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Ritzwatch said:
This guy is an idiot if he thinks that Israel being threatened won't lead Israel to act. He is a fool if he thinks that Israel acting won't lead Iran to respond against not only Israel, but Israel's allies. He is a moron if he doesn't think US interests can be threatened even if the US mainland remains safe.

There may be reasons to criticize what we are doing right now, but saying that the US wouldn't be threated by Iran if Israel attacked is idiocy. Heck, Iran is bombing other middle eastern countries! They sure aren't going to not try to kill Americans, whether we joined Israel or not.
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I don't see Iran attacking China or Russia right now. Maybe we shouldn't be allies with a psycho state like Israel if they're gonna start wars with other psycho countries like Iran who will attack us just for being associated with the psychotic Israeli regime.

We have no reason to be fighting wars on behalf of Israel. Our soldiers lives aren't worth it.
 
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Ritzwatch said:
I suspect we may have, and Israel said, “Meh.” They likely saw this as a once-in-a-lifetime (no pun intended) opportunity.

At that point, entanglements became destiny - on all sides.

For better or for worse, as they say.
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No. Israel sees the American people are waking up. For the first time ever more Americans are sympathetic with the Palestinians than the Israelis. They see young conservatives waking up to the reality of Israeli influence over our government and they know the era of a pro-Israel Congress will soon be coming to an end. They saw this as their last opportunity to drag America into another deadly war in the Middle East. Because after this next election it'll be over the Israel First movement.

I predict that hardline anti-Israel politicians like Thomas Massie will take over Congress over the next 2 election cycles.
 
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allstar34 said:
Are we just going to allow these strike to continue to happen? Why are these people not turned to ash yet?
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I thought we were trying to free the Iranian people? Now you want us to start killing civilians as retaliation? Remember we already took out most of Iran's leadership. If you just start killing civilians all you'll do is solidify their opposition to us. This is what is called being in-between a rock and a hard place.
Iran can inflict punishment on us to make us quit but we can't necessarily inflict punishment on them to make them quit because they're not the ones on offense. They're on defense. All they need to do it wait for us to quit and they win.
 
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OldVol said:
Yeah, 2 entirely different scenarios. North Korea is driven by a single authoritarian with nothing to motivate his masses. Iran, with their Shiite brand of hardline Islam has millions of fanatics who would die for the opportunity to destroy Israel. The hope is that their are enough children and grandchildren of the Shah’s reign to foster the younger generation’s hunger for freedom like they had under the Shah. Pictures of Iran pre-revolution are amazing. They truly had a paradise with oil money flowing to the people, not to fanatical death squads.
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Do they?
 
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ButchPlz said:
I've been called both an insane liberal and a "Nick Fuentes type" in this thread just because I'm sick of all the crap.

I feel like the average age here is in the 50s. It's clear these people haven't talked to anyone younger than 35, since they keep calling me "extreme". What brand of "extreme", I'll never know.

Extremely rad, maybe.
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We're dealing with delusional boomers here who only watch Fox News. They're totally clueless about how people 40 and under think. Especially conservatives. This entire generation is done with Israel and Middle East wars. The boomers are just brainwashed by decades of propaganda.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
The USS Gerald Ford is the newest, most expensive, and most advanced carrier. My argument was never that we left our bases in the Gulf defenseless. My argument was we prioritized protecting Israeli lives over American lives by stationing our most advanced carrier next to Israel rather than in the Gulf protecting our soldiers.

How about we give Israel those less advanced carriers and put our crown jewel carrier in the Gulf so it can protect our actual soldiers rather than the Israelis. This is about priorities. And its clear that our government is prioritizing the safety of Israel over the safety of our troops in the Gulf.
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Having grown up a Navy brat, I honestly don't think you are familiar with Navy strategy. Just where do you think our most advanced and important carrier should be? Part of where it's currently deployed is about protecting it and the crew onboard.
 
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ButchPlz said:
Galatians 3:16 and 3:28 (really the whole of Galatians 3) describes who God's chosen people are and the meaning of Jesus. Have you read that part of the Bible? Have you had a preacher preach anything on that section? Right now, you are explicitly elevating a human government and a bunch of other failed humans over Jesus Christ. We call that idolatry, bordering on outright blasphemy.

This is not even basic Christianity. This is fundamental stuff that a child understands- be more like the child. Someone told you that once. I've never met a child that wants people dead.

I'll genuinely pray for you, and I mean it, because like someone else said, I think you're pretty decent.
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Oh OK. So it's your reading comprehension that is the issue. Now I understand.

There is nowhere in my post that I mentioned or even implied that I wanted anyone to die. In fact...I said the EXACT opposite. That around 2 years into this nonsense, that Israel should drop pamphlets (like they have in the past, see: 6 day war) and tell everyone for a week to evacuate that tiny 3mile x 20 mile area. Mathematically in an area only 20 miles long...not 1 single person there could be more than ~10 miles from entering either Jordan or Egypt. Both of which are their Muslim brethren. Humans average walking 3miles per hour...IF the person's In question didnt have a car, scooter, bike, public transport, or some other means to travel the 10miles at most (3hour walk) to get out of Gaza. I think "even a child" would say that anyone could manage to cover 10miles in 7days. I bet you could crawl 10miles in a day or 2...especially if your life depended on it.

