Israel vs Palestinians II

[OrangeTsar]

Any Israeli casualties in 22 or 21? Remember this guy's viewpoint on the region before 10/7?

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If you shoot at someone but miss, the Police don’t let you off the hook you know.

 

[EasternVol]

Weren't the Arab's land given to Israel by a vote of several nations after the war?

I don't think so, and unless all the several nations had a legitimate claim to the land they'd have had no right to give it to anyone.

 

[KB5252]

The big troubles are not in Israel proper, they're in territory that Israel illegally occupies and runs as an apartheid system. And from the Palestinians evicted by Israel in the 1940's and their descendants.

It's a war over land, not a religious war, so I don't see how jihad's applicable. Don't forget the Christians there.

Maybe, but as you note, it would be a tough sell.

The big trouble is in Gaza that's true, I can't say I agree with your assertion this is Apartheid -a policy or system of segregation or discrimination on grounds of race. I think the reason for segregation is much more practical in that it's due to that group, Palestinians in this case, wanting you dead or completely off the land you both claim as ancestral homes, which is supported by both rhetoric and action.

The ones funding this look at this as holy war which is why they fund it. Palestinians are just the pawns, which is the most shameful things of all. The Palestinians are just the means for Qatar and Iran, along with rich Arab oil moguls in the Gulf, these men are also responsible for funding the torture and killings of Christians in multiple African countries as we speak.

Absolutely, very tough sell but the only way one of these groups isn't effectively liquidated or locked in perpetual conflict.

 

[KB5252]

Collapse the tunnels and save money on the graves.

I have no problem with this, as long as civilians aren't in those tunnels collapse them and suffocate Hamas......... But what comes next, that's the perpetual question in this conflict. How do you stop it?

 

[Smokey123]

Any Israeli casualties in 22 or 21? Remember this guy's viewpoint on the region before 10/7?

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Overall? About 3 dozen. 22’ was the highest number since 2008. He made his comments just months after an attack outside of a synagogue killing 7

 

[hog88]

I have no problem with this, as long as civilians aren't in those tunnels collapse them and suffocate Hamas......... But what comes next, that's the perpetual question in this conflict. How do you stop it?

Education and opportunity for the wee ones. It won't stop until the children can see a path other than being a poor uneducated tool for the terrorist leaders to use. Of course this will require Israel taking over and running Gaza because the Palestinians have proven themselves incapable.

 

[EasternVol]

The big trouble is in Gaza that's true,

Gaza and the West Bank and lower intensity violence in East Jerusalem. What's going on in the WB hasn't gotten a lot of coverage with all the carnage in Gaza. Syria would have said Golan Heights too until recently but their new stooge may be willing to sign away what Israel wants. Funny coincidence, that.

I can't say I agree with your assertion this is Apartheid -a policy or system of segregation or discrimination on grounds of race. I think the reason for segregation is much more practical in that it's due to that group, Palestinians in this case, wanting you dead or completely off the land you both claim as ancestral homes, which is supported by both rhetoric and action.

It's absolutely apartheid in the West Bank. Israeli settlers and Palestinians there live under two sets of laws, have separate facilities, etc. One group has it good while the other is absolutely oppressed.

The ones funding this look at this as holy war which is why they fund it. Palestinians are just the pawns, which is the most shameful things of all. The Palestinians are just the means for Qatar and Iran, along with rich Arab oil moguls in the Gulf

It's not holy war. For the Palestinians it's a land war. For the Qataris and Iranians it's a Great Game type exercise against the Israelis and their good and silent friends the Saudis. The Sunni - Shia rift lives on.

, these men are also responsible for funding the torture and killings of Christians in multiple African countries as we speak.

Who's funding that and where and which groups are involved?

Absolutely, very tough sell but the only way one of these groups isn't effectively liquidated or locked in perpetual conflict.

That may well be.

 

[McDad]

I don't think so, and unless all the several nations had a legitimate claim to the land they'd have had no right to give it to anyone.

A quick, incomplete bullet point of my understanding.
- Displaced jews post WW2 started an "Exodus" to the middle east.
- Those boats were sent back when caught.
- In 1948, Britain planned to exit the land and the UN states (57 in total) voted to grant Israel their homeland.
- Arab states (who were sympathetic to Nazis jewish policy) voted against.
- The vote carried.

United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[EasternVol]

A quick, incomplete bullet point of my understanding.
- Displaced jews post WW2 started an "Exodus" to the middle east.
- Those boats were sent back when caught.
- In 1948, Britain planned to exit the land and the UN states (57 in total) voted to grant Israel their homeland.
- Arab states (who were sympathetic to Nazis jewish policy) voted against.
- The vote carried.

United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Doesn't that say it was a recommendation that wasn't implemented?

 

[McDad]

Doesn't that say it was a recommendation that wasn't implemented?

I am not sure. I couldn't find the source I read a few months ago. It may have been a video come to think of it. I only scanned the wiki source.

With that said, I think it is accurate that Jews were relocated with the assistance of other countries after WW2.

 

[TheDirector]

If Gaza’s famine was real, how come it went away so fast?

 

[KB5252]

Gaza and the West Bank and lower intensity violence in East Jerusalem. What's going on in the WB hasn't gotten a lot of coverage with all the carnage in Gaza. Syria would have said Golan Heights too until recently but their new stooge may be willing to sign away what Israel wants. Funny coincidence, that.

It's absolutely apartheid in the West Bank. Israeli settlers and Palestinians there live under two sets of laws, have separate facilities, etc. One group has it good while the other is absolutely oppressed.

It's not holy war. For the Palestinians it's a land war. For the Qataris and Iranians it's a Great Game exercise against the Israelis and their good and silent friends the Saudis.

