Iran

[n_huffhines]

Not me bro. I'm a picker, I'm a grinner, I'm a lover, and I'm a sinner.

Samesies. Just not on faceless message boards where I'm talking about war crimes and destructive government. In real life, I would find out you disagree with me and just never bring it up.

 

[n_huffhines]

I agree with this 100%, unless we really did significantly deter or delay their nuclear ambitions.

How would you even know we have? That's exactly the problem right now.

- We pulled out of a deal because we suspected they weren't keeping the spirit of the deal.
- Then they stopped following the letter of the deal.
- Yeah, they're enriching uranium, but, we have international organizations telling us to calm down about their alleged ambitions.
- Also, we have our intelligence indicating we should calm down about this.
- Then we bombed them last year because we just decided to call ******** on our own intelligence, and then we told the world we obliterated their program.
- And then a year later we have to take care of the problem again? Why, if it was "obliterated?" Why trust these incompetent liars who bomb girls schools to run ops like this?

There is no trust anywhere. The admin doesn't trust international organizations, its own intelligence, and there is no trust in the admin, because they're clearly full of ****. So IDK how the **** we ever solve this.

How do we ever get to a place where @kiddiedoc is satisfied with their nuclear ambitions? It doesn't matter what's actually happening, according to our intelligence and the international organizations...once a bunch of Zionist Republicans start expressing doubt about them keeping the agreement, where are you going to stand?

 

[ETV]

Definitely not.

I do remember when volfanjustin said he would shoot me if I gave him the chance. One of my fondest VN memories.

SMH.

Set a time and date, then throw hands at the Waffle House to resolve your situation. That’s the most acceptable solution.

 

[MontyPython]

Typical. You got nothing.

Heh.

It's a dick move to say someone is saying something they're not.

Try a new schtick, broseph.

 

[n_huffhines]

"To kill the infidels is one of the noblest missions God has reserved for mankind.”
- Ruhollah Khomeini

“If one permits an infidel to continue in his role as a corrupter of the earth, the infidel's moral suffering will be all the worse. If one kills the infidel, and this stops him from perpetrating his misdeeds, his death will be a blessing to him.” - Ruhollah Khomeini

OK, so this guy died 33 years ago. I'm not that worried about what he used to say.

The context of that speech, his use of "infidels," was referring to people opposing the establishment of their Islamic state within their own country. In no way was he saying he wants to kill Americans for being Christian. Leave them alone and we won't have problems.

“The Iranian nation has the courage to say, ‘Death to America.’” And “Yes, it will happen. Death to America will happen.”
- Ali Khamenei

“When you chant ‘Death to America!’ It is not just a slogan. It is a policy." - Ali Khamenei

America is a regime to them. It's not death to Americans, it's death to the regime that has been ****ing with us for 70 years.

And he might be right that it will happen. Our ambitions in the Middle East might prove to be our demise. It's certainly headed that way. Our government is indisputably in a financial crisis and we're going to war over BS.

 

[Majors]

With all due respect, you’re not worth anyone’s time here to argue with.

Yet, you took time to post the above. Weird logic.

 

[theFallGuy]

OK, so this guy died 33 years ago. I'm not that worried about what he used to say.

The context of that speech, his use of "infidels," was referring to people opposing the establishment of their Islamic state within their own country. In no way was he saying he wants to kill Americans for being Christian. Leave them alone and we won't have problems.



America is a regime to them. It's not death to Americans, it's death to the regime that has been ****ing with us for 70 years.

And he might be right that it will happen. Our ambitions in the Middle East might prove to be our demise. It's certainly headed that way. Our government is indisputably in a financial crisis and we're going to war over BS.

I'm no scholar on Islamic views but seems like a lot of gymnastics here to justify what he said. But you do you

 

[theFallGuy]

 

[n_huffhines]

I'm no scholar on Islamic views but seems like a lot of gymnastics here to justify what he said. But you do you

Hey, thanks for jumping in. You apparently missed the context. I'm not justifying it at all, I asked him, "Which Iranian leaders said it's a holy pursuit to kill Americans?" and he didn't demonstrate that.

My point isn't about the goodness/badness of Iran, it's whether or not we should mind our own business. It's whether or not we should be *****ing our pampers.

 

[n_huffhines]

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Thanks again.

If I say "kill all infidels" that's one thing.

If I say, "kill infidels who are actively opposing our sovereignty," that's certainly another, right?

 

[BeardedVol]

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https://www.biblicaltraining.org/library/infidel

 

[MOOOOONEY]

Pretty much everyone agreed on not going to war with Iran, it's trumpets that flipped on it 2 months ago

The conservatives didn’t flip on it.

It was trumpets.

 

[volfanhill]

 

[rikberry31]

With all due respect, you’re not worth anyone’s time here to argue with.

