10,000 kids in the portal

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Godfatha said:
With congress you’ll have a 1000 page law that fixes nothing and only makes it worse, and they’ll probably throw a few billion worth of pork in it
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Ordinarily, I'd agree with you but there is mass cognitive dissonance on this subject. Congress is already involved, it's Congress's law (Antitrust) or rather the Courts interpretation of it, that has made college sports ungovernable. Only Congress can change it. The Supreme Court said as much. No one else even has the power. The collective bargaining thing isn't going to work because of Title IX. The revenue sports will have to break away from the universities to escape Title IX. Without the association with the universities, the sport is over. It's just minor league baseball. The non-revenue sports will be gone.

I don't have alot of faith in Congress either but they are the only ones who can do anything, that's how bad the situation is. CFB is on an airplane with a bunch of people in a coma and one drunk pilot. The drunk pilot is the only chance. Lol. People have got to realize what the situation is so that the right pressure can be put on Congress. If people remain in denial and don't understand the problem, Congress will just do whatever is easiest for them. I'm not optimistic, especially if the public never even identifies the nature of the problem. Congress eventually acting is inevitable though. They'll act to save the non-revenue sports, otherwise we won't have much of an Olympic team, not to mention all those scholarships getting flushed for young men and women with no chance to go pro. Congress, however incompetent, is that drunk pilot on the plane full of comatose people though, they are the only chance.
 
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LittleVol said:
This is called “FOMO”
(Fear of Missing Out)

Kids think that the market is full of money.
What they don’t understand is that the number of slots on a football team has not changed comparative to their level of competition.
These kids are stupid.

And here is the MORE important thing.
The more kids jump ship for fortune as time expires, the EASIER it will get to land players because all 10,000 of these kids need new homes.
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I've referred to this mess as a big game of musical chairs. The more kids that enter this 'game', the more that will be begging for scraps once the music stops.

Either this will be somehow brought under control, or the only other way it slows down are if more and more kids lose good situations and are left settling for less desirable spots. Much more likely is that is wishful thinking, as greed (of players, families and, of course, agents) begets greed.
 
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VolBricks said:
We need congress to make some rules.
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Oh yeah, they'll do a bangup job just based on their competence in being able to even do the most basic of their jobs, like pass a damn budget.

Please stop with government being an answer to anything.
 
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BigBadVol said:
Why do people think government is the answer? Government doesn’t give a shat about any of us.
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Never have and never will, but the public has been trained to believe they are somehow the 'solution' to every problem.
 
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sami said:
I've referred to this mess as a big game of musical chairs. The more kids that enter this 'game', the more that will be begging for scraps once the music stops.

Either this will be somehow brought under control, or the only other way it slows down are if more and more kids lose good situations and are left settling for less desirable spots. Much more likely is that is wishful thinking, as greed (of players, families and, of course, agents) begets greed.
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There are a finite number of kids and chairs. Not all the chairs are at the DI level, which is the best part. Kids from chairs in lower divisions have an opportunity to grab a seat in DI. That what makes this a great opportunity for all the kids. Some have an opportunity to showcase their skills on the big stage, like Kieonte Scott, JA, DP, and Trinidad Chambliss. Some kids aren't quite ready, so they go to a lower division to develop. It provides a better product on the field, and helps kids develop. A win win for everyone, except old people that don't like change.
 
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sami said:
Oh yeah, they'll do a bangup job just based on their competence in being able to even do the most basic of their jobs, like pass a damn budget.

Please stop with government being an answer to anything.
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Y'all aren't grasping the situation, Congress is already involved. It is their Antitrust law that has made college sports ungovernable, only they can change it. No other body or organization has the power to do anything. As I said in the lengthier post above, I ordinarily agree Congress is hopeless but that's how bad the situation is. CFB is like an airplane with a bunch of comatose people on board and one drunk pilot (Congress). The drunk pilot is the only chance.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
There are a finite number of kids and chairs. Not all the chairs are at the DI level, which is the best part. Kids from chairs in lower divisions have an opportunity to grab a seat in DI. That what makes this a great opportunity for all the kids. Some have an opportunity to showcase their skills on the big stage, like Kieonte Scott, JA, DP, and Trinidad Chambliss. Some kids aren't quite ready, so they go to a lower division to develop. It provides a better product on the field, and helps kids develop. A win win for everyone, except old people that don't like change.
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First of all, drop the straw man - this isn't about "old people that don't like change", and you can drop the lecturing tone. No one with any sense has an issue with kids finally getting a piece of the pie or FCS and D2 kids getting an opportunity, but this thing has spiraled out of control.