Who's funding that and where and which groups are involved?

That may well be.

I actually do agree Apartheid would likely apply in the West Bank.

Palestinians are the pawns, for the Qataris and Iranians, and other sponsors in the Gulf, this is about Islamic holy war against infidels.

Warlords in conflict nations across Africa in Sudan, Niger, Congo Ethiopia, and more, these are just the ones I've been reading about lately (past 6 months on and off).

Many warlords and even some government forces have praised their sponsors in Gulf Nations, it has been long suspected and in some cases confirmed wealthy Gulf State sponsors funding/backing the Islamic forces there. It's honestly a sad state of affairs.

It's part of the reason I've been so fired up about the UN lately. Famine in some of these places has killed as many, if not more than the Palestinians then focused on. Add in those killed in fighting, and civilian massacres with depraved forms of torture its criminal this hasn't garnered the attention and condemnation the conflict in Israel did. The only real explanation can come up with is the UN is a corrupt and feckless organization with no moral compass.

 

[n_huffhines]

 

[Vol8188]

It wasn’t a loaded question, you also never answered. You also didn’t seem to know the fact PIJ and Hamas worked together.

Oh public opinions matter on this conflict now? Guess Israel is the bad guy now according to you

I gave you an answer. Few rockets were fired. Are you telling me I’m wrong but refusing to back that up?

Everytime we have this conversation you get more retarded. The last time we had this discussion it ended with you pathetically accusing me of supporting Hamas. Your last two sentences are equally retarded.

 

[Vol8188]

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When all else fails Huff always has his antisemitism to fall back on.

Unless there’s another valid reason to intentionally compare men with Jewish names to Ms Rachel

 

[Smokey123]

I gave you an answer. Few rockets were fired. Are you telling me I’m wrong but refusing to back that up?

Everytime we have this conversation you get more retarded. The last time we had this discussion it ended with you pathetically accusing me of supporting Hamas. Your last two sentences are equally retarded.

Yes if your support of Israel turns into saying Hamas wasn’t always a terrorist group you should really re-evaluate yourself. Hope this helps

 

[Vol8188]

Yes if your support of Israel turns into saying Hamas wasn’t always a terrorist group you should really re-evaluate yourself. Hope this helps

If you can’t have a nuanced conversation with other adults, without acting like this, “you should really reevaluate yourself”.

Hope this helps!

 

[Smokey123]

If you can’t have a nuanced conversation with other adults, without acting like this, “you should really reevaluate yourself”.

Hope this helps!

You turn a dishonest straw man that hurls ad hominems instead of discussing. There’s nothing to converse

 

[Vol8188]

You turn a dishonest straw man that hurls ad hominems instead of discussing. There’s nothing to converse

This wasn’t dishonest? You honestly thought it makes Israel the bad guy if public opinion is against them?

Oh public opinions matter on this conflict now? Guess Israel is the bad guy now according to you

When you accuse me of Hamas support, that’s not ad hominem?

Once again…

If you can’t have a nuanced conversation with other adults, without acting like this, “you should really reevaluate yourself”.

Hope this helps!

 

[Smokey123]

This wasn’t dishonest? You honestly thought it makes Israel the bad guy if public opinion is against them?



When you accuse me of Hamas support, that’s not ad hominem?

Once again…

If public opinions matters like you said Israel would be the bad guy. Like I said who gives a crap about op-ed’s saying Hamas should be de-listed. Apparently you do for some odd reason

pointing out that you (on multiple occasions) said Hamas wasn’t always a terror org, Yasin wasn’t a bad guy, now saying Hamas was quiet prior to Oct 7th and bringing up how people wanted them de-listed isn’t an ad hominem. What a weird thing to say

 

[Vol8188]

If public opinions matters like you said Israel would be the bad guy. Like I said who gives a crap about op-ed’s saying Hamas should be de-listed. Apparently you do for some odd reason

“Matters” and “is reality” are not the same thing. Once again, an adult capable of nuance should understand that.

pointing out that you (on multiple occasions) said Hamas wasn’t always a terror org, Yasin wasn’t a bad guy, now saying Hamas was quiet prior to Oct 7th and bringing up how people wanted them de-listed isn’t an ad hominem. What a weird thing to say

Yawn…more ad hominem.

 

[Smokey123]

Go ahead. Provide your information on rockets from Hamas since you first asked the loaded question and now proclaim my answer is wrong.

The op-Eds obviously matter. Dismissing public opinion on the matter, is an absurd take. It’s not the only factor, but it obviously matters.

“Matters” and “is reality” are not the same thing. Once again, an adult capable of nuance should understand that.



Yawn…more ad hominem.

You’re right. You should understand the words you type

Ah yess stating words you said is ad hominem.

 

[Vol8188]

You’re right. You should understand the words you type

Ah yess stating words you said is ad hominem.

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You realize you just showed that I used the word appropriately?

Yes, public opinion “matters”. It’s not always the same as reality. But yes it matters.

Not sure what you think you just proved there, but I used the terms appropriately

 

[Smokey123]

Nearly every rocket fired in 2022 prior to October 7th was by PIJ. Not Hamas.

Every time we go down this road, you dishonestly attempt to claim I’m defending Hamas. Not even slightly. But I am telling that numerous people thought there was an actual tide shift (or were making that claim possibly because they support Hamas in general).

I think that’s a reality that’s important to accept and acknowledge.

 

[Vol8188]

@Smokey123

Once again, thank you for pointing out my appropriate use of terms. It’s a reality that people believed x, is a different statement than saying x is a reality.

If you need clarification, I gladly can:

It’s a reality that many people thought Hamas was genuinely changing.