That's what I thought. You got nothing except insanity.

 

[rikberry31]

There was nothing of substance to respond to. Was there a question in there?

I have made several assertions on here, and you and other people who have no response but insults and funny pictures.

 

[rikberry31]

Heh.

It's a dick move to say someone is saying something they're not.

Try a new schtick, broseph.

Translation: It is a dick move to call people out on their .

 

[Persian Vol]

We might have to expedite a 2nd FIFA peace prize soon.

 

[rikberry31]

Uh huh. That's rhetoric as noted.

So, they don't mean it but if Trump says something to take a maximalist position he is to be taken at his literal word. Truth is he is doing the same thing the Iranians are doing. He speaks their language.
Mullahs say "Death to America", and they are just kidding it's just rhetoric.
Trump says "I am going to wipe out your civilization", and he literally means it and he is insane.
Both are trash talking.

 

[Smokey123]

So, they don't mean it but if Trump says something to take a maximalist position he is to be taken at his literal word. Truth is he is doing the same thing the Iranians are doing. He speaks their language.
Mullahs say "Death to America", and they are just kidding it's just rhetoric.
Trump says "I am going to wipe out your civilization", and he literally means it and he is insane.
Both are trash talking.

He’s doing the same thing they’re doing? So you don’t think they’re serious and just trash talking? You’ve said the opposite a lot….

 

[NashVol11]

Some of the Pahlavi fans in the comments seem mad that this undercuts the propaganda of all women wearing hijabs etc.

 

[rikberry31]

He’s doing the same thing they’re doing? So you don’t think they’re serious and just trash talking? You’ve said the opposite a lot….

I believe that they absolutely would make good on their threats if they had the ability. I consider their words trash talk because they could never do what they are saying, and they know it. Give them a nuke and all bets are off, and they know that too.
Trump has the means to end their civilization but he never would therefore he is bluffing like a poker player. It works because he leads people to believe that he is crazy enough to do it.
The man is totally unpredictable but totally rational. That makes people nervous and they blink.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[rikberry31]

sfrom their perspective the uranium is the only thing that is going to get them free of our meddling. we have been meddling long before they started chasing nukes, so your claim that that is all we want falls well short.

in particular this admin has changed their narrative about half a dozen times about why we are there, so there is little incentive to give up the uranium as it likely doesn't fix their issue.

Our list of attacking Iran has been:
because Israel was going to.
to help the people.
regime change.
to open the straight.
to close the straight.
to stop their oil.
their nuclear program
their other weapons programs
because they are a threat.

. They want the bomb to eliminate Israel first and Western culture second, it's their religion for goodness sake. If all they wanted was for us to leave them alone they could have stopped messing with our shite. The U.S., namely Jimmy Carter allowed the mullahs to take power. From day one they answered by asking for it.
When they took our people hostages we should have put boots on the ground immediately and taken care of it then. Carter coddled them and let it fester until it became a huge problem.
Back then Trump said we should go get our people out. And now some are saying I didn't vote for this. They should have done their homework, there is only forty years of him saying we need to take care of Iran.

 

[rikberry31]

How would you even know we have? That's exactly the problem right now.

- We pulled out of a deal because we suspected they weren't keeping the spirit of the deal.
- Then they stopped following the letter of the deal.
- Yeah, they're enriching uranium, but, we have international organizations telling us to calm down about their alleged ambitions.
- Also, we have our intelligence indicating we should calm down about this.
- Then we bombed them last year because we just decided to call ******** on our own intelligence, and then we told the world we obliterated their program.
- And then a year later we have to take care of the problem again? Why, if it was "obliterated?" Why trust these incompetent liars who bomb girls schools to run ops like this?

There is no trust anywhere. The admin doesn't trust international organizations, its own intelligence, and there is no trust in the admin, because they're clearly full of ****. So IDK how the **** we ever solve this.

How do we ever get to a place where @kiddiedoc is satisfied with their nuclear ambitions? It doesn't matter what's actually happening, according to our intelligence and the international organizations...once a bunch of Zionist Republicans start expressing doubt about them keeping the agreement, where are you going to stand?

And there ya have it. All that and in the last sentence he slips up and tells the truth about what he is upset about.

 

[Smokey123]

I believe that they absolutely would make good on their threats if they had the ability. I consider their words trash talk because they could never do what they are saying, and they know it. Give them a nuke and all bets are off, and they know that too.
Trump has the means to end their civilization but he never would therefore he is bluffing like a poker player. It works because he leads people to believe that he is crazy enough to do it.
The man is totally unpredictable but totally rational. That makes people nervous and they blink.

So they’re not doing the same? Sounds like you need to make up your mind

They never had the ability, they didn’t have a nuclear weapons program and their facilities were obliterated last summer so what exactly are we doing?