President Donald Trump - J.D. Vance Administration

[GVF]

His bailout of the soybean farmers and payout to furloughed automotive workers were due to his lack of understanding of tariffs and his incompetent distributive negotiations on tariffs. Nothing about Democratic or Republican strategy on that front. That was dumbed downed real estate Trump ideology

I can see that. IMO though, tariffs do work...IF structured and implemented correctly. I get why he attacked them like he did. I also agree NAFTA had to change. That was also a Clinton version of the same real estate ideology so to speak. And was the beginning of the end of america. Being in textiles management at the time, I experienced first hand what NAFTA did to American manufacturing, and the one thing Trump does understand correctly is on-shore manufacturing is the back bone of an economy. I'll leave plaenty of room for argument on how he tries to implement his ideals, but he does know why he is trying to do his thing. That's why I voted Perot back in the day. I personally feel a POTUS should be a skilled businessman and negotiator, not a next man up career DC dumba**. You got Congress for the rest of hte matters at hand. The bleeding out had to stop and equalize. Just not sure plan B, or next phase has been thought out yet. But, I'm going off old business class days. I'm not an international finance or trade expert by any means. What I do agree with though is if we are paying XXX amount of tariffs to export to the EU, or wherever, our reciprocal import tariff should not be X. In their simplest forms, tariffs should maybe be based off currency exchnage rates. The method to which tariffs and trade is rectified has plenty of room for argument.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

I can see that. IMO though, tariffs do work...IF structured and implemented correctly. I get why he attacked them like he did. I also agree NAFTA had to change. That was also a Clinton version of the same real estate ideology so to speak. And was the beginning of the end of america. Being in textiles management at the time, I experienced first hand what NAFTA did to American manufacturing, and the one thing Trump does understand correctly is on-shore manufacturing is the back bone of an economy. I'll leave plaenty of room for argument on how he tries to implement his ideals, but he does know why he is trying to do his thing. That's why I voted Perot back in the day. I personally feel a POTUS should be a skilled businessman and negotiator, not a next man up career DC dumba**. You got Congress for the rest of hte matters at hand. The bleeding out had to stop and equalize. Just not sure plan B, or next phase has been thought out yet. But, I'm going off old business class days. I'm not an international finance or trade expert by any means. What I do agree with though is if we are paying XXX amount of tariffs to export to the EU, or wherever, our reciprocal import tariff should not be X. In their simplest forms, tariffs should maybe be based off currency exchnage rates. The method to which tariffs and trade is rectified has plenty of room for argument.

I agree with trying to balance trade, BUT negotiations must be done in a more moderate, integrated manner rather than in a distributive manner like real estate negotiation. Dealings in real estate aren't the same in any manner as international trade

 

[GVF]

His bailout of the soybean farmers and payout to furloughed automotive workers were due to his lack of understanding of tariffs and his incompetent distributive negotiations on tariffs. Nothing about Democratic or Republican strategy on that front. That was dumbed downed real estate Trump ideology

My other thought on that is farmers have been held captive by the American Ag and Chemical Machine far too long. The only pathway to free and profitable farming is a return to regenerative farming, which has many success stories over the last decade or so from those that broken free. Farmers that have gone from $350K loans to buy seed and depending on farm subsidies to feed their own family when they grow chemically induced food that other countries refuse to buy.... to being subsidy free, reduced annual expenses of over $2mil, and turning their own profits. And returning dirt to soil mass...which also resolves carbon positive effects. I shouldn't have got started on this. My dad was an agronomist and world renowned peanut scientist and my step-son is in the business. I got stories from him that'll make you quit buying GMO free corn at the store. It matters not how your food is grown in america. You're either ingesting X amount of chemicals, or you're ingesting X amount of chemicals. GMO free or Organic does not equate to healthy or good for you. Scam and Fact. ....also, there is currently only one known unhybridized wheat berry in existence today.

Edit: Corporate farming in America as it currently exists is the single larget mafia family in existence.

Search regenerative farming on Prime and Netflix and start watching. There are mexican cattle farmers that began regenerative grazing in the northern deserts and have helped return portions of the desert where they practice this grazing to the native grasslands they once were, which brings regular rain to those parts of the desert. They call themselves the desert rainmakers. What a farmer in ND has achieved (1. Not taking a subsidy since 2017) is mind boggling. And the pictures at the property line of his farm and his neighbors commercial dirt and chemical farm is eye popping. And his farm productivity is higher, while reducing his debt and necessary equipment and turning profits..

