10,000 kids in the portal

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LittleVol said:
This is called “FOMO”
(Fear of Missing Out)

Kids think that the market is full of money.
What they don’t understand is that the number of slots on a football team has not changed comparative to their level of competition.
These kids are stupid.

And here is the MORE important thing.
The more kids jump ship for fortune as time expires, the EASIER it will get to land players because all 10,000 of these kids need new homes.
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What they are not being told going into the portal is that once they declare and enter that portal, funds and scholly's cease. Now they have to pay rent, school, etc. Then they don't get picked up in the portal....the portal is a graveyard of former players who once had scholarships and free education.

I speculate that Lance Heard may well end up with a deal worse than what he had, and he will have to take it and look stupid becasue he was stupid.

I think the pay for play market is already in self correcting mode as Aikman and others are holding out funds because their money is basically just stolen. I see no way in my mind how NIL donors see any worth or ROI on their money. Waste of time and personal wealth to invest in these players. It's fruitless.
 
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GVF said:
What they are not being told going into the portal is that once they declare and enter that portal, funds and scholly's cease. Now they have to pay rent, school, etc. Then they don't get picked up in the portal....the portal is a graveyard of former players who once had scholarships and free education.

I speculate that Lance Heard may well end up with a deal worse than what he had, and he will have to take it and look stupid becasue he was stupid.

I think the pay for play market is already in self correcting mode as Aikman and others are holding out funds because their money is basically just stolen. I see no way in my mind how NIL donors see any worth or ROI on their money. Waste of time and personal wealth to invest in these players. It's fruitless.
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But why should NIL donors foot the bill? Why should the fans foot the bill? CFB is a multimillion dollar business. It basically has the same business model as the NFL, without the profit sharing aspect. If paying players would cause CFB to collapse, that means the CFB survived by exploiting young men without compensation. I don't think that's true. The schools and athletic departments need to revise their business model to distribute some of the profits to the players. This is 2026, we can't be out here exploiting people. That way kids from.smaller schools, get an appropriate amount based on the profit that school creates. It's not hard, but they don't want too.
 
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I think we can all agree that, in its current state, the portal and NIL is not sustainable much longer. I get it that there is so many legal issues with paying players in an open market with no distinctions on ametuer-professionsal, $ limits that its a legal mess without an outside party intervening and that unfortunately is Congress.

Thanks NCAA, in your usual incompetence you created a total mess of CFB.
 
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Need contracts. NIL isn’t killing college football, it’s the ability for players to leave on a whim. You sign a letter of intent, you get an NIL deal for the amount that was promised, you give that school 2 years or you forfeit a percentage of the money. College football is now a professional sport, make it official on paper.
 
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rocketskates said:
Need contracts. NIL isn’t killing college football, it’s the ability for players to leave on a whim. You sign a letter of intent, you get an NIL deal for the amount that was promised, you give that school 2 years or you forfeit a percentage of the money. College football is now a professional sport, make it official on paper.
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I'd like to see contracts to recruits where you double your money each year you stay (or something) and then also bonuses for productivity.
 
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rocketskates said:
Need contracts. NIL isn’t killing college football, it’s the ability for players to leave on a whim. You sign a letter of intent, you get an NIL deal for the amount that was promised, you give that school 2 years or you forfeit a percentage of the money. College football is now a professional sport, make it official on paper.
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Why? Why do they have to stay 2 years? So the coach can't recruit over them for 2 years either? That sounds, weird. How can you make your roster better if people are stuck for 2 years? I mean if a non contributor is on your roster for 2 years, how does that benefit anyone?
 
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NCFisher said:
Can you detail a little how you see that being feasible?
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Sure. That is the real question. This is just my opinion...
With players no longer being considered amateur and now considered as professionals (same as coaches), it stands to reason that contracts, buyouts, performance based NIL would be implemented.
Players are paid to participate and perform.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
💯 correct. There's too much money at stake. They will fix it, not sure why everyone is up in arms. There are other pressing matters, I'm spitballing here. I was watching the news, and CFB is down on the list of priorities, I'm just saying.
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Yeah, eventually it's going to reach critical mass though when the non-revenue sports collapse, all those scholarships for people with no chance of going pro go away and we won't be able to field an Olympic team. They'll have to act then. People need to realize what the situation is though so that the right pressure can be applied to Congress by people who actually love the game.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
Why? Why do they have to stay 2 years? So the coach can't recruit over them for 2 years either? That sounds, weird. How can you make your roster better if people are stuck for 2 years? I mean if a non contributor is on your roster for 2 years, how does that benefit anyone?
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Just an example instead of saying 4. There needs to be a specified time of service in the contract just like a NFL contract. It’s not good that a freshman can come in, sit on the bench for a year, collect a million dollars and then go elsewhere the next season.
 
