If Knowles system takes a few years this tells me

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Other_Guy said:
That Heupel isnt feeling pressured to "win now" after a disappointing season and growing concern. This isnt meant to be a criticism. I'm not saying he should or shouldn't feel it. He's just not putting pressure on himself to win big next year, nor does it tell me that he feels pressur from Danny. Ive always wondered myself how long Danny would stick around, so he maybe feels confident in how things will be in say 3 years. There's always the situation where a new AD doesnt have that certian level of loyalty to an old coach. Idk maybe I'm looking too deep into this but it just appears to me he is looking more long term and doing what needs to be done (including possibly firing more coaches), even if it means another set back in 6.
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If UT had had a middling D this year they would have been in the playoff. That with a transfer QB and a whole bunch of young guys on O. Nine of UT's offensive two deep were Freshmen. My guess is that Heupel is just hoping for a D that doesn't suck and a DC who match wits with upper level OCs.

My favorite DC through this whole mess has been Wilcox. His D was described as simple for his guys to execute but complex for the O to decipher.

My fear with Knowles is something that I haven't seen discussed. Top level talents are coming into CFB believing they'll be gone in 3 years... not finally grasping the scheme. You could start losing guys you need before they can execute Knowles D.
 
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sjt18 said:
If UT had had a middling D this year they would have been in the playoff. That with a transfer QB and a whole bunch of young guys on O. Nine of UT's offensive two deep were Freshmen. My guess is that Heupel is just hoping for a D that doesn't suck and a DC who match wits with upper level OCs.

My favorite DC through this whole mess has been Wilcox. His D was described as simple for his guys to execute but complex for the O to decipher.

My fear with Knowles is something that I haven't seen discussed. Top level talents are coming into CFB believing they'll be gone in 3 years... not finally grasping the scheme. You could start losing guys you need before they can execute Knowles D.
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Great point.
 
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Other_Guy said:
The only thing dumb is how you read "pressured" to win and then wrote "expects".
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The comment still stands. “Expectations” create “pressure.”

When you are the AD, a coach or a player at a school like Tennessee, you are “expected” and feel “pressured” to win every time you take the field against any opponent.

Now, where the difference comes in is that some fans think everyone should be replaced after any loss. And that is ridiculous under any circumstances. Evaluations should be made on the entire body of work.
 
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Other_Guy said:
That Heupel isnt feeling pressured to "win now" after a disappointing season and growing concern. This isnt meant to be a criticism. I'm not saying he should or shouldn't feel it. He's just not putting pressure on himself to win big next year, nor does it tell me that he feels pressur from Danny. Ive always wondered myself how long Danny would stick around, so he maybe feels confident in how things will be in say 3 years. There's always the situation where a new AD doesnt have that certian level of loyalty to an old coach. Idk maybe I'm looking too deep into this but it just appears to me he is looking more long term and doing what needs to be done (including possibly firing more coaches), even if it means another set back in 6.
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This whole talk about “years to implement” is all garbage. You can bet your ass improvement is expected next year in year 1. No one is going to expect him to field a #1 defense, but fielding a #100 won’t be acceptable either.

Heup just got his tail kicked by Vandy, won 0 meaningful games, lost all year at home, and looked confused on the sideline in many games. You can guarantee he’s looking for improvement next year. A repeat next year, pumpers can like it or not, will result in a very loud, disgruntled fan base.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
Everybody had us going 8-4 in the summer. If anything we overachieved this year. Fans thinking it was a disappointing season are delusional.
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“Overachieved”. Losing at home on the regular, beating no one other that ETSU with a winning record, getting curb stomped by Vandy at home. Tell me where we “overachieved”. I guess I’d rather be delusional than have 0 standards in life.
 
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Vol in Buckeye Land said:
I think the narrative that it takes so much time is overblown. OSU weren't world beaters on defense in 2022, but they were noticeably better than the year before. We just fielded an atrocious defense this year. I have little doubt that we'll be far better next year, even if we aren't quite the 1939 squad come again yet.
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Can’t use OSU as an example. We don’t have that kind of talent on defense. will we be better next year? I believe so. But drastically better? I don’t expect it.
 
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Other_Guy said:
That Heupel isnt feeling pressured to "win now" after a disappointing season and growing concern. This isnt meant to be a criticism. I'm not saying he should or shouldn't feel it. He's just not putting pressure on himself to win big next year, nor does it tell me that he feels pressur from Danny. Ive always wondered myself how long Danny would stick around, so he maybe feels confident in how things will be in say 3 years. There's always the situation where a new AD doesnt have that certian level of loyalty to an old coach. Idk maybe I'm looking too deep into this but it just appears to me he is looking more long term and doing what needs to be done (including possibly firing more coaches), even if it means another set back in 6.
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So you’re saying we should improve to nine and three at least by 2035.
 
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Other_Guy said:
That Heupel isnt feeling pressured to "win now" after a disappointing season and growing concern. This isnt meant to be a criticism. I'm not saying he should or shouldn't feel it. He's just not putting pressure on himself to win big next year, nor does it tell me that he feels pressur from Danny. Ive always wondered myself how long Danny would stick around, so he maybe feels confident in how things will be in say 3 years. There's always the situation where a new AD doesnt have that certian level of loyalty to an old coach. Idk maybe I'm looking too deep into this but it just appears to me he is looking more long term and doing what needs to be done (including possibly firing more coaches), even if it means another set back in 6.
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It doesn’t take years for a defense install. The biggest challenge is getting the right players to fit your scheme.

