After digesting this, Nico, Boo (Who) = losers imo.

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OrangeScare said:
Right! We need complete and comprehensive background and character assessments of each and every High School recruit before we even consider their on the field talents. Why take a chance on a potential first round draft pick when you could settle for a well rounded bench warmer.
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Yep. If you recruit all choir boys, you’ll end up with the Mormon Tabernacle Choir and not a playoff caliber football team. I think it was Bear Bryant that said he wanted a few guys on his team that he had to bail out of jail on Saturday morning so they could play that afternoon.

Having said that, if the parental issues were already there, I believe I’d have to weigh that.
 
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volfan2024 said:
Just saying, We do not need losers in Neyland. We produce winners. Somebody needs to do better recruiting homework, jeez!
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When we recruit kids out of high school, they are just that - kids!. Some are mature, some aren’t. Some will mature, some won’t. For some kids, this is their first exposure to the real world. Having to earn everything, and being responsible for one’s own behavior.
It can be a tough lesson for some.
 
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I do believe it was a mistake by CJH to give him a chance to get back into good graces. Got to wonder how bending over backwards to a young man clearly with attitude issues might have hurt the morale in the locker room.
 
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Delmar said:
Yep. If you recruit all choir boys, you’ll end up with the Mormon Tabernacle Choir and not a playoff caliber football team. I think it was Bear Bryant that said he wanted a few guys on his team that he had to bail out of jail on Saturday morning so they could play that afternoon.

Having said that, if the parental issues were already there, I believe I’d have to weigh that.
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We aren’t even recruiting criminals. Just beta wanna be gangsters with pushy parents. Where’s my Pac Man Jones?
 
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volpadre said:
I do believe it was a mistake by CJH to give him a chance to get back into good graces. Got to wonder how bending over backwards to a young man clearly with attitude issues might have hurt the morale in the locker room.
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Depending on the offense, I think giving a kid a chance to earn his way back is not a bad thing. It puts it on him to make the right choices. If he doesn't we move on and we did everything we could to help him succeed.

To me, that's the standard. We will do everything we can within reason to help a kid succeed, but we can't want that success more than he does. If he's unable or unwilling to do what is necessary, we have to let him go.
 
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Okie said:
Depending on the offense, I think giving a kid a chance to earn his way back is not a bad thing. It puts it on him to make the right choices. If he doesn't we move on and we did everything we could to help him succeed.

To me, that's the standard. We will do everything we can within reason to help a kid succeed, but we can't want that success more than he does. If he's unable or unwilling to do what is necessary, we have to let him go.
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It would seem from what I’m hearing there has always been drama surrounding him and his camp, even during high school days. I too believe in second chances, but there might have been a few more chances burned due to his exceptional talent on the field
 
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volpadre said:
It would seem from what I’m hearing there has always been drama surrounding him and his camp, even during high school days. I too believe in second chances, but there might have been a few more chances burned due to his exceptional talent on the field
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Definitely were some red flags, but sometimes getting a kid out of an environment with some good mentoring and guidance makes the difference. I don’t know what kind of life that Boo had at home, maybe it was great. Sometimes giving a young man (or woman) a second chance is the difference maker, but when you’ve given someone a chance, and then a second chance, it’s time to move on and just hope they have learned something.
Best of luck to Boo, and Nico, they both brought some brief excitement to the Volunteers.
 
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volfan2024 said:
Just saying, We do not need losers in Neyland. We produce winners. Somebody needs to do better recruiting homework, jeez!
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Every team has players that fizzle out like this. Every coach we have ever had has dealt with it. This won’t be the first or last time.. the difference between now and then is the access to social media for the athlete wasn’t what it is now, back then.
 
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feathersax said:
It's getting harder with the
N.I.L., transfer portal, etc
Greed personal prestige & $$$ taking precedence over loyalty, teamwork, honesty.
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100 percent .these kids are entitled to a price take before they take there first college snap .the term vfl will vanish in a short period of time.
 
