Gerrymandering in Virginia

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volfanhill said:
You really have to be a special person to not understand why 2020 happened and how voter turnout was lower for the Dems in 2024.

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It's the only time in my voting life where I had to wait in line any real period of time. Almost an hour. Of course that level of consternation would drive people to the polls. I contend no incumbent would have held on to the presidency.

2024 no pandemic, no more riots people less freaked out less likely to vote
Then you add the Biden switch to Kamala fiasco. How terribly unlikable she is. 4 years of crushing inflation and yea the left stayed home and the undecided and middle 10 broke for Trump.
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It was Israel, man. Kamala lost all those swing states because of Israel.

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BeardedVol said:
Lol it's impressive to watch you pretend that CA and VA didn't undertake their redistricting in response to TX caving to Trump's demand.

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Nowhere in my response did I say that or say anything remotely close to that. My point was Dems try to pretend they ONLY Gerrymander in response to Republicans doing it first. Therefore, when they do it “it isn’t as bad”.

Hence referring to the NY “attempted” Gerrymander in 2022 that was struck down. Asking “how did Dem’s feel about that”?

“It’s cool it wasn’t mid-decade” or “Texas wasn’t responding to THAT”. BFD. They tried to Gerrymander and go against their own state constitution. Thankfully, the courts bitch-slapped them. Hopefully, the same will happen in VA. It’s a shame it didn’t happen in TX or CA.

It’s like a man who beats his wife a says “look what you made me do”.

Wrong is wrong is wrong. Gerrymandering is wrong. Doing it first or “responding” is wrong. If you choose to wallow in feces, just own it.
What Texas did is wrong. What CA and VA did is wrong. What FL is going to do is wrong.

When a Governor places party over constituents, it is despicable. Whether they have an R or a D by their name.

That’s what I’m saying.

The only people who have a righteous leg to stand on in all of this is Indiana.

Hopefully, that’s clear enough. Lol…..
 
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Tenacjim said:
Nowhere in my response did I say that or say anything remotely close to that. My point was Dems try to pretend they ONLY Gerrymander in response to Republicans doing it first. Therefore, when they do it “it isn’t as bad”.

Hence referring to the NY “attempted” Gerrymander in 2022 that was struck down. Asking “how did Dem’s feel about that”?

“It’s cool it wasn’t mid-decade” or “Texas wasn’t responding to THAT”. BFD. They tried to Gerrymander and go against their own state constitution. Thankfully, the courts bitch-slapped them. Hopefully, the same will happen in VA. It’s a shame it didn’t happen in TX or CA.

It’s like a man who beats his wife a says “look what you made me do”.

Wrong is wrong is wrong. Gerrymandering is wrong. Doing it first or “responding” is wrong. If you choose to wallow in feces, just own it.
What Texas did is wrong. What CA and VA did is wrong. What FL is going to do is wrong.

When a Governor places party over constituents, it is despicable. Whether they have an R or a D by their name.

That’s what I’m saying.

The only people who have a righteous leg to stand on in all of this is Indiana.

Hopefully, that’s clear enough. Lol…..
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Except California and Virginia had independent redistricting commissions, and put for the vote to set it aside to the people of the state, as a direct response to Trump calling Abbott and saying "get me more seats".

You can hem and haw all you want, about other states gerrymandered or not, but it still won't change the reality of the current situation.

Besides, Republicans hold the house, the senate, the supreme court, and the presidency, and could put forth a bill today to end gerrymandering for congressional districts, but they aren't going to do that, are they?
 
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BeardedVol said:
Except California and Virginia had independent redistricting commissions, and put for the vote to set it aside to the people of the state, as a direct response to Trump calling Abbott and saying "get me more seats".

You can hem and haw all you want, about other states gerrymandered or not, but it still won't change the reality of the current situation.

Besides, Republicans hold the house, the senate, the supreme court, and the presidency, and could put forth a bill today to end gerrymandering for congressional districts, but they aren't going to do that, are they?
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There are actually two bills (one from a D and one from an R) currently being teed up on this subject. Ideally, they would combine forces and maybe get the people in the middle on both sides to do something for the people instead of the party. Not likely. I don’t think anyone would cross the aisle to cure cancer at this point.

