10,000 kids in the portal

[TennesseeTarheel]

We need congress to make some rules.

Term limits.

 

[10seV4L]

It's kind of discouraging to see most of the players from the Vols roster who've hopped in the portal, find adjacent, lateral landing spots, while we watch our Vols reel in a fraction to replenish a/o replace.
Other SEC teams seem to think the talent we're letting go is worth coaching-up. However, it doesn't appear to work the other way for us, vice versa...

 

[NEO]

Ok serious question.

100 teams with 100 players is 10k.

How can so many players be in the portal?

 

[sami]

Stop being a drama Queen, Mary. I am always stern when dealing with hysterical people. It is not the end of the world. It's football. Just like there are incoming freshman, there are seniors and juniors that leave. There are kids that give up football altogether. Ebbs and flows and it all balances out. Students transfer colleges all the time. Do you all panic when that happens?

Who's being a drama queen, and who's hysterical or panicking? It's a discussion, which you are clearly not aware of since you would prefer to simply lecture in your "stern" manner. They could shut the whole damn thing down tomorrow and I honestly wouldn't give a rat's ass. But if you learn how to have an actual conversation, come back and we'll continue.

 

[sami]

It's kind of discouraging to see most of the players from the Vols roster who've hopped in the portal, find adjacent, lateral landing spots, while we watch our Vols reel in a fraction to replenish a/o replace.
Other SEC teams seem to think the talent we're letting go is worth coaching-up. However, it doesn't appear to work the other way for us, vice versa...

Or, the coaches believe that we have young talent ready to step up in many areas and didn't feel that paying what the outgoing players were asking was worth the investment.

Honestly, the only player whose loss kind of hurt was Jordan Ross, who was set to step in at starting LEO. My guess is that Heard and Herring wanted more money than the coaches felt they were worth.

 

[10seV4L]

Or, the coaches believe that we have young talent ready to step up in many areas and didn't feel that paying what the outgoing players were asking was worth the investment.

Honestly, the only player whose loss kind of hurt was Jordan Ross, who was set to step in at starting LEO. My guess is that Heard and Herring wanted more money than the coaches felt they were worth.

I appreciate the suggestion and cause for hope. Let's see how this theory ages though.
Also, was that the plan with the safety positions last year? And what about the DTs, same? Because this appears eerily similar to the way we have been the past two years regarding the portal losses and acquisitions (or lack thereof).
Why should we assume their going to get different results, with the same ol', mid kinda activity in and out of the portal. There are several teams working real-time strategies, moving and shaking in the portal for upgrades and fill-ins. The Vols are not one of them, by any metric

 

[VolInNW]

Who's being a drama queen, and who's hysterical or panicking? It's a discussion, which you are clearly not aware of since you would prefer to simply lecture in your "stern" manner. They could shut the whole damn thing down tomorrow and I honestly wouldn't give a rat's ass. But if you learn how to have an actual conversation, come back and we'll continue.

You're up against what I have termed the "Reasonable Vol Fan". It's a subset of Pumper that always finds strategy in a coaching decision, and strongly attacks personally any fan who disagrees with the coach or admin. They couch it in 'calm down' and 'don't be a drama queen' type language. It's a form of gaslighting based in an unwavering belief that coaches always know better than any fan. Fascinating. I wish I shared their optimism, though I really don't understand the ad hominems.

I appreciate the suggestion and cause for hope. Let's see how this theory ages though.
Also, was that the plan with the safety positions last year? And what about the DTs, same? Because this appears eerily similar to the way we have been the past two years regarding the portal losses and acquisitions (or lack thereof).
Why should we assume their going to get different results, with the same ol', mid kinda activity in and out of the portal. There are several teams working real-time strategies, moving and shaking in the portal for upgrades and fill-ins. The Vols are not one of them, by any metric

I'm really starting to wonder if Heupel is just gonna play out his contract, bank another 40-50 million, then move to G5 positions where he can semi retire and enjoy life. Heck, he may have the best idea of anyone in this crazy NIL world.

 

[BradstarVols]

IMO the playoffs are a success this year. Can’t wait to tune in tonight. It also shows me that with a few pieces we can immediately upgrade and be in this same spot. Having the potential to immediately compete without enduring a 3-5 year rebuild is exciting. The disconnect between players is the downside but it’s the same in professional sports at the trade deadline.