 

[GVF]

I agree with trying to balance trade, BUT negotiations must be done in a more moderate, integrated manner rather than in a distributive manner like real estate negotiation. Dealings in real estate aren't the same in any manner as international trade

I don't know the fine tunings of all that. I was a useless marketing major. Which is why I buckled up and tacked on an MBA. Now, you point to the manufacturing floor and say go get that right, and i'll run the crap out of it. So, I will yield that you are obviously more knowledgeable in this than I. I would add on a generic level that negotiations, in theory, are also more effective if they are not one sided and hitched to tantrums. I am curious if there is some method to his madness though. Maybe he does what he does to put his opponents on a world stage, then they go out back and shuffle the deck and make deals after he has them in a bad light to get what he wants. He doesn't however polish turds very well.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

I don't know the fine tunings of all that. I was a useless marketing major. Which is why I buckled up and tacked on an MBA. Now, you point to the manufacturing floor and say go get that right, and i'll run the crap out of it. So, I will yield that you are obviously more knowledgeable in this than I. I would add on a generic level that negotiations, in theory, are also more effective if they are not one sided and hitched to tantrums. I am curious if there is some method to his madness though. Maybe he does what he does to put his opponents on a world stage, then they go out back and shuffle the deck and make deals after he has them in a bad light to get what he wants. He doesn't however polish turds very well.

I get it. No worries. A distributive trade negotiation is one where the negotiation has only two possible outcomes. Real estate is the textbook example. An integrated trade negotiation is one where there are more than two possible outcomes. The textbook example is international trade. Not just learning that in theory from my economics degrees, but having first hand experience with it in my professional and personal dealings along the way the past 40 years. In his first term Trump made a point of stating it was just like "doing a real estate deals" when questioned about his method for negotiating.

 

[GVF]

I get it. No worries. A distributive trade negotiation is one where the negotiation has only two possible outcomes. Real estate is the textbook example. An integrated trade negotiation is one where there are more than two possible outcomes. The textbook example is international trade. Not just learning that in theory from my economics degrees, but having first hand experience with it in my professional and personal dealings along the way the past 40 years. In his first term Trump made a point of stating it was just like "doing a real estate deals" when questioned about his method for negotiating.

Thanks for the snapshot. Not that it would do any good, but front line experts as yourself that have done this for a living, especially economics pros, and know it inside out are who political advisors should come from. I could lend two cents on manfacturing and the effects of losing the manufacturing base, but Econ 101 was not my firend. Atleast at 18.

I don't know exactly what you are referring to as having more than two possible outcomes in internatioal trade negotiations, but I can envision more than two entities in such a negotiation being a positive if properly performed. Two entities may not always have the best offerings for each others interest for example, but three or four trade partners in a group negotiation could possibly have more cards to shuffle around to benefit a greater group and manage tariffs better. But, that is subjective theory.

To your point about his economic negotiating verses real estate, he negotiated the best deal ever to replace NAFTA in his first term. In his second he railed against his own deal and called it a bad dela and started a trade and tariff war with our neighbor. I think he forgot whose deal that was. Besides, trade deals shouldn't always be one on one. Too many deals to manage effectively. Maybe a few necessary ones. But then you should maybe expand to trade zone deals with multiple entities benefitting the whole. Not a new concept, but one he has digressed away from this term. Somewhat, but not completely. The EU is a trade zone. The Uk has pulled away and has to be dealt with individually.

Edit: I have a slightly crooked pinky finger from no pad football in college. My spelling can sometimes be dislexic and I don't catch them all.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Thanks for the snapshot. Not that it would do any good, but front line experts as yourself that have done this for a living, especially economics pros, and know it inside out are who political advisors should come from. I could lend two cents on manfacturing and the effects of losing the manufacturing base, but Econ 101 was not my firend. Atleast at 18.

I don't know exactly what you are referring to as having more than two possible outcomes in internatioal trade negotiations, but I can envision more than two entities in such a negotiation being a positive if properly performed. Two entities may not always have the best offerings for each others interest for example, but three or four trade partners in a group negotiation could possibly have more cards to shuffle around to benefit a greater group and manage tariffs better. But, that is subjective theory.

