Heup to LSU noise and where does TN job rank?

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lilesrt said:
Random question.. who here would rather have Alex Golesh over Josh Heupel?
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We are all frustrated with the way we have lost games this year, but if I put my emotions to the side, I’m still sticking with Heupel. There are still too many unknowns with Golesh. Everyone wants to give him credit for 2022, but has it been confirmed that he had complete ownership of the offense and play calling? How about defense? Would it be any better under Golesh? Not sure about his game day management or clock management either. He beat FSU and Florida with less talent but it turns out those teams are just not that good
 
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SubVet676 said:
I made two points. One is that Kiffin is willing to make a change, where Heupel apparently is not.
The other being that Golding is better than Banks .

I’ll stand by what I said. If you find it comical then feel free to laugh away.

I have no idea where Kiffin’s ceiling is. But…one more time… I am very confident that UT will not compete for a conference or national championship with Banks as the defensive coordinator.

That’s my point.
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It depends. If his defense gets some more depth and plays like last year he absolutely will.

If Kiffin was to fire Banks this year with the injuries we sustained at DB after last season he would be foolish. That’s impulsive.

Your only argument for Kiffin being better might have been a decision he wasn’t even fully part of. How do you know Kiffin didn’t want to keep his old DC? Were you there? I’ll base it on paper and currently the two coaches are tied with Heupel ahead bc he is the only one who has ever made the playoffs.
 
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Hairy Vols said:
It depends. If his defense gets some more depth and plays like last year he absolutely will.

If Kiffin was to fire Banks this year with the injuries we sustained at DB after last season he would be foolish. That’s impulsive.

Your only argument for Kiffin being better might have been a decision he wasn’t even fully part of. How do you know Kiffin didn’t want to keep his old DC? Were you there? I’ll base it on paper and currently the two coaches are tied with Heupel ahead bc he is the only one who has ever made the playoffs.
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Good points. Also, I think that we look at 2022 as a form of nostalgia as fans because other than the letdown at South Carolina, it was an incredible season. What we fail to remember is that the 2022 defense was not much better than this years (92 in overall defense, 99 this year). I think that a large part of Banks's defenses giving up a lot of yardage and points is due to the speed of the offense. Throw in missing two of the nation's best corners (one of which is probably THE best) and this is what you get. Last year we slowed things down significantly due to Nico's inability to run up tempo which resulted in less offensive possessions for our opponents. Obviously we had more talent on defense last year but this was a contributing factor.
 
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rocketskates said:
Good points. Also, I think that we look at 2022 as a form of nostalgia as fans because other than the letdown at South Carolina, it was an incredible season. What we fail to remember is that the 2022 defense was not much better than this years (92 in overall defense, 99 this year). I think that a large part of Banks's defenses giving up a lot of yardage and points is due to the speed of the offense. Throw in missing two of the nation's best corners (one of which is probably THE best) and this is what you get. Last year we slowed things down significantly due to Nico's inability to run up tempo which resulted in less offensive possessions for our opponents. Obviously we had more talent on defense last year but this was a contributing factor.
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With Banks’ perceived limitation and what we’ve seen so far from him do you think it is impossible for us to have a defense similar to what we had last while also having a good offense? It is impossible for them to coexist? Similar to Mike Leachs old Texas Tech teams in that regard?
 
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Hairy Vols said:
With Banks’ perceived limitation and what we’ve seen so far from him do you think it is impossible for us to have a defense similar to what we had last while also having a good offense? It is impossible for them to coexist? Similar to Mike Leachs old Texas Tech teams in that regard?
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Possible to have a "good" defense but not a "great" defense when you're giving the other team so many possessions due to your own offense running so quickly. If you look at most up-tempo offenses, historically they give up a good amount of yardage and points; the difference maker is turnovers and getting enough stops per game to give your team the chance to win. Despite their shortcomings, the defense has done both in every game this season. The offense needs to do a better job at capitalizing on those opportunities, or maybe the coaches need to do a better job of being more aggressive in those situations. Three instances come to mind, one of which definitely would've won the game.

1. The strip sack against Georgia in their territory, we proceed to run three times and settle for a field goal. You score a touchdown there and take the wind out of Georgia's sails, the game is over. Gilbert isn't attempting a field goal, Joey is taking a knee in victory formation.

2. The turnover near mid field against Alabama. I believe that we were down by 10 at the time with a chance to cut it to within 3 or within 7 at the very least. Once again, three straight runs, punt and Alabama mounts another 90+ yard drive which essentially put the game away.

