How long will CJH’s tenure at Tennessee be?

[Rickyvol77]

Im guessing you dont know Fulmer was 5-0 against teams ranked #1 during his tenure plus 44-37 against ranked teams
You're read to many whiney team forums

What? this isn't true at all

 

[EastTNVol6240]

SOS. Bless your heart. More than once you've went on a critical rant using the phrase referring to his compensation as "championship prices". The dumpster fire characterization is referring to his starting point. Apparently you have absolutely zero understanding of reestablishing stability into a traditional, high level program. He's on the right track, certainly requiring constant improvement from him and his staff. You have an extremely immature and uninformed view of the process

“Reestablishing” while 5 years in and clearly in a year of regression and questionable coaching decisions every game we’ve lost. I’d suggest blocking me Bernard. You’re never gonna like what I have to say because you’re clearly living in the “dumpster fire” and happy as a pig in **** as long as we best that “dumpster fire” 3 win season.

And yes the fans are paying “championship prices”. The results don’t match, that’s for sure. I don’t care if we pay Heup 20 mil a year if he’s fielding the product to go with it. His payday in no way affects my life.

 

[EastTNVol6240]

And the product he has put on the field has yielded better win totals and post season success more so than any team we have had in the past 20+ years.

If the money doesn't matter then why even bring it up? Lets alone make the number artificially higher than it actually is?

The money doesn’t matter, the title sure does. And it’s not like I fabricated some ridiculous exponential lie. 10 is fairly close to 9. Most would call it 10%.

Ah yes the infamous last 20 years comparison. I get it. We’re much better off than we were. But that wasn’t TN football. It shouldn’t be the benchmark going forward.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

“Reestablishing” while 5 years in and clearly in a year of regression and questionable coaching decisions every game we’ve lost. I’d suggest blocking me Bernard. You’re never gonna like what I have to say because you’re clearly living in the “dumpster fire” and happy as a pig in **** as long as we best that “dumpster fire” 3 win season.

And yes the fans are paying “championship prices”. The results don’t match, that’s for sure. I don’t care if we pay Heup 20 mil a year if he’s fielding the product to go with it. His payday in no way affects my life.

As you view the situation with your narrow, binary lens, your characterization of me is way off base. Neither scenario is true. I'm neither living in the dumpster fire nor am I happy as a pig in shat. Like I said, you're both immature and uninformed and a perfect example of an entitled fan who is only appeased by instant gratification. No need to put you on ignore. I would ask you a question though, which coaching decisions cost us the Oklahoma game? Which coaching decisions cost us the Alabama game? Please be specific

 

[deatojl]

As you view the situation with your narrow, binary lens, your characterization of me is way off base. Neither scenario is true. I'm neither living in the dumpster fire nor am I happy as a pig in shat. Like I said, you're both immature and uninformed and a perfect example of an entitled fan who is only appeased by instant gratification. No need to put you on ignore. I would ask you a question though, which coaching decisions cost us the Oklahoma game? Which coaching decisions cost us the Alabama game? Please be specific

While we are at it, I would also be interested in examples of our clear regression as a program.

 

[volfan2024]

Today I feel as long as he wants to stay and feels appreciated by his effort.

 

[EastTNVol6240]

As you view the situation with your narrow, binary lens, your characterization of me is way off base. Neither scenario is true. I'm neither living in the dumpster fire nor am I happy as a pig in shat. Like I said, you're both immature and uninformed and a perfect example of an entitled fan who is only appeased by instant gratification. No need to put you on ignore. I would ask you a question though, which coaching decisions cost us the Oklahoma game? Which coaching decisions cost us the Alabama game? Please be specific

Not once have I said 1 coaching decision cost us a game directly. They have been factors and questionable though. We’ve already argued about this. We see it differently. It’s no question there has been some clock mgmt malpractice in multiple games. Many even pumpers have admitted that.

Georgia there was clock mgmt issues and then we iced our own kicker due to it. Multiple games we have gotten to conservative (in my eyes) especially after turnovers. IMO heup just hasn’t called the same kind of football this year and it has cost us. Yes I get it, different personnel affect that.

OU- just an entire shat show all together. I don’t like blaming players, but obviously a terrible game by JA. Hard for anyone to overcome a strip6 and two pics against a decent team. Here’s the problem, we’re gonna have those games, and coaching decisions can’t add fuel to the already burning fire.

We disagree on this one- but absolute bonehead call on 4th down in that game. Right call , wrong personnel. When it’s 4th and the season, and it was, you don’t throw to some freshmen no one that’s caught two balls on the year. You put the ball in a proven playmakers hand. If it’s Brazzell, bishop, Mathew’s, kits, etc that drops that ball, you don’t hear a word from me. That’s on the player. But when you ask some 18 yo kid with nearly 0 game experience to bail us out- don’t be surprised when they don’t come through- just stupid.

 

[EastTNVol6240]

While we are at it, I would also be interested in examples of our clear regression as a program.

Tell me which win/moment this year projects progression. That’s the easier question. We likely finish this season with 9/10 wins, which is great. But I suspect none of those wins are against a top 25 team. Possibly Vandy? Is that success?

