I really like this basketball team but wish Cam Carr had stuck around

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livefaith said:
Dude, I forgot this guy existed. It's transfer mania. We are gonna have problems retaining marginal players who have developmental potential, just like every other team. Bottom line, our staff is DEFINITELY in the net+ category when it comes to the transfer portal. If he didn't want to be a Vol, then "don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya" is all I can say.
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A marginal player doesn’t average almost 23 ppg for a program like Baylor.
 
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Little Wonder said:
I like the team as well, but Barnes' best days (and record) were at Texas. His Vol teams have never been able to put away decent teams in the second half, period. He's a good coach a wonderful ambassador for UT athletics, but not a great coach. He didn't deserve a lifetime contract. Hurley doesn't have one, Few doesn't, Bill Self doesn't, and they have accomplished much, much more.
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That second comment is crazy
 
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Little Wonder said:
I like the team as well, but Barnes' best days (and record) were at Texas. His Vol teams have never been able to put away decent teams in the second half, period. He's a good coach a wonderful ambassador for UT athletics, but not a great coach. He didn't deserve a lifetime contract. Hurley doesn't have one, Few doesn't, Bill Self doesn't, and they have accomplished much, much more.
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I guess you missed the Houston game, this week, where his team did exactly that. Or the Bama game, last year. Or the Texas A&M game. Or the Auburn game in the SECT. Or any of dozens of other examples in the last 10 years.

And he got a lifetime contract because he is operating on a year-to-year basis at his age. There's essentially little risk for Tennessee in assuming that position and Barnes has done nothing to convince Danny White he won't continue to field excellent, competitive teams.

Dollars to donuts I'd bet you're trolling, but if not, you lack a real sense of reality.
 
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Little Wonder said:
I like the team as well, but Barnes' best days (and record) were at Texas. His Vol teams have never been able to put away decent teams in the second half, period. He's a good coach a wonderful ambassador for UT athletics, but not a great coach. He didn't deserve a lifetime contract. Hurley doesn't have one, Few doesn't, Bill Self doesn't, and they have accomplished much, much more.
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Is this a troll job?
 
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cncchris33 said:
I guess you missed the Houston game, this week, where his team did exactly that. Or the Bama game, last year. Or the Texas A&M game. Or the Auburn game in the SECT. Or any of dozens of other examples in the last 10 years.

And he got a lifetime contract because he is operating on a year-to-year basis at his age. There's essentially little risk for Tennessee in assuming that position and Barnes has done nothing to convince Danny White he won't continue to field excellent, competitive teams.

Dollars to donuts I'd bet you're trolling, but if not, you lack a real sense of reality.
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I'm guessing it's a troll account because it's gone now. Must have been someone's dupe that someone forgot they made and remembered since it said they joined in November 2022 and that was 1 of 2 of their posts.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I'm guessing it's a troll account because it's gone now. Must have been someone's dupe that someone forgot they made and remembered since it said they joined in November 2022 and that was 1 of 2 of their posts.
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Surprisingly, @Freak liked it. Feels like he was either coming down off a Thanksgiving stupor, or it was a creative click bait attempt. Got my eye on you Freak. 🧐
 
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Little Wonder said:
I like the team as well, but Barnes' best days (and record) were at Texas. His Vol teams have never been able to put away decent teams in the second half, period. He's a good coach a wonderful ambassador for UT athletics, but not a great coach. He didn't deserve a lifetime contract. Hurley doesn't have one, Few doesn't, Bill Self doesn't, and they have accomplished much, much more.
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There's nobody currently out there that is good enough to take Barnes place. I can see why they gave him the lifetime contract. Give it some time.
 
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Pennheel said:
There's nobody currently out there that is good enough to take Barnes place. I can see why they gave him the lifetime contract. Give it some time.
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He's a facking, know-nothings troll. Give it some time? LMFAO! We are already consistently a player as to national relevance. Barnes is 72. His age and energy is why he got a lifetime contract. He is the best coach UT athletics has had in the modern era. That's the other reason he had a lifetime contract
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
He's a facking, know-nothings troll. Give it some time? LMFAO! We are already consistently a player as to national relevance. Barnes is 72. His age and energy is why he got a lifetime contract. He is the best coach UT athletics has had in the modern era. That's the other reason he had a lifetime contract
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I actually agree with you.😉 I was just saying that there will eventually be that coach that is worth hiring. Stick with Barnes because he is such a steady presence at UT and a really good coach.
 
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Pennheel said:
I actually agree with you.😉 I was just saying that there will eventually be that coach that is worth hiring. Stick with Barnes because he is such a steady presence at UT and a really good coach.
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He is anything but a placeholder. We're not just "sticking with him". He's one of the absolute best in the business.
 
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livefaith said:
Dude, I forgot this guy existed. It's transfer mania. We are gonna have problems retaining marginal players who have developmental potential, just like every other team. Bottom line, our staff is DEFINITELY in the net+ category when it comes to the transfer portal. If he didn't want to be a Vol, then "don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya" is all I can say.
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If you take the fact that Carr was at UT out of the equation, and you’re going after players in the portal, is his defense an issue? How many players are averaging the numbers Carr is at Baylor? Would Chaz or Dalton have made it under Barnes as developmental players? I don’t think so.

In the last three years, Barnes’ best scorers are not players he groomed. And that includes two of the best seasons we’ve ever had.

It wasn’t that Carr simply didn’t play defense while he was here. He couldn’t do anything on offense in the limited minutes he saw either. This while pundits were saying he was the best offensive potential player from what they’d seen in practice. Huh? All the kid does is change zip codes and 10 Months later he’s a leading scorer and rebounder in the country. And let’s not pretend he transferred to a marginal program. He’s playing for a recent National Championship Coach and team (21’). Sorry, but that’s going to make me question Barnes’ offensive strategy. It’s always looked like advanced trigonometry when it comes to running sets that free up easy shots. No offense, but I don’t follow Barnes’ offensive philosophy. And that’s why I’m willing to bet he never advances to another F4.
 