So after the 7day period I clearly stated in my post...Israel should flood the extensive tunnel system beneath Gaza built by the terrorists...with ocean water. Leave them that way. Then bomb, bulldoze, and level everything in Gaza. As I said previously. Its an area of roughly 60square miles which is smaller than many US cities and military bases. Use all that concrete and rebar to stop erosion on that coastline or wherever else it is best used.

Never once did I call for those occupying Gaza to be killed. They should have gotten the Hell out a long time ago though. That land is Israel. It belongs to them. While every one who occupied Gaza is not Hamas...I have seen polls that show 70%plus approval rating from that population. Also seen videos of them training elementary school kids that the greatest thing they can do in life is kill Jews. Those videos are easy to find. 7 and 8year olds with AK47s. Those people aren't gonna change because of their garbage religion. They need to evacuate.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Oh OK. So it's your reading comprehension that is the issue. Now I understand.

There is nowhere in my post that I mentioned or even implied that I wanted anyone to die. In fact...I said the EXACT opposite. That around 2 years into this nonsense, that Israel should drop pamphlets (like they have in the past, see: 6 day war) and tell everyone for a week to evacuate that tiny 3mile x 20 mile area. Mathematically in an area only 20 miles long...not 1 single person there could be more than ~10 miles from entering either Jordan or Egypt. Both of which are their Muslim brethren. Humans average walking 3miles per hour...IF the person's In question didnt have a car, scooter, bike, public transport, or some other means to travel the 10miles at most (3hour walk) to get out of Gaza. I think "even a child" would say that anyone could manage to cover 10miles in 7days. I bet you could crawl 10miles in a day or 2...especially if your life depended on it.

So after the 7day period I clearly stated in my post...Israel should flood the extensive tunnel system beneath Gaza built by the terrorists...with ocean water. Leave them that way. Then bomb, bulldoze, and level everything in Gaza. As I said previously. Its an area of roughly 60square miles which is smaller than many US cities and military bases. Use all that concrete and rebar to stop erosion on that coastline or wherever else it is best used.

Never once did I call for those occupying Gaza to be killed. They should have gotten the Hell out a long time ago though. That land is Israel. It belongs to them. While every one who occupied Gaza is not Hamas...I have seen polls that show 70%plus approval rating from that population. Also seen videos of them training elementary school kids that the greatest thing they can do in life is kill Jews. Those videos are easy to find. 7 and 8year olds with AK47s. Those people aren't gonna change because of their garbage religion. They need to evacuate.
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Is the Gaza -Jordan border in the room with you now?
You know when you abandon property for so long you lose title. It's ludicrous to think someone who's basically European whose family hadn't been in the Levant for going on 2,000 years has a right to the land over someone whose family's been in the region for many generations, and who likely is a descendant of the people you thing God granted the land.
To think that an area that size could be ethnicly cleansed without massive casualties is, to be polite, unrealistic.
 
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AIPAC (American Israel Public Affairs Committee) has significantly increased its political influence, with lobbying expenditures typically in the range of
$2 million to over $3.5 million per year, as reported in recent years. However, this figure represents only a small portion of their total political spending, which has reached over $100 million in recent election cycles through their PAC and Super PAC for campaigns.
 
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Here’s a video showing one of the jets right before impact (if legit). I’ve been wondering what the posture was of the aircraft’s and it appears this aircraft was flying straight and level not defending. I guess we will find out one day if the military releases their findings.
 
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Orangeburst said:
AIPAC (American Israel Public Affairs Committee) has significantly increased its political influence, with lobbying expenditures typically in the range of
$2 million to over $3.5 million per year, as reported in recent years. However, this figure represents only a small portion of their total political spending, which has reached over $100 million in recent election cycles through their PAC and Super PAC for campaigns.
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$100 million to buy our representatives’ votes isn’t chicken feed. Then there are the other such groups. Such funding regardless of the foreign entity’s a problem.
 
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Orangeburst said:
AIPAC (American Israel Public Affairs Committee) has significantly increased its political influence, with lobbying expenditures typically in the range of
$2 million to over $3.5 million per year, as reported in recent years. However, this figure represents only a small portion of their total political spending, which has reached over $100 million in recent election cycles through their PAC and Super PAC for campaigns.
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George Soros is a major Democratic donor, with contributions totaling hundreds of millions over his lifetime. In the 2022 cycle alone, he gave over $170 million to Democratic campaigns and PACs, including $125 million to a single super PAC. His nonprofit, Democracy PAC, also acts as a major funding vehicle for Democratic causes.
CNBC +2

Key details of Soros's political donations include:
  • 2022 Midterms: Soros was a top donor, contributing roughly $50 million to Democratic-aligned groups, including $14 million to the Senate Majority PAC and $5 million to the House Majority PAC.
  • 2020 Election:He contributed more than $28 million to Democratic groups, including $7 million to Priorities USA Action and $5 million to Senate Majority PAC
    .
    • Historical Giving: Between 2004 and 2008, he donated $32.2 million to 527 committees.

