times They Are a Changing.

 

[BeardedVol]

How is what is happening to NATO our fault? They won't help us, so why should we help them which we were actually doing by the way. AMericans ALWAYS do the heavy lifting. ALWAYS have, but the Times They Are a Changing.

You need a refresher?

NATO’s Article 5 Explained: How Collective Defense Works and When It’s Triggered

Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty commits member states to collective defense, treating an armed attack against one Ally as an attack against them all. This article provides an overview of NATO’s security guarantee and Article 5, the history of triggering collective defense, and the future...

www.belfercenter.org

 

[BeardedVol]

Russian Billionaire’s Yacht Slips Through Closed Strait Of Hormuz Despite Restrictions

Alexey Mordashov's $37 billion superyacht, the Nord, transited the Strait of Hormuz despite Iran's maritime restrictions amid regional tensions.

united24media.com

 

[rikberry31]

LOL we did?

DOD families head to Germany and US as Iran keeps up barrage on Bahrain

Hundreds of military dependents and civilians are heading west after the Pentagon ordered their departure from Bahrain.

www.stripes.com

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Secret Details of Even More Wounded Americans Leak

A drone attack injured at least two service members who were part of another evacuation flight to Germany on Thursday.

www.thedailybeast.com

Largest US military hospital abroad halts labor, delivery services amid Iran war

The Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in Germany is pausing its labor and delivery services to focus on its “primary objective,” a memo states.

www.militarytimes.com

Those articles are ancient and you act as if they are happening now, what a joke. We are waiting their azzes out. Strangling them until they give or stop twitching.

 

[BeardedVol]

Those articles are ancient and you act as if they are happening now, what a joke. We are waiting their azzes out. Strangling them until they give or stop twitching.

"ancient"

 

[rikberry31]

You need a refresher?

NATO’s Article 5 Explained: How Collective Defense Works and When It’s Triggered

Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty commits member states to collective defense, treating an armed attack against one Ally as an attack against them all. This article provides an overview of NATO’s security guarantee and Article 5, the history of triggering collective defense, and the future...

www.belfercenter.org

NATO useless as teats on a boar hog. They don't have capability to collectively defend squat anymore.

 

[rikberry31]

"ancient"

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It is almost May and it is whole different ball game now. We have decimated them and killed 250 of their freakin leaders. Iran and the American left are so useless they can't even kill one of ours. Throw NATO and the NCAA on the pile of impotent eunuchs with them.

 

[BeardedVol]

NATO useless as teats on a boar hog. They don't have capability to collectively defend squat anymore.

You should google the definition of "collective defense" or maybe just "defense" since you don't seem to understand how it differs from "offense".

It is almost May and it is whole different ball game now. We have decimated them and killed 250 of their freakin leaders. Iran and the American left are so useless they can't even kill one of ours. Throw NATO and the NCAA on the pile of impotent eunuchs with them.

Again, the point of listing the articles is that these are all assets that we have available to use because of of our membership in NATO, and we utilized them a month ago, because the US has no alternative should it leave NATO.

We can only project power in the Middle-East because we have access to NATO resources in Europe. If we leave NATO, access to those resources goes away.

I don't know how I cans simplify it for you any further.

 

[rikberry31]

Yes, let's thank the Lord for Trump trying to destroy our friendly, long time alliances with Canada, the UK, NATO, and most western European countries. Hey, let's make Canada a state. Let's invade and take over Greenland. At the same time let's cozy up with Putin even more than last time Trump was POTUS.

Give me a F'ing break

Old tired . All those people need us a lot more than we need them. Yeah, Putin is cheering on the regime, he and Trump are buddies. You are so full of it. I am sorry it hurts so bad to be wrong,