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WaywardVol said:
If you take the fact that Carr was at UT out of the equation, and you’re going after players in the portal, is his defense an issue? How many players are averaging the numbers Carr is at Baylor? Would Chaz or Dalton have made it under Barnes as developmental players? I don’t think so.

In the last three years, Barnes’ best scorers are not players he groomed. And that includes two of the best seasons we’ve ever had.

It wasn’t that Carr simply didn’t play defense while he was here. He couldn’t do anything on offense in the limited minutes he saw either. This while pundits were saying he was the best offensive potential player from what they’d seen in practice. Huh? All the kid does is change zip codes and 10 Months later he’s a leading scorer and rebounder in the country. And let’s not pretend he transferred to a marginal program. He’s playing for a recent National Championship Coach and team (21’). Sorry, but that’s going to make me question Barnes’ offensive strategy. It’s always looked like advanced trigonometry when it comes to running sets that free up easy shots. No offense, but I don’t follow Barnes’ offensive philosophy. And that’s why I’m willing to bet he never advances to another F4.
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Offensive system is fine. It's easy to claim otherwise using a ridiculous example like Carr, since you don't seem to know why he left. Grant Williams and Admiral Schofield both seemed to develop quite well with Barnes' offensive system. Chandler in his one year did as well. And let's not forget Zigler, who flourished quite well offensively at the point guard position..
 
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You keep casting aspersions. Ok, why did he leave?
Regardless, he couldn’t get on the floor and when he did, he didn’t score.

I never said no one developed under Barnes. I would say Okpara has developed. He had zero offensive game when he arrived. I’m saying in the last three seasons. Lanier and Knecht are his most prolific scorers and they’re transfers. Gillespie looks to be that guy this year. Barnes staff has completely turned over since Grant and Admiral. I actually liked his offense when he first arrived. Now it seems everything is a struggle. Especially if you don’t have that one guy who can just go get a bucket.
 
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WaywardVol said:
You keep casting aspersions. Ok, why did he leave?
Regardless, he couldn’t get on the floor and when he did, he didn’t score.

I never said no one developed under Barnes. I would say Okpara has developed. He had zero offensive game when he arrived. I’m saying in the last three seasons. Lanier and Knecht are his most prolific scorers and they’re transfers. Gillespie looks to be that guy this year. Barnes staff has completely turned over since Grant and Admiral. I actually liked his offense when he first arrived. Now it seems everything is a struggle. Especially if you don’t have that one guy who can just go get a bucket.
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The problem I see in your argument is that you're basically describing the current state of college basketball everywhere and attributing the idea of the best offensive players being transfers to Rick Barnes as a black mark.

The best players from almost every top-25 team are likely transfers like Gillespie or instant impact freshmen like Ament. That isn't uniques to Barnes and Tennessee.
 
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cncchris33 said:
The problem I see in your argument is that you're basically describing the current state of college basketball everywhere and attributing the idea of the best offensive players being transfers to Rick Barnes as a black mark.

The best players from almost every top-25 team are likely transfers like Gillespie or instant impact freshmen like Ament. That isn't uniques to Barnes and Tennessee.
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Fair point. I actually give Barnes credit for identifying and getting those players. The frustrating part is he gives those players liberties he doesn’t give his freshman recruits.
 
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WaywardVol said:
Fair point. I actually give Barnes credit for identifying and getting those players. The frustrating part is he gives those players liberties he doesn’t give his freshman recruits.
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I'd say that is typically because you got and paid those transfers to play and fill an immediate area of need.

Most freshmen outside of guys like the Ament types are developmental. But, Zeigler played a lot as a freshman. Awaka played a lot as a freshman. D. Brown is playing a lot as a freshman. They have roles and they were willing to accept their roles and do the things Barnes asked of them. Carr had a problem doing that, and then he had off the court issues that compounded things.

Sure, if offense were the only thing that mattered and discipline was optional, then Barnes was a fool to not play him more. But we know those things aren't true and Carr knew what he was signing up for. The book is out on Barnes. I don't feel sorry for any high school senior that commits to play for him and then is surprised when they get coached hard or they are required to play defense. I can't think of a single freshman who has gotten a pass on those issues. Transfers in this era are a different story. Hard to break some habits in less than a year, so you make concessions.
 
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brockytop said:
He’s averaging 33 mpg, 22.7 ppg on 56% FG shooting, 52% 3 point FG, 79% FT, and almost 6 rebounds pg for Baylor.

Hard to question much of anything Barnes has done here, but I felt like Carr and Tobe Awaka were two players that never got the minutes they deserved and would’ve been solid contributors had they remained Vols.
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Cam Carr will be in the NBA as predicted when he first got here. The talent was always there but he was always behind multiple year starters and seniors at the wing the 1st 2 years: Mashack, Lanier, Knecht, Vescovi, JJJ. Coming from an NBA family he wants to get to the league sooner than later and believes in himself. His decision to leave was best for both parties and his Vol teammates respected his decision and still support him today. Last year he was a top 3 offensive player for us. Was too early in the season to really get to see his impact in a major way. The game before his injury was lights out by the way! This year if he stays healthy he's going pro. No surprise here. The best to him and his family.
 
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This is how I view Cam Carr as a Vol. He fits but he didn't belong here. And that's ok.

Same with guys like Justin Powell: great at Auburn & Washington State and even made the Cleveland Cavs NBA roster. But did not belong at TN.


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