Israel vs Palestinians II

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Vol8188 said:
@Smokey123

Once again, thank you for pointing out my appropriate use of terms. It’s a reality that people believed x, is a different statement than saying x is a reality.

If you need clarification, I gladly can:

It’s a reality that many people thought Hamas was genuinely changing.
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Yes a reality of a op-ed that means nothing(like I said) And then you told me that is does in fact matter. Thanks for clarification
 
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Smokey123 said:
Yes a reality of a op-ed that means nothing(like I said) And then you told me that is does in fact matter. Thanks for clarification
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Yes, public opinion matters. But public opinion is different than truth/reality.

I shouldn’t have to tell adults these things. An adult should be capable of understanding the distinction between character and public opinion of character.

Instead you act like a child “I guess Israel is the bad guy!”
 
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Vol8188 said:
Yes, public opinion matters. But public opinion is different than truth/reality.

I shouldn’t have to tell adults these things. An adult should be capable of understanding the distinction between character and public opinion of character.

Instead you act like a child “I guess Israel is the bad guy!”
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Public opinion doesn’t matter. But it does matter to you when you get to use it for your own benefit. As you’ve done time and time again

More strawman
 
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Smokey123 said:
Public opinion doesn’t matter. But it does matter to you when you get to use it for your own benefit. As you’ve done time and time again

More strawman
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There was zero strawman to any of that. Your actual argument was that I must think Israel is bad because of public opinion. That’s not a strawman of your statement. It’s the literal argument.

I’m telling you that’s a pathetically dishonest argument.

Idk how you’re not understanding this. It’s concerning.
 
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Vol8188 said:
There was zero strawman to any of that. Your actual argument was that I must think Israel is bad because of public opinion. That’s not a strawman of your statement. It’s the literal argument.

I’m telling you that’s a pathetically dishonest argument.

Idk how you’re not understanding this. It’s concerning.
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That wasn’t my argument. But no surprise you can’t understand it. Continue on moving your goalposts and your logical fallacies, it’s what you do best
 
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Smokey123 said:
That wasn’t my argument. But no surprise you can’t understand it. Continue on moving your goalposts and your logical fallacies, it’s what you do best
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No goal posts movement. No fallacies. I’m literally quoting your argument. Here’s your actual quote.

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Oh public opinions matter on this conflict now? Guess Israel is the bad guy now according to you
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And in response to that, I’m stating:
Your actual argument was that I must think Israel is bad because of public opinion. That’s not a strawman of your statement. It’s the literal argument.

I’m telling you that’s a pathetically dishonest argument.

Idk how you’re not understanding this. It’s concerning
 
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Just to clarify The man that lectures people on anti semitism, calls them Hamas supporters etc. Has said Yasin wasn’t bad, Hamas was not found as a terror org, was peaceful prior to Oct 7th, also didn’t know the PIJ and Hamas essentially joined forces.

hilarious
 
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Vol8188 said:
When all else fails Huff always has his antisemitism to fall back on.

Unless there’s another valid reason to intentionally compare men with Jewish names to Ms Rachel
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I think you're being paranoid there. Were there bigger stories that the NYT buried?
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Only a democrat could wear blackface, pretend to grope women in public, and host a show starring girls in bikinis jumping on trampolines and still get a major television show.
These things are only disqualifying for conservatives
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Have you ever thought that maybe your partisanship's a bit out of control? Kimmel's lame but that's a ridiculous assertion. Life's a whole lot more than conservative vs. liberal.
 
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KB5252 said:
I actually do agree Apartheid would likely apply in the West Bank.

Palestinians are the pawns, for the Qataris and Iranians, and other sponsors in the Gulf, this is about Islamic holy war against infidels.

Warlords in conflict nations across Africa in Sudan, Niger, Congo Ethiopia, and more, these are just the ones I've been reading about lately (past 6 months on and off).

Many warlords and even some government forces have praised their sponsors in Gulf Nations, it has been long suspected and in some cases confirmed wealthy Gulf State sponsors funding/backing the Islamic forces there. It's honestly a sad state of affairs.

It's part of the reason I've been so fired up about the UN lately. Famine in some of these places has killed as many, if not more than the Palestinians then focused on. Add in those killed in fighting, and civilian massacres with depraved forms of torture its criminal this hasn't garnered the attention and condemnation the conflict in Israel did. The only real explanation can come up with is the UN is a corrupt and feckless organization with no moral compass.
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As I understand it, the conflict in Sudan is between the government and splinter group RSF. Both are Muslim and the many civilian casualties are Muslim. Almost the entire population in the conflict area is Muslim. The RSF's a nasty bunch and the government forces are pretty terrible too. There's a lot of gold at stake so there are probably foreign players. Where does religion factor in though, much less holy war?
I'm not familiar with conflicts in the other places mentioned. What are good sources to get up to speed?
edit- There are resolutions and sanctions on Sudan, and the head of the UN's been calling for.action. It looks like no member states have pushed for real action lately though.
 
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EasternVol said:
Have you ever thought that maybe your partisanship's a bit out of control? Kimmel's lame but that's a ridiculous assertion. Life's a whole lot more than conservative vs. liberal.
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Are you denying he did the things I listed? Or are you claiming that a conservative would have been given similar grace? Please elaborate
 
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EasternVol said:
How did they get on a plane? Did someone rebuild the airport in Gaza?
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They flew out of Israel. They were bused from Gaza to Israel and flown to Kenya, then SA. They were detained for hours on the tarmac for bureaucratic documentation issues, and eventually let in to SA.
 
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