The only way this would truly have any benefit at this point is to undo all the current gerrymandered districts and start from scratch. Will ANY of the douche nozzles in Congress go for that? How about term limits while we are at it?

I don’t think I am “hemming and hawing” at all. My response was clear and detailed. I think Gerrymandering is a problem that goes back decades and is MUCH bigger than the “current situation”. I live in Virginia so I am very aware of the process. Here’s a fun fact you may not know. The current districts were NOT created by the “Independent Districting Commission”. They deadlocked and the task fell to the VA Supreme Court.

I take issue with Dems trying to tee it up as “noble” by “letting” the people vote when TX didn’t. It’s the ONLY path they had. And in VA, they cut a lot of corners, didn’t follow the mandated process per the state constitution and use deceptive language. That’s OK because “Texas started it”? Just follow the process as mandated and print a ballot that says “due to Donald Trump Gerrymandering 5 seats in TX, we’re going to gerrymander 4 in VA. Do you agree”? If the voters approve, OK then.

To me, this whole process is burning down the house due to some mold. Dems will take the House easily without all of these shenanigans. That would have been true even with TX stealing 5 seats. VA would have likely been 8-3 with the old maps. They may wind up 8-3 anyway. Or the VASC could strike this down. Right now, I think Dems are up 1 or 2 seats If VA holds. But here comes FL. It’s all going to be a wash and Dems will still win the House. Just a TON of self-inflicted wounds for both sides IMO. Our Governor has the lowest approval rating 3 months into her term in history. Mostly due to this gerrymandering (since she said she had no plans to redistrict last October). But most of all, it’s the people who are being used as pawns and disregarded through all of this.
 
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Tenacjim said:
There are actually two bills (one from a D and one from an R) currently being teed up on this subject. Ideally, they would combine forces and maybe get the people in the middle on both sides to do something for the people instead of the party. Not likely. I don’t think anyone would cross the aisle to cure cancer at this point.

The only way this would truly have any benefit at this point is to undo all the current gerrymandered districts and start from scratch. Will ANY of the douche nozzles in Congress go for that? How about term limits while we are at it?

I don’t think I am “hemming and hawing” at all. My response was clear and detailed. I think Gerrymandering is a problem that goes back decades and is MUCH bigger than the “current situation”. I live in Virginia so I am very aware of the process. Here’s a fun fact you may not know. The current districts were NOT created by the “Independent Districting Commission”. They deadlocked and the task fell to the VA Supreme Court.

I take issue with Dems trying to tee it up as “noble” by “letting” the people vote when TX didn’t. It’s the ONLY path they had. And in VA, they cut a lot of corners, didn’t follow the mandated process per the state constitution and use deceptive language. That’s OK because “Texas started it”? Just follow the process as mandated and print a ballot that says “due to Donald Trump Gerrymandering 5 seats in TX, we’re going to gerrymander 4 in VA. Do you agree”? If the voters approve, OK then.

To me, this whole process is burning down the house due to some mold. Dems will take the House easily without all of these shenanigans. That would have been true even with TX stealing 5 seats. VA would have likely been 8-3 with the old maps. They may wind up 8-3 anyway. Or the VASC could strike this down. Right now, I think Dems are up 1 or 2 seats If VA holds. But here comes FL. It’s all going to be a wash and Dems will still win the House. Just a TON of self-inflicted wounds for both sides IMO. Our Governor has the lowest approval rating 3 months into her term in history. Mostly due to this gerrymandering (since she said she had no plans to redistrict last October). But most of all, it’s the people who are being used as pawns and disregarded through all of this.
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Again, you can talk about gerrymandering being a problem in other "democrat" states all you want, but it still will not change the reality of what is occurring right now with this mid-decade redistricting, being started by Texas at the behest of Trump.

Literally no one was talking about redistricting mid-decade until Trump called Abbott and said "find me 5 seats"; there's multiple videos of him admitting to it, and you're still trying to dance around that reality as if you can just pretend that it didn't happen.

