The Truth About College Football And Recruiting.

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I know it's not what some people want to hear, but gone are the days of prioritizing highschool talent over transfer portal talent. We are seeing the top coaches use it over gambling on 5 star highschool players. Look at how many busts we had in recent years of highly rated highschool QB's. The truth is many programs, some who are still in the CFP, prioritize the transfer portal as much if not more than HS recruiting.

Honestly it makes sense to do this... you always hear the best way to get better, to developed, is by getting in game experience, something younger players and 3 star players wont get if they go to a larger college out of highschool. Many players that did this are now transferring out to poverty football programs like šŸ˜†KentuckyšŸ˜† using up their last few years just to get on the field when they should have gone there, or a smaller school, from the start.

it seems the times have changed, and trying to find good highschool players is riskier than the transfer portal option, It's a safer option for coaches to take in more transfer portal players with real playing time, than to develop those players who could be busts. For example look at a QB with experience like Joey, compared to an unproven HS kid like Nico, who got millions of dollars from us.

I want to make it clear, I'm not saying the portal should be used more than HS recruiting, but that it needs to be 50/50. Maybe even 60/40 in some years depending on a teams needs. You can't go too light like Clemson, and you can't go too heavy like FSU, but it needs to be treated as just as important.

Now, all of that being said, let the hate posting commence from the contrarians out there! 🄰
 
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Heupel has had multiple 5 star QB’s recruited here. You can’t classify any of them being a bust. That’s just silly.

Nico started 1 year and was 11-3 as starter

Gmac and Faizon have yet to play

Not sure how anyone can say Heupel has struck out with his QB recruits on the field.
 
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Heupel has had multiple 5 star QB’s recruited here. You can’t classify any of them being a bust. That’s just silly.

Nico started 1 year and was 11-3 as starter

Gmac and Faizon have yet to play

Not sure how anyone can say Heupel has struck out with his QB recruits on the field.
Nico walked on him, that's a bust.
 
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Nico walked on him, that's a bust.
Therein lies the trap of putting too much money into high school kids. You pay big $$$ for those 5 star high school recruits, bring’em on board, coach them up, provide outstanding development opportunities and they suddenly realize they’re worth MORE. They enter the portal and bail because they can START right away, someplace else.
 
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Therein lies the trap of putting too much money into high school kids. You pay big $$$ for those 5 star high school recruits, bring’em on board, coach them up, provide outstanding development opportunities and they suddenly realize they’re worth MORE. They enter the portal and bail because they can START right away, someplace else.
Nico wasn't worth more. He wasn't a bust. His dad is a moron.
 
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I know it's not what some people want to hear, but gone are the days of prioritizing highschool talent over transfer portal talent. We are seeing the top coaches use it over gambling on 5 star highschool players. Look at how many busts we had in recent years of highly rated highschool QB's. The truth is many programs, some who are still in the CFP, prioritize the transfer portal as much if not more than HS recruiting.

Honestly it makes sense to do this... you always hear the best way to get better, to developed, is by getting in game experience, something younger players and 3 star players wont get if they go to a larger college out of highschool. Many players that did this are now transferring out to poverty football programs like šŸ˜†KentuckyšŸ˜† using up their last few years just to get on the field when they should have gone there, or a smaller school, from the start.

it seems the times have changed, and trying to find good highschool players is riskier than the transfer portal option, It's a safer option for coaches to take in more transfer portal players with real playing time, than to develop those players who could be busts. For example look at a QB with experience like Joey, compared to an unproven HS kid like Nico, who got millions of dollars from us.

I want to make it clear, I'm not saying the portal should be used more than HS recruiting, but that it needs to be 50/50. Maybe even 60/40 in some years depending on a teams needs. You can't go too light like Clemson, and you can't go too heavy like FSU, but it needs to be treated as just as important.

Now, all of that being said, let the hate posting commence from the contrarians out there! 🄰
Indiana starts 16 portal guys because they’re hitting on almost all of them. They are handpicking older, hungrier coachable players from mid major schools. Pretty much the opposite of our approach. We tend to get Power 4 guys that we likely have to outbid someone to get.
 
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The funniest thing of all is/was that Indiana beat Bama with a Bama type team. What has Indiana’s recruiting average been?
 
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Indiana starts 16 portal guys because they’re hitting on almost all of them. They are handpicking older, hungrier coachable players from mid major schools. Pretty much the opposite of our approach. We tend to get Power 4 guys that we likely have to outbid someone to get.
Indiana WAS doing that but with Cuban now stepping up they're pulling from anywhere they want.

Check their portal pickups now and you'll find they're pulling from Penn State, WI, MI State, etc and can pretty much scrap with the big boys now.