I haven't really watched any of the playoffs lol. Just not super interested with the direction college football is going. I'll still watch the Vols though.

 

[sami]

I appreciate the suggestion and cause for hope. Let's see how this theory ages though.
Also, was that the plan with the safety positions last year? And what about the DTs, same? Because this appears eerily similar to the way we have been the past two years regarding the portal losses and acquisitions (or lack thereof).
Why should we assume their going to get different results, with the same ol', mid kinda activity in and out of the portal. There are several teams working real-time strategies, moving and shaking in the portal for upgrades and fill-ins. The Vols are not one of them, by any metric

You might be 100% right. My only counter would be that we are now recruiting at a top 10 nationally level and CJH may feel that the returning depth along with incoming freshmen tops most of the bloated requests of portal guys.

But maybe being the 'portal king' is the way to go moving forward. I'd hate to see it, but Ole Miss and Indiana have shown that if done right it is the quickest way to the top.

 

[sami]

You're up against what I have termed the "Reasonable Vol Fan". It's a subset of Pumper that always finds strategy in a coaching decision, and strongly attacks personally any fan who disagrees with the coach or admin. They couch it in 'calm down' and 'don't be a drama queen' type language. It's a form of gaslighting based in an unwavering belief that coaches always know better than any fan. Fascinating. I wish I shared their optimism, though I really don't understand the ad hominems.

Yeah, complete with the lecturing tone - hell, this guy even admitted to the need of being "stern" when dealing with those he deemed to be not on his enlightened level of understanding.

I'm not a Pumper, but far from the Negas who are just as bad in the opposite way. The hardest thing is to find good discussions with people who don't have an agenda either way.

 

[508mikey]

of the 10k in the portal - how many wont be playing football or getting a degree because of this decision they made ?

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Time for players to have contracts and buyouts and performance based NIL.

I doubt that would pass a judicial review.

NIL isn't paid by the schools. Performance is on behalf of the school.
Any connection between pay by a collective and performance for a school is tenuous, at best.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Yeah, eventually it's going to reach critical mass though when the non-revenue sports collapse, all those scholarships for people with no chance of going pro go away and we won't be able to field an Olympic team. They'll have to act then. People need to realize what the situation is though so that the right pressure can be applied to Congress by people who actually love the game.

We've been hearing that canard for at least five years, but no such thing has occurred. In fact, non revenue sports athletes are getting some of the House settlement revenue sharing money.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Just an example instead of saying 4. There needs to be a specified time of service in the contract just like a NFL contract. It’s not good that a freshman can come in, sit on the bench for a year, collect a million dollars and then go elsewhere the next season.

Can't do it with scholarships being for one season at a time.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

We've been hearing that canard for at least five years, but no such thing has occurred. In fact, non revenue sports athletes are getting some of the House settlement revenue sharing money.

Yeah, well they haven't gone the direct employment-collective bargaining route yet either. I've been very clear that's when it'll all fall apart because it'll be impossible to comply with Title IX at that point and remain connected to the schools. The revenue sports will have to break away from the schools and the non-revenue sports will have no funding. One way or another, Congress is going to have to get involved with new legislation, either with Antitrust amendments, Title IX amendments or both (most likely both). The condition of college sports is otherwise terminal.

 

[TheVolsFrog]

Yeah, well they haven't gone the direct employment-collective bargaining route yet either. I've been very clear that's when it'll all fall apart because it'll be impossible to comply with Title IX at that point and remain connected to the schools. The revenue sports will have to break away from the schools and the non-revenue sports will have no funding. One way or another, Congress is going to have to get involved with new legislation, either with Antitrust amendments, Title IX amendments or both (most likely both). The condition of college sports is otherwise terminal.

Yup it's going to take Congress adding college or at least NCAA money making sports under the AntiTrust exemption so that some rules and regs can be put in place, not like Congress has to come up with some big long page of laws when they already have one that NCAA college ball can fall under. People say we don't want Congress or the I'm from the .gov and here to help and they'll break it mantra. If you don't want Congress to fix it then accept the constant turn over and schools with bigger pockets to keep doing what they do and investment firms trying to buy in for a piece. College isn't going back to the way it was, time to accept that

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Yeah, well they haven't gone the direct employment-collective bargaining route yet either. I've been very clear that's when it'll all fall apart because it'll be impossible to comply with Title IX at that point and remain connected to the schools. The revenue sports will have to break away from the schools and the non-revenue sports will have no funding. One way or another, Congress is going to have to get involved with new legislation, either with Antitrust amendments, Title IX amendments or both (most likely both). The condition of college sports is otherwise terminal.