A perfect example in his first term was with China and soybeans. Trump came in with an extremely high rate at the outset. China, in turn, bought Russia's surplus, then negotiated ongoing deals with Argentina and Brazil for continued supply. Russia doesn't supply soybeans to others as a rule but had built up a reasonable supply from not being an international supplier. Both Argentina and Brazil can sustain a regular supply schedule

 

[GVF]

A perfect example in his first term was with China and soybeans. Trump came in with an extremely high rate at the outset. China, in turn, bought Russia's surplus, then negotiated ongoing deals with Argentina and Brazil for continued supply. Russia doesn't supply soybeans to others as a rule but had built up a reasonable supply from not being an international supplier. Both Argentina and Brazil can sustain a regular supply schedule

Sounds more like an eff up than a bad trade deal. lol. Not sure I recall the soybean debacle. Apparently he didn't accept their desire to counter and negotiate at all. At the end of the day though, the better deal is the one that doesn't leave your goods completely unsold and your farmers bent over the tractor seat.

Trump does remind me of our owner. He thinks he's the only one that knows anything. And he will hire a seasoned manager, then tell him everything he attempts to accomplish won't work and micro manages his moves when he is clearly inferior to the person he hired. No one ever stays in that particular position longer than 3-6 months. I no longer bother to learn names till they clear 12 months.

 

[BeardedVol]

If people cannot afford to attend the schools have but two choices, lower the tuition or close.

Yep, that's definitely the goal of the Department of Education here, do lower the coast of nursing programs.

 

[hog88]

Yep, that's definitely the goal of the Department of Education here, do lower the coast of nursing programs.

I didn't say that it was one of their goals. Lowering attendance cost would just be a byproduct of their decision.

Funny that you have no argument that it wouldn't happen.

 

[Ritzwatch]

I didn't say that it was one of their goals. Lowering attendance cost would just be a byproduct of their decision.

Funny that you have no argument that it wouldn't happen.

BV’s whole schtick is to misstate what people are saying, then knock it down.

He is the Master Strawman.
The BeardedStrawman, if you prefer. (BS for short.)

 

[BeardedVol]

I didn't say that it was one of their goals. Lowering attendance cost would just be a byproduct of their decision.

Funny that you have no argument that it wouldn't happen.

Man I'm agreeing with you here, that's definitely what the WWE chairwoman is doing, just trying to make nursing school more affordable be reducing access to federal loan programs for advanced nursing degrees.

 

[BeardedVol]

Lol

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[hog88]

Man I'm agreeing with you here, that's definitely what the WWE chairwoman is doing, just trying to make nursing school more affordable be reducing access to federal loan programs for advanced nursing degrees.

It's been my contention that if all federally guaranteed student loans went away, the schools would be forced to lower the cost of attendance.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[BowlBrother85]

I didn't say that it was one of their goals. Lowering attendance cost would just be a byproduct of their decision.

Funny that you have no argument that it wouldn't happen.

I think that's true .... but would those reductions in attendance costs be significant enough for a college applicant from a low income family to complete a bachelor's degree without a loan?

 

[appvol]

 

[appvol]

 

[appvol]

Hard to stay afloat when you don’t have taxpayer money being funneled back to you

 

[appvol]

 

[appvol]

Remind me, was it the KKK donnie said were very fine people? I forgot. And didn't he mention blacks and minorities are predisposed to crime?

Going with that debunked hoax are you

 

[appvol]

You obviously suffer from TDS trump denial syndrome. Anything orange says or does is acceptable to your kind. As far as debunked orange said it during his first debate with Biden.

Donnie not Biden was sued and paid penalties for discrimination against blacks I'm his apartments.

 

[luthervol]

Wow a twofer reply. LMAO hit close to home huh?

Yea.
Your post was incredibly stupid on two levels so it got two responses.

The only thing that hit "close to home" about it is how indicative it is of so much of the PF.

Complete obliviousness to ones own ignorance.

 

[swampfoxfan]

Shop around you'll find a poll giving donnie 75%.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Yea.
Your post was incredibly stupid on two levels so it got two responses.

The only thing that hit "close to home" about it is how indicative it is of so much of the PF.

Complete obliviousness to ones own ignorance.

I’ll rack this up as a third russled jimmies reply

Day in day out you make ridiculous blatantly stupid hot takes. You’re always called on it. And then you go all coy that people just don’t understand what you’re saying. Everyone replies to you with that stance. But yeah it has to be all of us not you