Yes, yes, yes, Cignetti did great with lower level transfers but he's not stupid. Now that he can get better guys, he's getting better guys.
 
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Nico walked on him, that's a bust.
Nico's clan wanted an outrageous raise while attempting to tell Heupel how to coach, AND staging a holdout, AND soliciting other schools. They were shown the door.

If you want to argue he never lived up to the hype...well, that is somewhat 'busty'. But a parting of ways over contract is categorized as a bust by no one.
 
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One of the things the portal has done is made it harder for top tiered schools to sandbag top talent 2 or 3 deep . Players want to play and get paid more than stay in a school and see it win a NC. And there's no guarantee that high school 5 star freshmen will stick around more than 1 year. Herding cats to say the least
 
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Indiana WAS doing that but with Cuban now stepping up they're pulling from anywhere they want.

Check their portal pickups now and you'll find they're pulling from Penn State, WI, MI State, etc and can pretty much scrap with the big boys now.

Yes, yes, yes, Cignetti did great with lower level transfers but he's not stupid. Now that he can get better guys, he's getting better guys.
They are now recruiting HS. But still not signing a high % of blue chips. They recruit to a system. And their players are leaders and are disciplined.
 
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They are now recruiting HS. But still not signing a high % of blue chips. They recruit to a system. And their players are leaders and are disciplined.
They're doing well in the portal pulling in B1G guys from rivals.

I'm not at all saying Cignetti isn't as close to a "Saban process" coach as exists currently and his demand for discipline works very well, but he's no longer pulling just JMU level guys from the portal.

He's got money now just like the big boys in college football and he's got the momentum of his last two seasons. There's no reason for him to recruit mid tier guys anymore.
 
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He went 11-3 as starter in one calendar year. Hardly bustworthy
Go back and watch the end of the Arkansas game that year. He walked the day before the spring game. If your boy was the great QB coach you're touting, his golden goose QB, the guy that UT $$$ went all in on at the cutting edge of NIL at the time, had a year in the system, took his lumps his first year starting and didn't lead the team, my reference to the Arkansas game in focus, but contributed. After all that, instead of going to his mentor that he should trust and working from there, he instead played hardball on the last day of spring practice because he didn't have balls to stand up to his dad because "culture"? I'm not buying it. Heupel's golden QB walked out on him. That's a bust. Don't see how else you can spin that.
 
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Stars mean nothing if you find the right players and the have the right coaches

How many 5* have we overpaid for in the last few years and they didn’t look that great, we cut them loose, or see them go somewhere else when we could have used that money for multiple good players definitely something to think about and if the whole high school recruiting importantance is diminishing sadly 1767852987491.png
 
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Nico's clan wanted an outrageous raise while attempting to tell Heupel how to coach, AND staging a holdout, AND soliciting other schools. They were shown the door.

If you want to argue he never lived up to the hype...well, that is somewhat 'busty'. But a parting of ways over contract is categorized as a bust by no one.
Josh got his 8 million dollar pick for QB. After 2 years of development and dare I say "team building", Nico felt he could pull his stunt. Does that show you a coach who is connected with his players? Especially his star QB? Nico should have been his boy but he left Josh like a chump.


Nico was a bust.
 
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They're doing well in the portal pulling in B1G guys from rivals.

I'm not at all saying Cignetti isn't as close to a "Saban process" coach as exists currently and his demand for discipline works very well, but he's no longer pulling just JMU level guys from the portal.

He's got money now just like the big boys in college football and he's got the momentum of his last two seasons. There's no reason for him to recruit mid tier guys anymore.
Til now, they had mostly been pulling G5 guys. They also got Mendoza, their RB and their LT from major schools. I respectfully disagree. He’s like an NFL GM that knows you must pull in guys that no one else is on. Guys that are team captains, multi year starters and are coachable. And developed in the weight room. They pick their spots. Cignetti won’t overpay for a guy that isn’t buying into the team concept.
 
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What other industry is dependent upon begging other people (ā€œbillionairesā€) to give their money so fans/people can be entertained?

I’d like to hear from people who consider themselves to lean conservative and trust in capitalism. I understand the thinking of the rest.
 
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Josh got his 8 million dollar pick for QB. After 2 years of development and dare I say "team building", Nico felt he could pull his stunt. Does that show you a coach who is connected with his players? Especially his star QB? Nico should have been his boy but he left Josh like a chump.


Nico was a bust.
Your logic effectively states no coach is ā€œconnected with his playersā€ since they ALL lose players now to the portal. Take GA losing Beck for example, and Kirby is as good a coach there is today.

I think your logic is a bust. You picked the wrong argument to make your point.
 

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