The Venezuela thread

What Do You Think About This?

  • Doesn't really make sense.

    Votes: 10 18.2%
  • Unnecessary.

    Votes: 21 38.2%
  • I love it! We can get more oil!

    Votes: 14 25.5%
  • I can see why it might happen, but not comfortable with it.

    Votes: 10 18.2%

  • Total voters
    55
Technology is a wonderful thing…you can clip common comments and release them for simpletons to believe they are connected. The Daily Show (liberal leaning) knows its audience. Media manipulation has dumbed down the older generations.
To the contrary, astute older people are better able to spot media manipulation since they've seen it so often before. They witnessed the lead ups to our neocon wars and many also remember the snow job which got us deeper into Vietnam.
The current administration is trying some of the same tactics to sell the conflict with Venezuela that GWB's team did with his Iraq adventure. Denial of that is dumb.
 
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You really need to speak for yourself. Most people I know have no use for such stuff. So China just shoots them in the back of the head. We just blow them out of the water. Two sides of the same coin?

I know lots of Americans who have done drugs, and quite a few people who have died from them, and they were all American, all of them, even though I've spent much of my adult life outside of the US. Mao in China, Duterte in the Philippines, Lee in Singapore, those guys actually greatly reduced the volume of drugs in their countries by targeting people bringing them in and/or possessing them in their countries. Trump isn't reducing the amount of dope dealers or crack whores in the USA. At best, he's merely helping the Venezuelans' competition in Mexico and elsewhere, doing them a huge favor by giving them a bigger share of the market. If Trump was genuinely serious about reducing fentanyl in the USA, he'd outlaw the prescription of opioids as pain killers. I was prescribed Percocet by a doctor in Lawton, Oklahoma a quarter century ago, when I was a young man for a very minor issue. I didn't take any of them, fortunately, so I didn't get addicted to opioids. I was prescribed pain killers outside of the USA after a vasectomy, an appendectomy, and a hernia operation, but I was never prescribed opioids outside of the USA. It's insane that they're prescribed in the USA so often. They shouldn't be, as it's a root cause of the massive amounts of opioid deaths in the US. People in nearly all other developed nations live longer than Americans and they rarely need opioids outside of a hospital or hospice setting. Trump doesn't want to step on the toes of his billionaire buddies in Big Pharma. He doesn't care about Americans hooked on opioids or dying from fentanyl. He doesn't care about them or that. It's all about money.
 
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I'm not totally sure about our need for crude from Venezuela. I think the money we would use to cause regime change would be be better spent on developing electric vehicles domestically. Independent of global warming electric motors are better technology, simpler and more efficient mechanisms. Batteries are cited as a flaw because of charging time, but that's not really an issue if you charge at home, and battery tech seems likely to be evolving quickly in the next few years to eliminate this problem, if that's what it is. Evs seem to be to the 21st century what ice cars were to the 20th. By not competing on the technology, it seems like we're setting ourselves up for being behind china, korea, etc in this important development.
 


I'm not totally sure about our need for crude from Venezuela. I think the money we would use to cause regime change would be be better spent on developing electric vehicles domestically. Independent of global warming electric motors are better technology, simpler and more efficient mechanisms. Batteries are cited as a flaw because of charging time, but that's not really an issue if you charge at home, and battery tech seems likely to be evolving quickly in the next few years to eliminate this problem, if that's what it is. Evs seem to be to the 21st century what ice cars were to the 20th. By not competing on the technology, it seems like we're setting ourselves up for being behind china, korea, etc in this important development.

We don't need their dirty oil. If EVs are the future we are currently years behind China
 
Which ones are not valid? One by one. By the way, I ran across this a couple years ago...and it is still valid. Laptop maybe??? Still think it doesn't exist?
Some of them weren't fringe beliefs. Didn't journalists report that Epstein was a creep and that Ukraine has corruption?
Some of them are too vague to know what you mean, like plandemic and lockdown.
If by child sex trafficking and elite pedophilia you mean that Q crap, it's fantasy. Ivermectin and HCQ are useful for some conditions but don't help with COVID-19. It seems masks do provide some reduction in spread of viruses. Where's the evidence of those biolabs in the Ukraine? MRNA vax side effects are way overblown by the tinfoil hat crowd.
 
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I know lots of Americans who have done drugs, and quite a few people who have died from them, and they were all American, all of them, even though I've spent much of my adult life outside of the US. Mao in China, Duterte in the Philippines, Lee in Singapore, those guys actually greatly reduced the volume of drugs in their countries by targeting people bringing them in and/or possessing them in their countries. Trump isn't reducing the amount of dope dealers or crack whores in the USA. At best, he's merely helping the Venezuelans' competition in Mexico and elsewhere, doing them a huge favor by giving them a bigger share of the market. If Trump was genuinely serious about reducing fentanyl in the USA, he'd outlaw the prescription of opioids as pain killers. I was prescribed Percocet by a doctor in Lawton, Oklahoma a quarter century ago, when I was a young man for a very minor issue. I didn't take any of them, fortunately, so I didn't get addicted to opioids. I was prescribed pain killers outside of the USA after a vasectomy, an appendectomy, and a hernia operation, but I was never prescribed opioids outside of the USA. It's insane that they're prescribed in the USA so often. They shouldn't be, as it's a root cause of the massive amounts of opioid deaths in the US. People in nearly all other developed nations live longer than Americans and they rarely need opioids outside of a hospital or hospice setting. Trump doesn't want to step on the toes of his billionaire buddies in Big Pharma. He doesn't care about Americans hooked on opioids or dying from fentanyl. He doesn't care about them or that. It's all about money.

I agree with a lot of this but the issue is that outlawing these items in our country is a lot harder, especially for the President, than the actions Trump is doing. If we didn't have buyers here, we wouldn't have the problem.

Keep in mind that the President primarily, per the power of his office, manages interactions with other nations and not domestic/internal items. That is the function of Congress and the States (it is actually each individual State that would have to propose the regulations you are asking for if we want it to be correct).
 
Per Trump's directives, we seized another oil tanker off of Venezuela today. Instances like this where embargoes are imposed are technically acts of war. So... we're in a state of war with Venezuela now. No Congressional approval needed or given.

It's obvious that Trump wants regime change and he may well be right that that would be a good thing. But is this something that we as American citizen should support? Who wants their son or daughter to die over Venezuelan oil?

I have no idea if Maduro is crazy enough to stand up and actually fight against our military but it seems a definite possibility at this point.

We've been down this road before with iraq.
 
it's not war, it's bankrupting Maduro
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