3. The turnover against Oklahoma. We had just scored on our opening possession and had all of the momentum. The defense then gets a big fumble recovery as Oklahoma is driving to re-take the lead. Once again, three straight runs and a punt giving Oklahoma the chance to re-take the lead.

The defense hasn't been great but often times after turnovers we play "not to lose". I love Heupel as a coach but he needs to shake that mentality. When you get a turnover you turn it into 6. "Play for, and make the breaks, and when one comes our way score". I won't even get started on the Bama goal line pick 6 and the Oklahoma strip sack return. Both of which ended up deciding the game either by momentum (Bama) or by points (Oklahoma). Sorry for my long winded post, but I could speak ad nauseum about this subject. That's why this season has been so frustrating. Missed opportunities. You're a few plays away from, at the very least, being 8-1 right now.

Now for the silver lining--we aren't getting blown out by 40 points to the likes of Alabama and Georgia anymore, which tells me that the talent gap is closing (a good thing). But Josh needs to be a little more bloodthirsty with his play calling in certain situations. Prime example of when Heupel did the right thing; 2022 Alabama, they miss the late field goal and we get ourselves into field goal range via aggressive play calling. Do we beat Bama if we run three straight times and settle for overtime in that situation? Who knows. But it goes to show that Heupel is capable of taking advantage of breaks and needs to do so more often.

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EasternVol said:
The big majority would have said last season that we had a solid DC. Other than injuries to key players, what's the difference this season?
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I can’t speak for anyone else but I’ve never thought that Banks was the DC for a program that wanted to be taken seriously as a playoff contender. I think last year was an outlier and the more accurate gauge was the night that Kiffin ran Matt Corral 17-18 times and Banks never adjusted.
 
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rocketskates said:
Possible to have a "good" defense but not a "great" defense when you're giving the other team so many possessions due to your own offense running so quickly. If you look at most up-tempo offenses, historically they give up a good amount of yardage and points; the difference maker is turnovers and getting enough stops per game to give your team the chance to win. Despite their shortcomings, the defense has done both in every game this season. The offense needs to do a better job at capitalizing on those opportunities, or maybe the coaches need to do a better job of being more aggressive in those situations. Three instances come to mind, one of which definitely would've won the game.

1. The strip sack against Georgia in their territory, we proceed to run three times and settle for a field goal. You score a touchdown there and take the wind out of Georgia's sails, the game is over. Gilbert isn't attempting a field goal, Joey is taking a knee in victory formation.

2. The turnover near mid field against Alabama. I believe that we were down by 10 at the time with a chance to cut it to within 3 or within 7 at the very least. Once again, three straight runs, punt and Alabama mounts another 90+ yard drive which essentially put the game away.

3. The turnover against Oklahoma. We had just scored on our opening possession and had all of the momentum. The defense then gets a big fumble recovery as Oklahoma is driving to re-take the lead. Once again, three straight runs and a punt giving Oklahoma the chance to re-take the lead.

The defense hasn't been great but often times after turnovers we play "not to lose". I love Heupel as a coach but he needs to shake that mentality. When you get a turnover you turn it into 6. "Play for, and make the breaks, and when one comes our way score". I won't even get started on the Bama goal line pick 6 and the Oklahoma strip sack return. Both of which ended up deciding the game either by momentum (Bama) or by points (Oklahoma). Sorry for my long winded post, but I could speak ad nauseum about this subject. That's why this season has been so frustrating. Missed opportunities. You're a few plays away from, at the very least, being 8-1 right now.

Now for the silver lining--we aren't getting blown out by 40 points to the likes of Alabama and Georgia anymore, which tells me that the talent gap is closing (a good thing). But Josh needs to be a little more bloodthirsty with his play calling in certain situations. Prime example of when Heupel did the right thing; 2022 Alabama, they miss the late field goal and we get ourselves into field goal range via aggressive play calling. Do we beat Bama if we run three straight times and settle for overtime in that situation? Who knows. But it goes to show that Heupel is capable of taking advantage of breaks and needs to do so more often.

Thank you for attending my TED Talk.
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All points I’ve said myself and agree with. This kinda convos are why I love being here. The weird thing about Heupel is I don’t feel like he was that way his first season here. He does the same thing Fulmer did in that regard. It just feels like we never go for the “kill” to put it in simplistic terms.

My biggest criticism of Heupel would be the lack of aggressiveness and willingness to put teams away. The Georgia game this year was a prime example. But it’s hard for me to overly criticize him because at the end of the day he usually wins. Leaving those small moments up to chance tho is the reason we had to rely on the kicker who ultimately let us down at the end.

I do believe he can correct this and will at some point. I just don’t know what he logical reasoning is sometimes. I normally assume he knows something I don’t.