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The elite athlete football players (especially in the South) are treated with such kid gloves that their sense of entitlement frequently knows no bounds. That's one thing, and in college, a few barking linebackers can set you straight in a hurry. But if you add in stage parents with visions of fame and fortune dancing in their heads, I can see how it can swell a young person's head in a hurry. I wonder how and why these issues can't be included in their NIL contracts. Or why not give out the money on a weekly basis, with grounds for withholding predicated on the very issues that Boo (and Nico) was guilty of. Giving a naive kid a check for bookuu bucks is a recipe for disaster
 
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Hairy Vols said:
Every team has players that fizzle out like this. Every coach we have ever had has dealt with it. This won’t be the first or last time.. the difference between now and then is the access to social media for the athlete wasn’t what it is now, back then.
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Janzen Jackson (may have misspelled name) comes to mind. All the talent in the world, the second coming of Eric Berry but couldn’t get out his own dang way.
 
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Volwonder1 said:
Janzen Jackson (may have misspelled name) comes to mind. All the talent in the world, the second coming of Eric Berry but couldn’t get out his own dang way.
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Brent Schaeffer will always be my what if story. I think dude could have been something great here. Tbh I don’t think he has a poor attitude just made a poor mistake.
 
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bornbleddinorange said:
Good players can overcome a bad coach - a good coach can elevate average players and then rarely you have the two headed monster (Kirby Smart - Nick Saban - Urban Meyer )
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We're talented in some areas, but overall, I don't think we're all that talented. Certainly no where near elite. Same for the coaching staff. We're just not well coached nor are we physical. Kinda soft actually.

Watch the physicality Saturday night. UF will definitely punch us in the mouth and get in our faces early. How will we respond?

Rhetorical. Teams reflect their coach.
 
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MontyPython said:
This.

Remember... they're still kids.
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And now we're paying these "kids" life changing money. What could possibly go wrong? Add to that parents who now view their offspring as an asset and it's a toxic brew.

Hated losing Vitello, but I can see the allure of no longer having to deal with this crap and working with mature guys who have a stinking contract. Add collective bargaining and contracts and you greatly reduce the insanity these coaches have to deal with on a daily basis. Provide some structure...some rules for Pete's sake.
 
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preacherrandy said:
When I applied to be a deputy sheriff. I had to have physical and a psychological evaluation to make sure I had no mental issues that would not be detrimental to myself, the department or the public. Maybe these young men should be evaluated for the same reasons if they are not already having the evals done.
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Anybody remember "Hacksaw Reynolds" from the 60s? He might have failed that test. He sawed a car in half with a hacksaw after losing to Archie Manning in the "Jackson Massacre". LOL
 
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preacherrandy said:
When I applied to be a deputy sheriff. I had to have physical and a psychological evaluation to make sure I had no mental issues that would not be detrimental to myself, the department or the public. Maybe these young men should be evaluated for the same reasons if they are not already having the evals done.
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Do you mind taking a psychological evaluation? “We will get back to you.”
 
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preacherrandy said:
When I applied to be a deputy sheriff. I had to have physical and a psychological evaluation to make sure I had no mental issues that would not be detrimental to myself, the department or the public. Maybe these young men should be evaluated for the same reasons if they are not already having the evals done.
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Supposedly, coaches start developing "relationships" with recruits very, very early. I'd assume by their sophomore year they've started to compile a list of kids they want to focus on? If that's the case, how is it that over 2-3 years kids like Nico/Boo and their families don't raise any red flags?

Nico and his jet set family getting cross country trips plus Boos Mom and her social media presence? The issues that reportedly led to Boos transfers during his HS career? None of that caught the attention of this staff? And if it did, they chose to ignore it? They didn't think Nico's clan might be high maintenance and focused on money? Same for Carter. Guess they thought it worth the risk? Strange.
 
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