This albatross is for Republicans to wear, and especially so given that you have control of the entirety of the federal government, and could pass legislation today to end congressional gerrymandering.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Massachusetts has 0 counties that voted R. Rhode Island has 0 as well. Vermont 1 small rural one. CT only has 2 ( 2 of the 4 smallest population counties; less than 10% of total statewide population conbined). NH only 2, one which is very small population.

Other than noncoastal Maine, there are no contiguous pockets or large population cores of R voters in New England...
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So if we are going to do counties since Trump won 2,633 and Harris won 427 does that mean there should be more Republican representation in the House.
 
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appvol said:
So if we are going to do counties since Trump won 2,633 and Harris won 427 does that mean there should be more Republican representation in the House.
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Congressional tracts SHOULD be drawn to pick up dense population cores first and contigious counties second. Other than Maine, there probably shouldn't be a red district in New England. Tennessee should be 7-2 R...
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Congressional tracts SHOULD be drawn to pick up dense population cores first and contigious counties second. Other than Maine, there probably shouldn't be a red district in New England. Tennessee should be 7-2 R...
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Tennessee did some creative redistricting to ensure a huge Red majority.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Very much so. Pretty much Davidson should be its own district and Memphis inner suburbs should be one. Probably the other 7 would be bright red...
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Damn, exactly my thinking. It's funny how up to the Clinton midterms, Tennessee was pretty blue. WW2 conservative Democrats started passing on and Tennessee became a slightly red state. Social media and redistricting triggered the deep red
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Very much so. Pretty much Davidson should be its own district and Memphis inner suburbs should be one. Probably the other 7 would be bright red...
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I agree with that. Like I have said before in this thread- I don’t want a Shelby county nerd representing this rural area of West TN.
 
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Jxn Vol said:
I agree with that. Like I have said before in this thread- I don’t want a Shelby county nerd representing this rural area of West TN.
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Agree. Once again, the Middle and East TN Rs in Nashville have told you to strip, bend over, and enjoy it....
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Congressional tracts SHOULD be drawn to pick up dense population cores first and contigious counties second. Other than Maine, there probably shouldn't be a red district in New England. Tennessee should be 7-2 R...
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In reality, I agree to a point...

It should be drawn by population first to determine the number of districts, then split "regionalized" to cover cities and counties much like high school sports classifications.

Not by race or those long Illinois like U-shape blocks to cover race/class/dilute voter groups
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Damn, exactly my thinking. It's funny how up to the Clinton midterms, Tennessee was pretty blue. WW2 conservative Democrats started passing on and Tennessee became a slightly red state. Social media and redistricting triggered the deep red
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Almost Southern states were blue locally until the 1990s, it's why the "parties switched in the 1960s" myth isn't real.

Dems doubling down on the leftist social issues and things like NAFTA and global trade pushed what used to be Rural Dem/Blue collar vote Red
 
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volfanhill said:
You really have to be a special person to not understand why 2020 happened and how voter turnout was lower for the Dems in 2024.

Global Pandemic
Riots in streets

It's the only time in my voting life where I had to wait in line any real period of time. Almost an hour. Of course that level of consternation would drive people to the polls. I contend no incumbent would have held on to the presidency.

2024 no pandemic, no more riots people less freaked out less likely to vote
Then you add the Biden switch to Kamala fiasco. How terribly unlikable she is. 4 years of crushing inflation and yea the left stayed home and the undecided and middle 10 broke for Trump.
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You're suggesting that more people voted because there was a pandemic? And that doesn't explain how Biden received huge a number that totally contradicts the rest of historical data. And then where did they go.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Damn, exactly my thinking. It's funny how up to the Clinton midterms, Tennessee was pretty blue. WW2 conservative Democrats started passing on and Tennessee became a slightly red state. Social media and redistricting triggered the deep red
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Not a mystery. The Democratic party went insane and became the party of looney elitist communists. There are no more conservative "blue dog" democrats. My family and everyone I knew years ago was democrat since the since the War of Northern Aggression.
I convinced my Daddy to vote for Ronald Reagan in 1980. He was as conservative as they come and the democrat party left him. That's what happened in Tennessee.
 
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