There is a finite number of chairs, but many of them will be taken every year by incoming freshmen, so the number available to transfers is reduced every year. There are going to be more and more kids steered out of good situations that will be left begging for a spot, and ending up in a worse place for their development.
 
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sami said:
First of all, drop the straw man - this isn't about "old people that don't like change", and you can drop the lecturing tone. No one with any sense has an issue with kids finally getting a piece of the pie or FCS and D2 kids getting an opportunity, but this thing has spiraled out of control.

There is a finite number of chairs, but many of them will be taken every year by incoming freshmen, so the number available to transfers is reduced every year. There are going to be more and more kids steered out of good situations that will be left begging for a spot, and ending up in a worse place for their development.
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Stop being a drama Queen, Mary. I am always stern when dealing with hysterical people. It is not the end of the world. It's football. Just like there are incoming freshman, there are seniors and juniors that leave. There are kids that give up football altogether. Ebbs and flows and it all balances out. Students transfer colleges all the time. Do you all panic when that happens?
 
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VolBricks said:
We need congress to make some rules.
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Yeaahhhhh

We all know that the government is the most efficient and logical way to solve the problem.

You want college athletics to not exist period in 10 years-step one is getting those idiots involved.

I must admit though that the sight of Elizabeth Warren and Lindsey Graham arguing about mens college athletics could be extremely entertaining. Neither could throw a football more than three yards if their lives depended on it and both likely shoot free throws "granny style"

(This is in no way intended to be a political post. I simply picked a person from each party who most likely knows absolutely nothing about sports in order to highlight the absolute absurdity of the situation)
 
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stolitonic said:
Yeaahhhhh

We all know that the government is the most efficient and logical way to solve the problem.

You want college athletics to not exist period in 10 years-step one is getting those idiots involved.

I must admit though that the sight of Elizabeth Warren and Lindsey Graham arguing about mens college athletics could be extremely entertaining. Neither could throw a football more than three yards if their lives depended on it and both likely shoot free throws "granny style"

(This is in no way intended to be a political post. I simply picked a person from each party who most likely knows absolutely nothing about sports in order to highlight the absolute absurdity of the situation)
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Again, y'all aren't grasping the situation, Congress is already involved. It is their Antitrust law that has made college sports ungovernable, only they can change it. No other body or organization has the power to do anything. As I said in the lengthier post above, I ordinarily agree Congress is hopeless but that's how bad the situation is. CFB is like an airplane with a bunch of comatose people on board and one drunk pilot (Congress). The drunk pilot is the only chance.
 
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BradstarVols said:
College football is becoming less and less interesting to me as it becomes more and more based on money for the players. It's worse than the NFL now. At least with the NFL players have multiple year contracts so you can expect players to be on a team for a certain period of time 🤷
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IMO the playoffs are a success this year. Can’t wait to tune in tonight. It also shows me that with a few pieces we can immediately upgrade and be in this same spot. Having the potential to immediately compete without enduring a 3-5 year rebuild is exciting. The disconnect between players is the downside but it’s the same in professional sports at the trade deadline.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
10,000 is like the total number of FBS players or close to it. If you divide 10,000 by 85 you get 117 and change. OP misheard something and vomited it onto the board.
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I would have thought he might respond and own it.

I don't know what I was thinking.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
10,000 is like the total number of FBS players or close to it. If you divide 10,000 by 85 you get 117 and change. OP misheard something and vomited it onto the board.
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I have no idea what the number is, but there are a bunch of FCS and D2 players in the portal also. The point is that it’s a big number and a huge number of them aren’t going to have the landing that they want.
 