    • Funding Vehicles: He frequently uses his nonprofits, such as Democracy PAC, to fund Democratic, liberal, and progressive causes, contributing $140 million in 2021 alone.
      CNBC
      CNBC +3

 
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Matt2496 said:
I'm glad we took out Khameini, but I wonder what the US's end game is with all of this. Are we just going to continue striking hoping that the Iranian people rise up and take control? That doesn't sound like a very good plan to me.
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Knowing Trump, the plan is there is no plan. He will continue to talk about the nonexistent plan beyond “attack Iran”, but at this point, if Iranians fail to overturn their government, Trump becomes stuck between a rock and a hard place.

No revolt = no regime change.

The only way regime change would therefore occur - in all likelihood - is by the United States putting boots on the ground. Are there any examples in history of regime change for an authoritarian country of nearly 100 million people occurring without doing so?

And this of course means full on war. And lots of American casualties against the backdrop of the United States populous that already largely opposes going to war with Iran.

Alternatively, Trump tucks tail and simply declares victory (whatever that is, given no regime change) and pulls our troops out. What’s the likelihood of that?
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Oh OK. So it's your reading comprehension that is the issue. Now I understand.

There is nowhere in my post that I mentioned or even implied that I wanted anyone to die. In fact...I said the EXACT opposite. That around 2 years into this nonsense, that Israel should drop pamphlets (like they have in the past, see: 6 day war) and tell everyone for a week to evacuate that tiny 3mile x 20 mile area. Mathematically in an area only 20 miles long...not 1 single person there could be more than ~10 miles from entering either Jordan or Egypt. Both of which are their Muslim brethren. Humans average walking 3miles per hour...IF the person's In question didnt have a car, scooter, bike, public transport, or some other means to travel the 10miles at most (3hour walk) to get out of Gaza. I think "even a child" would say that anyone could manage to cover 10miles in 7days. I bet you could crawl 10miles in a day or 2...especially if your life depended on it.

So after the 7day period I clearly stated in my post...Israel should flood the extensive tunnel system beneath Gaza built by the terrorists...with ocean water. Leave them that way. Then bomb, bulldoze, and level everything in Gaza. As I said previously. Its an area of roughly 60square miles which is smaller than many US cities and military bases. Use all that concrete and rebar to stop erosion on that coastline or wherever else it is best used.

Never once did I call for those occupying Gaza to be killed. They should have gotten the Hell out a long time ago though. That land is Israel. It belongs to them. While every one who occupied Gaza is not Hamas...I have seen polls that show 70%plus approval rating from that population. Also seen videos of them training elementary school kids that the greatest thing they can do in life is kill Jews. Those videos are easy to find. 7 and 8year olds with AK47s. Those people aren't gonna change because of their garbage religion. They need to evacuate.
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"I didn't call for killing, just ethnic cleansing of Gaza. The Christian thing to do 😇"
 
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rekinhavoc said:
George Soros is a major Democratic donor, with contributions totaling hundreds of millions over his lifetime. In the 2022 cycle alone, he gave over $170 million to Democratic campaigns and PACs, including $125 million to a single super PAC. His nonprofit, Democracy PAC, also acts as a major funding vehicle for Democratic causes.
CNBC +2

Key details of Soros's political donations include:
  • 2022 Midterms: Soros was a top donor, contributing roughly $50 million to Democratic-aligned groups, including $14 million to the Senate Majority PAC and $5 million to the House Majority PAC.
  • 2020 Election:He contributed more than $28 million to Democratic groups, including $7 million to Priorities USA Action and $5 million to Senate Majority PAC
    .
    • Historical Giving: Between 2004 and 2008, he donated $32.2 million to 527 committees.

    • Funding Vehicles: He frequently uses his nonprofits, such as Democracy PAC, to fund Democratic, liberal, and progressive causes, contributing $140 million in 2021 alone.
      CNBC
      CNBC +3

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Elon Musk donated over $290M to Trump in just 2024

 
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Orangeburst said:
AIPAC (American Israel Public Affairs Committee) has significantly increased its political influence, with lobbying expenditures typically in the range of
$2 million to over $3.5 million per year, as reported in recent years. However, this figure represents only a small portion of their total political spending, which has reached over $100 million in recent election cycles through their PAC and Super PAC for campaigns.
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You should read your second sentence
 
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CagleMtnVol said:
Anyone who doesn't think "Iran has been waging war on us for 47 years." aren't serious people.
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Walsh is 100% right about this
You and I both know that you are latching onto a talking point you never used until 45 seconds ago. You and I both know that almost every conservative influencer in the business was opposed to war with Iran until just now.
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Trump in Venezuela:

Deposes President, gives power right back to regime (Vice President).

Trump in Iran:

Kills President, gives power “to people”.

Iranian mistrust seems understandable.

Trump isn’t trustworthy. And plus it’s likely presumed by Iranian citizens that literally nobody’s got their back.

Remember, if the military doesn’t turn, then we’re basically asking regular citizens to take up arms against the military-backed government. Not an easy task.
 
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