So many people want to live in the “last 20 year dumpster fire” and make that the benchmark. That’s a piss poor attitude and expectation bar. That’s not TN. Maybe many here are much younger than me, and I don’t think I’m old. Tennessee is a rich program with tons of tradition and resources. It’s really not absurd to think that we should be occasionally competing for SEC titles and possibly even national titles from time to time.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Tell me which win/moment this year projects progression. That’s the easier question. We likely finish this season with 9/10 wins, which is great. But I suspect none of those wins are against a top 25 team. Possibly Vandy? Is that success?

So many people want to live in the “last 20 year dumpster fire” and make that the benchmark. That’s a piss poor attitude and expectation bar. That’s not TN. Maybe many here are much younger than me, and I don’t think I’m old. Tennessee is a rich program with tons of tradition and resources. It’s really not absurd to think that we should be occasionally competing for SEC titles and possibly even national titles from time to time.

A single win or moment can't define progression as a program. We're clearly progressing, but for the reasons I have mentioned, you can't seem to grasp it and have no real understanding of the process.

 

[deatojl]

Tell me which win/moment this year projects progression. That’s the easier question. We likely finish this season with 9/10 wins, which is great. But I suspect none of those wins are against a top 25 team. Possibly Vandy? Is that success?

So many people want to live in the “last 20 year dumpster fire” and make that the benchmark. That’s a piss poor attitude and expectation bar. That’s not TN. Maybe many here are much younger than me, and I don’t think I’m old. Tennessee is a rich program with tons of tradition and resources. It’s really not absurd to think that we should be occasionally competing for SEC titles and possibly even national titles from time to time.

I would say pulling out the win on the road at Mississippi State, given our recent road struggles and the way that game was playing out with multiple turnover in or near our own red zone showed program progression. Even in a loss, I would say outplaying Georgia for the entire game and putting ourselves in position for a game winning field goal that we unfortunately missed shows program progression.
If we can get the win in the swamp, we will have avoided having the road game that we inexplicably lose to an inferior team, which shows program progression.
Doing all these things while coming into the season replacing Dylan Sampson, nearly our entire OL, and several defensive playmakers, without our top two CBs all season and playing a ton of young, inexperienced players and a QB we got off the "trash heap" after spring practice was over all points to program progression as well.

 

[TJVol95]

Depends on how long he hangs on to the worthless assistants on staff.

 

[Hairy Vols]

The money doesn’t matter, the title sure does. And it’s not like I fabricated some ridiculous exponential lie. 10 is fairly close to 9. Most would call it 10%.

Ah yes the infamous last 20 years comparison. I get it. We’re much better off than we were. But that wasn’t TN football. It shouldn’t be the benchmark going forward.

Heupel's win percentage at Tennessee currently is .705. Can you read this next part for me and tell me which number is higher?



1 Million dollars sounds like a pretty big round up to me. But then again the Army doesn't pay me very much so maybe you've got it like I don't lol.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Heupel's win percentage at Tennessee currently is .705. Can you read this next part for me and tell me which number is higher?

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1 Million dollars sounds like a pretty big round up to me. But then again the Army doesn't pay me very much so maybe you've got it like I don't lol.

Even if you factor out the 2008-2020 time frame, it still doesn't equal 70.5%

 

[vols40]

That thinking is how we become another afterthought in NCAA football. You have to realize with the NIL and transfer portal college football is not the same and never will be again.
Gone are the days when a good coach and program could build a powerhouse in 3-4 years .
Every year is a crapshoot.
Your roster has a huge turnover and the odds are even great coaches are going to miss on a transfer or key injuries will ruin your season due to lack of depth due to transfers. Remember if a talented kid doesnt think hes being used to his satifaction...hes gone. No depth .
We had a mediocre year, we lost some key players in the tranfer and even more to injuries..it happens.
Hell...Bama didnt make the pkayoffs last year.

Perhaps you realize that is a troll your responded to who only joined the site in May.

 

[#1fulmerite]

I sure miss the years between’89 and ‘98. Of course the ‘94 season was the exception because our starting QB went down but we finished strong. That was the epitome of Tennessee football for me. Three SEC championships and one NC.

 

[EastTNVol6240]

Heupel's win percentage at Tennessee currently is .705. Can you read this next part for me and tell me which number is higher?

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1 Million dollars sounds like a pretty big round up to me. But then again the Army doesn't pay me very much so maybe you've got it like I don't lol.

Cherry picking numbers at this point. That includes some great years, some bad years. My point being our comparison shouldn’t be the dumpster years. A million to the average person? Yes, a whole lotta money. A million to someone making 9 a year and guaranteed whatever he’s guaranteed, not so much.

 

[EastTNVol6240]

I would say pulling out the win on the road at Mississippi State, given our recent road struggles and the way that game was playing out with multiple turnover in or near our own red zone showed program progression. Even in a loss, I would say outplaying Georgia for the entire game and putting ourselves in position for a game winning field goal that we unfortunately missed shows program progression.
If we can get the win in the swamp, we will have avoided having the road game that we inexplicably lose to an inferior team, which shows program progression.
Doing all these things while coming into the season replacing Dylan Sampson, nearly our entire OL, and several defensive playmakers, without our top two CBs all season and playing a ton of young, inexperienced players and a QB we got off the "trash heap" after spring practice was over all points to program progression as well.