The only other criticism I can think of with him would be his lack of diversity with runs in the red zone but I also know a lot of people want us to pound the rock in that situation so that might be a preference thing… then again the INT cost us all the motivation versus Bama before the half. lol.
 
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Apparently Heupel is willing to talk to LSU.Wether for a raise or to head there anyway.Florida is offering Kiffin in the neighborhood of 15 million.LSU is willing to pay close to that.Kirby is the highest paid coach at 13 now. Kiffin is trending to Florida as Vegas has taken down anything related to odds on UF’s coaching search.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
I think it's only a remote possibility Heupel would leave. That being said, there would be only one guy I would go after and I am not going to mention his name. One of my buddies that posts here may run me down on my afternoon walk with the dog 😯
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If someone wants to give Heupel more than we currently are, then maybe we can give Golesh more than USF can. I’m tired of this extravagant spending on coaches who have never put together a championship team.
 
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Volizona said:
We are all frustrated with the way we have lost games this year, but if I put my emotions to the side, I’m still sticking with Heupel. There are still too many unknowns with Golesh. Everyone wants to give him credit for 2022, but has it been confirmed that he had complete ownership of the offense and play calling? How about defense? Would it be any better under Golesh? Not sure about his game day management or clock management either. He beat FSU and Florida with less talent but it turns out those teams are just not that good
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I would prefer Heupel stay and continue building this thing.

But if he left for some reason, Golesch would be on my short list to interview.
 
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Surely Heup won’t get an offer
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He will most definitely get an offer. The question is can TN beat it and/or do other things to make it worth Coach Heupel's to stay at TN long term. Imo, TN should do all it can to keep him or risk going back to barely making bowl games. The SEC 9 game schedule is going to make it hard for most teams to avoid 3 losses, and with Heupel we always have a chance to win any game.

The fans calling for Heupel to be fired are low self-esteem idiots with tiny balls and big mouths.
 
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here's what I know for a fact. Danny White needs to grow a pair and figure out right now what he wants to do. either back the dump truck up at Heupel's door and decide that we ride or die with Heupel or cut him loose BEFORE he runs the program into the ground like we let happen with the last 3 coaches.

if there's going to be a coaching change it needs to be while Tennessee's program isn't decimated. we need something for th next coach to continue building on. no more of the rebuilding crap I get so damn tired of hearing people on this board excuse.
 
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Arrested Devolopment said:
He will most definitely get an offer. The question is can TN beat it and/or do other things to make it worth Coach Heupel's to stay at TN long term. Imo, TN should do all it can to keep him or risk going back to barely making bowl games. The SEC 9 game schedule is going to make it hard for most teams to avoid 3 losses, and with Heupel we always have a chance to win any game.

The fans calling for Heupel to be fired are low self-esteem idiots with tiny balls and big mouths.
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Sorry I am not in bidding war for Heupel. Let him go Lea or Key are better coaches. Let him go. He already is making more than he deserves.
 
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iuvol said:
To say UT is not a year in and year out contender for the playoffs may change. They would have been under Fulmer. And I have no reason to believe we can’t be under Heupel, especially when they expand to 16 games. We are a FG away from being in contention right now.
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We're also 2 plays( 1 each against Miss St and Arky) from being a 5 loss team. This team is just not that good, Atleast from the coaching aspect and discipline.
 
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Legion of Doom said:
Sorry I am not in bidding war for Heupel. Let him go Lea or Key are better coaches. Let him go. He already is making more than he deserves.
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Lea isn't leaving his Alma Mater. But I agree, he's not worth a bidding war. I'm not so sure Golesh couldn't come in and make us better. Atleast I think he's hire a better staff and not just his buddies. I could be wrong.
 
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Here’s the thing LSU,Florida and us or anyone else trying to retain/hire a coach.Stock is up for football coaches this year.This won’t be absorbed with big boosters.Maybe some.It will affect every fan that attends games as we’ve already experienced it.Get ready across the land to pay donations or higher donations along with steeper ticket prices.God bless all but most of all send your money!
 
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Smokymtnbullet said:
Here’s the thing LSU,Florida and us or anyone else trying to retain/hire a coach.Stock is up for football coaches this year.This won’t be absorbed with big boosters.Maybe some.It will affect every fan that attends games as we’ve already experienced it.Get ready across the land to pay donations or higher donations along with steeper ticket prices.God bless all but most of all send your money!
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At some point the money will run out and everyone will come back to earth. The prices for Vols home SEC games is disgraceful for the product. Charging more than Alabama and Georgia does for tickets.
 
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