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There certainly will be cases of players entering the portal, overestimating their value, and finding out the grass isn't always greener. I remember there have been a few players who have portaled out of UT, only to not find a spot or to land somewhere in a worse situation than they had at UT. I'm sure that is occurring everywhere.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
Y'all aren't grasping the situation, Congress is already involved. It is their Antitrust law that has made college sports ungovernable, only they can change it. No other body or organization has the power to do anything. As I said in the lengthier post above, I ordinarily agree Congress is hopeless but that's how bad the situation is. CFB is like an airplane with a bunch of comatose people on board and one drunk pilot (Congress). The drunk pilot is the only chance.
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Yeah when people say Congress will have to fix it, no one is asking Congress to write some new laws. It's that Congress already has the law in place and the only ones that can grant it, they will have to grant the NCAA an AntiTrust or limited AntiTrust exemption so that some actually enforceable rules can be put in place, transfer rules,salary caps, NIL was always a marketing thing until recently where it's pay for play, kids would still be able to get NIL but it would be more inline with how the NFL.NBA etc players have an agent and that person advertises it. I haven't seen one UT player advertise anything on this end of the state. Also the exemption will be needed because something will have to be done because of Title IX.
 
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TheVolsFrog said:
Yeah when people say Congress will have to fix it, no one is asking Congress to write some new laws. It's that Congress already has the law in place and the only ones that can grant it, they will have to grant the NCAA an AntiTrust or limited AntiTrust exemption so that some actually enforceable rules can be put in place, transfer rules,salary caps, NIL was always a marketing thing until recently where it's pay for play, kids would still be able to get NIL but it would be more inline with how the NFL.NBA etc players have an agent and that person advertises it. I haven't seen one UT player advertise anything on this end of the state. Also the exemption will be needed because something will have to be done because of Title IX.
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💯 correct. There's too much money at stake. They will fix it, not sure why everyone is up in arms. There are other pressing matters, I'm spitballing here. I was watching the news, and CFB is down on the list of priorities, I'm just saying.
 
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TheVolsFrog said:
It’s crazy. It used to be they entered the portal because they wanted to start some place but now you got starters and would be starters jumping ship and they’re jumping from good schools
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SCHOOLS!!! Hel- most of these guys don't even know what kind of school they are going to play for. It's not a school to them, it's a program/organization just like pro ball that happens to be on a school campus.
 
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They have to draw the line at NIL/3rd party involvement/ameturisim and pay for play. If it's going to be NIL then it needs to be some kind of product base that is actually NAME, IMAGE, LIKENESS related where is more along the lines of profit sharing from 3rd parties? Or take the amateur out of it and do pay for play with contacts and salary caps.
 
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SubVet676 said:
It's too late for that, and in any event, Congress screws up many more issues than they fix. I trust Congress with CFB about as much as I trust Lane Kiffin with a deaf and blind hooker.

College Football...well, the FBS at least, is now the NFL Developmental League. And there is no getting that horse back in the barn. So just accept it for what it is.

I have no idea what the final product will look like. But the FBS is now the NFL minor league, and I expect that when they finally sort it out, it will be based on the NFL model when it comes to contracts (NIL) and free agency (transfer portal). And yes, there will be a Commissioner of the FBS. The NCAA will continue to exist, but it's role in the FBS will be diminished to that of a figurehead. And rightfully so.

It is what it is. If you don't like it...and for the record I don't...find an FCS or lower division team to cheer for.

We went with ETSU and Carson-Newman. Still a Vol fan...always will be...but I'm not wasting what time I have left, spending any more money on, or agonizing over the fortunes of a thing that no longer exists. We can spend an entire, enjoyable weekend in Johnson or Jefferson City, and watch football players play for the love of their team, for less than it would cost us just to park and watch a UT home game from nosebleed seats. For us, it's an easy decision.

But to each their own. Find what works for you, and enjoy it. Try to remember those days when watching college football was fun.
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The sobering truth of the matter.
Tip of the hat to you, good sir. Your words are wise and received well.
ETSU, hmm?
Go Bucs!!!
 
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