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rocketskates said:
Need contracts. NIL isn’t killing college football, it’s the ability for players to leave on a whim. You sign a letter of intent, you get an NIL deal for the amount that was promised, you give that school 2 years or you forfeit a percentage of the money. College football is now a professional sport, make it official on paper.
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This is where I’m at as well. Contracts and collective bargaining agreements would fix most problems with the portal at this time. I really hope that the Demond Williams situation will force changes there, Washington seems very intent to fight over it.

NIL is a good thing. Most of these kids will never see a football field after college, so I think they’re wise to get their money now. But there needs to at least be an air of professionalism to this whole thing.
 
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rocketskates said:
Need contracts. NIL isn’t killing college football, it’s the ability for players to leave on a whim. You sign a letter of intent, you get an NIL deal for the amount that was promised, you give that school 2 years or you forfeit a percentage of the money. College football is now a professional sport, make it official on paper.
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I thought it was ruled that NIL can't tie you to a school
 
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The sad part is most of the kids here won’t get a deal and find another college and lose their current scholarship.
 
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VolFanNC09 said:
The sad part is most of the kids here won’t get a deal and find another college and lose their current scholarship.
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Isn't that the same risk they take when they enter the draft? Don't we take the same risk when we accept a new job offer at a new company? Life is full of risks and choices.
 
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The Tall Gguy said:
Sure. That is the real question. This is just my opinion...
With players no longer being considered amateur and now considered as professionals (same as coaches), it stands to reason that contracts, buyouts, performance based NIL would be implemented.
Players are paid to participate and perform.
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NCAA bylaws don't allow NILs to do that, that is openly structuring pay for play deals. If the schools and NCAA want to declare players employees, then that can happen.
Revenue sharing plans can have a performance component, but has a $20.5M cap to serve all sports teams at a school.

Until the NCAA - and/or schools break from the NCAA - and decide players are employees, NILs cannot contain performance or buyout provisions. They are simply promotional agreements with 3rd parties.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
Isn't that the same risk they take when they enter the draft? Don't we take the same risk when we accept a new job offer at a new company? Life is full of risks and choices.
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The entering draft risk may not be a thing much longer. NCAA already messed that up when they allowed the basketball player that was drafted by the NBA to return after he played professionally in Europe, he didn't sign a NBA deal however
 
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NCFisher said:
NCAA bylaws don't allow NILs to do that, that is openly structuring pay for play deals. If the schools and NCAA want to declare players employees, then that can happen.
Revenue sharing plans can have a performance component, but has a $20.5M cap to serve all sports teams at a school.

Until the NCAA - and/or schools break from the NCAA - and decide players are employees, NILs cannot contain performance or buyout provisions. They are simply promotional agreements with 3rd parties.
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Washington is looking at suing Demond Williams for that. He signed a revenue sharing and NIL deal and then said he was entering the portal
 
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TheVolsFrog said:
Washington is looking at suing Demond Williams for that. He signed a revenue sharing and NIL deal and then said he was entering the portal
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Good, and that highlights the difference between the two types of agreements. Schools should enforce their revenue-sharing contracts.

However - and you seem to know - NIL agreements are between players and private interests and cannot demand such. Schools have no protection in NIL agreements because they aren't party to the agreements.

Getting that point across would maybe eliminate the 10,000th "here's what needs to be done about the ruination of college football" posts and threads that are just uninformed belly-aching junking up the conversation.
 
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NCFisher said:
Good, and that highlights the difference between the two types of agreements. Schools should enforce their revenue-sharing contracts.

However - and you seem to know - NIL agreements are between players and private interests and cannot demand such. Schools have no protection in NIL agreements because they aren't party to the agreements.

Getting that point across would maybe eliminate the 10,000th "here's what needs to be done about the ruination of college football" posts and threads that are just uninformed belly-aching junking up the conversation.
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Exactly so if you're a player that may waffle back and forth on his decision, it's best not to take the revenue sharing deal unless you have an escape clause or know for sure that's where you want to be before taking a schools money
 
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