NIL can help and we needed a bunch of defensive guys anyway.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Can’t use OSU as an example. We don’t have that kind of talent on defense. will we be better next year? I believe so. But drastically better? I don’t expect it.
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Heck, if we can just get guys to tackle next year we’d be far better. Hopefully Knowles can fix the fundamentals and maximize the talent we do have.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Can’t use OSU as an example. We don’t have that kind of talent on defense. will we be better next year? I believe so. But drastically better? I don’t expect it.
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Is our talent on par with OSU at the time? No, but it's a whole lot closer to OSU than it is to 80th in the country. I stand by what I said.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
This is mostly a BS generalization
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I don't think you understand what has been going on in our school systems over the last 30 years or more. It is not BS, it is sorrowfully true and as far as my example of interviews, it is not just players who suffer from this lack of "learning" just watch announcers and the talk show guys now days. Really? Their communication skills are laughable!!
 
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savannahfan said:
I don't think you understand what has been going on in our school systems over the last 30 years or more. It is not BS, it is sorrowfully true and as far as my example of interviews, it is not just players who suffer from this lack of "learning" just watch announcers and the talk show guys now days. Really? Their communication skills are laughable!!
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I agree that verbal communication has deteriorated the last couple of decades but I feel that has more to do with the influence of social media and messaging. Also at fault is the shift to a standardized testing teaching model in the classrooms. I understand it quite well
 
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Other_Guy said:
That Heupel isnt feeling pressured to "win now" after a disappointing season and growing concern. This isnt meant to be a criticism. I'm not saying he should or shouldn't feel it. He's just not putting pressure on himself to win big next year, nor does it tell me that he feels pressur from Danny. Ive always wondered myself how long Danny would stick around, so he maybe feels confident in how things will be in say 3 years. There's always the situation where a new AD doesnt have that certian level of loyalty to an old coach. Idk maybe I'm looking too deep into this but it just appears to me he is looking more long term and doing what needs to be done (including possibly firing more coaches), even if it means another set back in 6.
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I think the very fact he made this move tells me feels pressure. Sooooo young one ...

Necks...

Edit: I see your join date, old fart.
 
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volfeeva said:
With the way players jump around from team to team, bail early to the pros, college football has almost become one and done programs. I'm not sure players hang around long enough to give you 2 years or more to develop a program. Unless you're willing to pay them big $$$
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Plenty of players stay around longer than 2 years. The top teams retain a good share of players. Players want to win and be developed. There are still players that play for more than money. Some folks lump all players into the same bucket, as times move on and the market adjust I think the jumping around will settle slightly. There will still be jumps but as folks realize and see mistakes of others there will be some stabilizing of the situation and staffs are also going to be more hesitant too take players looking exclusively for top dollar that never are hard workers or team players. GBO
 
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Other_Guy said:
That Heupel isnt feeling pressured to "win now" after a disappointing season and growing concern. This isnt meant to be a criticism. I'm not saying he should or shouldn't feel it. He's just not putting pressure on himself to win big next year, nor does it tell me that he feels pressur from Danny. Ive always wondered myself how long Danny would stick around, so he maybe feels confident in how things will be in say 3 years. There's always the situation where a new AD doesnt have that certian level of loyalty to an old coach. Idk maybe I'm looking too deep into this but it just appears to me he is looking more long term and doing what needs to be done (including possibly firing more coaches), even if it means another set back in 6.
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SubVet676 said:
There’s that old saying “a good plan now is better than a great plan later.“.
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Can be better or way better depending on how many transfers we can get that are good to decent and have already played under Knowles either Penn State this season or under him at OSU
 
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SubVet676 said:
I think Coach Heupel probably believes that while it might take a couple of years for the new system to be fully implemented, anything that moves us back into the top half of the conference defensively next season is still a good move.

There’s that old saying “a good plan now is better than a great plan later.“.
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Agree with this, that’s gives us a lot better chances inn those swing games if we can have similar offense output
 
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Jackcrevol said:
I think the very fact he made this move tells me feels pressure. Sooooo young one ...

Necks...

Edit: I see your join date, old fart.
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Lol I'm only 35 (and I'll keep using "only" for a long time).
Firing Banks may have been under a bit of pressure but hiring the one guy everyone ways is going to take time?
 
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GoVols64 said:
It doesn’t take years for a defense install. The biggest challenge is getting the right players to fit your scheme.

NIL can help and we needed a bunch of defensive guys anyway.
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Im just going off of what others who would know way more than me say. Its mostly in reference to next year specifically. He's not worried about next year being a POTENTIAL struggle again, where more unrest could grow. It just didnt strike me as a "gotta win next year" hire. Could he be such a great hire they win next year? Definitely. He's just fine with taking the risk.
 
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volfeeva said:
With the way players jump around from team to team, bail early to the pros, college football has almost become one and done programs. I'm not sure players hang around long enough to give you 2 years or more to develop a program. Unless you're willing to pay them big $$$
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The narrative could work to our advantage. It could help weed out people on defense who intend to bounce around.
 
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