It will actually help with Title IX compliance if football becomes employment and the rest of the sports don't follow. That way, student athletes in the Olympic sports can have team balance between men's and women's sports.

Congress has tried Antitrust legislation at least three times recently. They can't even get a bill out of committee.

Terminal? That is a canard. It's better than ever.

.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Yup it's going to take Congress adding college or at least NCAA money making sports under the AntiTrust exemption so that some rules and regs can be put in place, not like Congress has to come up with some big long page of laws when they already have one that NCAA college ball can fall under. People say we don't want Congress or the I'm from the .gov and here to help and they'll break it mantra. If you don't want Congress to fix it then accept the constant turn over and schools with bigger pockets to keep doing what they do and investment firms trying to buy in for a piece. College isn't going back to the way it was, time to accept that

Why should capitalism in college sports be any different than any other business?

It's pretty funny to me how otherwise conservative fans want enforced socialism in college sports.

 

[volfan102455]

Ok serious question.

100 teams with 100 players is 10k.

How can so many players be in the portal?

What I found is that there were 4,500 Division 1 players in the Transfer Portal on Day 1. There are 136 Division 1 schools - average would be 33 players per school if all things were equal.

I'm sure that number has grown since this - so maybe not 10K, but reality is that it is a lot of players moving on.

 

[VolInNW]

Yup it's going to take Congress adding college or at least NCAA money making sports under the AntiTrust exemption so that some rules and regs can be put in place, not like Congress has to come up with some big long page of laws when they already have one that NCAA college ball can fall under. People say we don't want Congress or the I'm from the .gov and here to help and they'll break it mantra. If you don't want Congress to fix it then accept the constant turn over and schools with bigger pockets to keep doing what they do and investment firms trying to buy in for a piece. College isn't going back to the way it was, time to accept that

I agree with you.

I do find it amusing that the same folks who insist Congress can't do anything right are the same crowd that applauded the BS decision in Loper Bright last year, which basically took power from federal agencies who know a specific industry and handed it to Congress and the courts, who don't know a *&^%ing thing about a given industry.

Who writes the new rules? There could have been a college athletics sub agency created and staffed with experts, but now I suppose Congress will have to give it a go, with endless litigation to follow.

College sports are dying.

 

[TheVolsFrog]

Why should capitalism in college sports be any different than any other business?

It's pretty funny to me how otherwise conservative fans want enforced socialism in college sports.

Why does NFL, NBA have antitrust exemptions, why are they any different from any other business.

 

[Section N Row 5]

Ok serious question.

100 teams with 100 players is 10k.

How can so many players be in the portal?

3,350 players -- roughly 25% of the FBS​

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

I haven't really watched any of the playoffs lol. Just not super interested with the direction college football is going. I'll still watch the Vols though.

Then you've missed some great games.

The Fiesta Bowl was awesome last night. The Bama-Oklahoma and Ole Miss games were good. The Indiana epic beat down of Bana was WONDERFUL!

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Why does NFL, NBA have antitrust exemptions, why are they any different from any other business.

They have limited Antitrust exemptions and all that goes with it.

College sports are like a regular business. They recruit like a regular business. People can leave businesses any time they wish, just like a specific college. Businesses can headhunt other companies' employees, just like the workarounds for the illegal NCAA tampering rule.

The pro sports anti trust includes several huge differences from that.

Let's take the NFL. If we get a NFL style Antitrust law, would you be OK with the following that the NFL has?

Full employment status for the athletes.
A 133 team draft instead of recruiting.
Collective bargaining, union contracts, and the possibility of strikes.
Workers' Comp.codts, lawsuits, etc.
Involuntary trades.
No limit on eligibility.
No walk ons (unions call them "scabs")
Nami g rights to stadiums.
(Goodbye to Neyland Stadium. Hello FirstBank Stadium or Kroger Field)

Antitrust legislation is pretty close to an all or nothing law. There are definite trade offs.. be careful what you wish for.
Your cure may be worse than the disease.

 

[Unconditional Surrender]

Ok serious question.

100 teams with 100 players is 10k.

How can so many players be in the portal?

I heard it was 4000. But if it is more, I am guessing any devent division 1-aa and division 2 player is also in.