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Persian Vol said:
America’s disastrous foreign policy and global imperialism dating back to coup of mossadegh and propping up the Shah to be a western puppet may have something to do with their ideological hatred of America as well.
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I don't disagree. But I am glad that you at least accept that the hatred of America is a core belief of theirs, as evidenced by those very important final two words.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Can you back this up? Which Iranian leaders said it's a holy pursuit to kill Americans?

I see Iranian leaders make threats against regimes that threaten them, yes. Kinda expect that, tho.

Bro, Hezbollah was created because Israel invaded Lebanon. Hamas was created because Israel illegally siezed Gaza. The growth of radical Islamic terrorism is a direct response to Israel and US foreign policy. It's not a response to our beliefs being different.
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They believe that jihad is something that gets them into heaven. Their history shows that they have Nations for centuries to spread Islam. To make that excuse that these terrorist groups are because of Israel is beyind stupidity
 
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kiddiedoc said:
I can't really expound on much more, but i will assure you that he/she doesn't have an agenda. I can't say anything that would be compromising.

My understanding is that the combination of extremely unstable leadership hell bent on killing infidels and progress towards nuclear capability and ICBM development is the driving factor.
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thats fair about your friend.

their leadership hasn't been very unstable, well until we started taking them out. and considering we keep poking them at some point that instability is due to us which is why my #1 was what the US does.

their network of terrorists is focused in the ME, with the least possible number of infidels, so I don't really see how anyone can claim they are "hell bent" on it.

nukes they have been two weeks away for 40 years. I kinda see it like cold fusion. yeah its possible, and yeah we are working on it, but its always one hurdle away.

ICBMs they have always had access to the Russian ones. and given the complete disappearance of their hypersonic carrier killing missiles they claimed to have, I am doubtful about exactly how far they are there too.

he is not unwise to be wary, but I just don't see a real argument for them to be number one.
 
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EasternVol said:
Hell bent on killing infidels? How’s that? Their ties with Russia and China indicate otherwise. Is your friend John Bolton?
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Can you explain to me how the the mullahs are not homicidal, suicidal maniacs. Their country and military and country has been decimated, there is no hope for them. Yet all they have to do is hand over the uranium and give up their quest for nukes and it can all end, and they won't do it. That is insane, Hitler level insane.
Make your case.
 
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EasternVol said:
When did that happen?
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Numerous times throughout their history. It’s not very common because people know converting from Islam is punishable by death.

You have Soomand in in the 90s, Mehr in the mid 90s, Tourani in the mid 2000s, and then you have Yousef Nadarkhani who has faced legal battles for nearly a decade including an overturned death sentence due to international pressure.

And related but not exactly the same (non Christian’s murdered for blasphemy) you have Mahred and Fazeli-Zare in 2023.

Seems this has a lot to do with religion, does it not?
 
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n_huffhines said:
Can you back this up? Which Iranian leaders said it's a holy pursuit to kill Americans?

I see Iranian leaders make threats against regimes that threaten them, yes. Kinda expect that, tho.

Bro, Hezbollah was created because Israel invaded Lebanon. Hamas was created because Israel illegally siezed Gaza. The growth of radical Islamic terrorism is a direct response to Israel and US foreign policy. It's not a response to our beliefs being different.
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Are you serious? It's not like they make it a secret, their jihad against the Zionists and Americans. We are the great satan and Israel is the little satan. The freaking dead ayatollah led chants of death to America in the Iranian parliament. Wow are you ignorant.
And why exactly did Israel go into Lebanon and Gaza? You never mentioned that.
 
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rikberry31 said:
Can you explain to me how the the mullahs are not homicidal, suicidal maniacs. Their country and military and country has been decimated, there is no hope for them. Yet all they have to do is hand over the uranium and give up their quest for nukes and it can all end, and they won't do it. That is insane, Hitler level insane.
Make your case.
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Calm down and stop with the straw men.
You sound like a true believer. OAN?
 
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kiddiedoc said:
“If one permits an infidel to continue in his role as a corrupter of the earth, the infidel's moral suffering will be all the worse. If one kills the infidel, and this stops him from perpetrating his misdeeds, his death will be a blessing to him.” - Ruhollah Khomeini

"To kill the infidels is one of the noblest missions God has reserved for mankind.”
- Ruhollah Khomeini

“When you chant ‘Death to America!’ It is not just a slogan. It is a policy." - Ali Khamenei

“The Iranian nation has the courage to say, ‘Death to America.’” And “Yes, it will happen. Death to America will happen.”
- Ali Khamenei
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Doc, the next question will be "Is that what they really meant?" "When they say kill they really mean 'we strongly disagree and if we did kill, it would be in a loving allah approved manner."
 
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Persian Vol said:
Of course not.
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That regime was building up arms to protect their nuclear ambitions all the while neglecting their citizens. I could go on and on about all the terrorism the regime was responsible for both in and out of Iran but you know all that

What can we do to help your people at this point? Where would you like to see us go from here?
 
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kiddiedoc said:
I don't disagree. But I am glad that you at least accept that the hatred of America is a core belief of theirs, as evidenced by those very important final two words.
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I’m not here to sympathize with the Iranian government. But it’s clearly a complicated topic that gets over simplified to “Muslims bad” more often than not here. I wouldn’t care if there weren’t posters here openly on board with eradicating all of Iran due to these hyperbolic predispositions.
 
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Sea Ray said:
That regime was building up arms to protect their nuclear ambitions all the while neglecting their citizens. I could go on and on about all the terrorism the regime was responsible for both in and out of Iran but you know all that

What can we do to help your people at this point? Where would you like to see us go from here?
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I have no idea. But if the regime stays in place after all of this, then this was a clear failure and the Iranian people will be far worse off.
 
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Persian Vol said:
I have no idea. But if the regime stays in place after all of this, then this was a clear failure and the Iranian people will be far worse off.
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It's complicated to say the least. The regime is clearly weakened. We do need to dismantle their nuclear program. If we do that then it's a huge success. Regime change is not something our country does well. That's up to the people to do. We had to fight to do it here 250 yrs ago. It was messy and a bumpy ride for 100 years. Iran will have to endure their own bumps in their road to freedom
 
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Vol8188 said:
Numerous times throughout their history. It’s not very common because people know converting from Islam is punishable by death.

You have Soomand in in the 90s, Mehr in the mid 90s, Tourani in the mid 2000s, and then you have Yousef Nadarkhani who has faced legal battles for nearly a decade including an overturned death sentence due to international pressure.

And related but not exactly the same (non Christian’s murdered for blasphemy) you have Mahred and Fazeli-Zare in 2023.

Seems this has a lot to do with religion, does it not?
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That's terrible, more on their list of atrocities. It's also not foreign policy which was the subject.
 
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rikberry31 said:
Can you explain to me how the the mullahs are not homicidal, suicidal maniacs. Their country and military and country has been decimated, there is no hope for them. Yet all they have to do is hand over the uranium and give up their quest for nukes and it can all end, and they won't do it. That is insane, Hitler level insane.
Make your case.
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from their perspective the uranium is the only thing that is going to get them free of our meddling. we have been meddling long before they started chasing nukes, so your claim that that is all we want falls well short.

in particular this admin has changed their narrative about half a dozen times about why we are there, so there is little incentive to give up the uranium as it likely doesn't fix their issue.

Our list of attacking Iran has been:
because Israel was going to.
to help the people.
regime change.
to open the straight.
to close the straight.
to stop their oil.
their nuclear program
their other weapons programs
because they are a threat.
 
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