The 1-5 conference and 5-5 overall MS? Like I said we need to get out of the mindset of “as long as we’re not a dumpster fire”. Shall our next best win be against Arkansas at 2-7?

 

[EastTNVol6240]

A single win or moment can't define progression as a program. We're clearly progressing, but for the reasons I have mentioned, you can't seem to grasp it and have no real understanding of the process.

So there weren’t any moments this year is what you’re telling me? I’d agree Bernard, I’d agree.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

So there weren’t any moments this year is what you’re telling me? I’d agree Bernard, I’d agree.

No, not all. Recruiting has improved quite nicely. WR room shows development. I would say the Georgia game is indicative of progression. Still lots of things to work on, but the aforementioned items are a sign of progress

 

[Hairy Vols]

Cherry picking numbers at this point. That includes some great years, some bad years. My point being our comparison shouldn’t be the dumpster years. A million to the average person? Yes, a whole lotta money. A million to someone making 9 a year and guaranteed whatever he’s guaranteed, not so much.

Cherry picking? Brother I used the Vols ALL TIME winning percentage versus Heupel's winning percentage here. I used ALL the numbers. I didn't cherry pick anything. I literally brought you the whole tree and garden.

The historic Vols program winning percentage is LOWER than Heupel's time here. You understand that correct?

And you added an extra 10% to his salary. That is significant for anybody.

 

[deatojl]

The 1-5 conference and 5-5 overall MS? Like I said we need to get out of the mindset of “as long as we’re not a dumpster fire”. Shall our next best win be against Arkansas at 2-7?

That has nothing to do with your "as long as we're not a dumpster fire" narrative. In prior years, we lose that game. If you can't see that as progress, I really don't know what to tell you. I'm sure teams like Texas and Florida were happy to escape their games with Mississippi State. Arizona State, who is currently tied with Utah in the Big 12 standing and is likely to finish 9-3, wasn't so fortunate. Yes, they are 1-5 in conference and 5-5 overall. Have you seen their schedule? They have played Tennessee, @Texas A&M, Texas, Georgia, @Florida and @Arkansas in addition to Arizona State in the non conference. They blew a 17 point 4th quarter lead against Texas, a 7 point lead against us, and threw an interception while already in position for a game winning field goal in the swamp. Exactly how many of those games should they have won in order for you to not think they are a terrible team? They are a handful of plays away from being 8-2 and challenging for a playoff spot. As for our best wins, why don't we see how the last three games play out first before making that declaration?

 

[EastTNVol6240]

That has nothing to do with your "as long as we're not a dumpster fire" narrative. In prior years, we lose that game. If you can't see that as progress, I really don't know what to tell you. I'm sure teams like Texas and Florida were happy to escape their games with Mississippi State. Arizona State, who is currently tied with Utah in the Big 12 standing and is likely to finish 9-3, wasn't so fortunate. Yes, they are 1-5 in conference and 5-5 overall. Have you seen their schedule? They have played Tennessee, @Texas A&M, Texas, Georgia, @Florida and @Arkansas in addition to Arizona State in the non conference. They blew a 17 point 4th quarter lead against Texas, a 7 point lead against us, and threw an interception while already in position for a game winning field goal in the swamp. Exactly how many of those games should they have won in order for you to not think they are a terrible team? They are a handful of plays away from being 8-2 and challenging for a playoff spot. As for our best wins, why don't we see how the last three games play out first before making that declaration?

Any fan can play the what if game yearly. We’re a few plays away from a couple more wins. We’re also a few plays away from a couple more losses. At the end of the year people remember the record, not the “what could’ve been”. You win or you don’t.

 

[deatojl]

Any fan can play the what if game yearly. We’re a few plays away from a couple more wins. We’re also a few plays away from a couple more losses. At the end of the year people remember the record, not the “what could’ve been”. You win or you don’t.

That is correct. However, not every 5-5 team is created equally. Just because Mississippi State is a .500 team doesn't mean they are garbage. Do you apply the same "you win or you don't" philosophy before trashing the Vols for close wins against Mississippi State and Arkansas? After all, at the end of the year people only remember wins, right?

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Any fan can play the what if game yearly. We’re a few plays away from a couple more wins. We’re also a few plays away from a couple more losses. At the end of the year people remember the record, not the “what could’ve been”. You win or you don’t.

Bless your heart

It's not that you can't see the forest because of the trees. You can't even see the trees because of the shrubs in your view

 

[EastTNVol6240]

Bless your heart

It's not that you can't see the forest because of the trees. You can't even see the trees because of the shrubs in your view

Ahh I see now. You’re one of those. The “moral victory” warrior. But, but we were only two plays away and 7 games away from the natty. Keep dreaming buddy. Nothing wrong with it.

Unfortunately for you, no one gives a rats ass what could’ve been in life. You do or you don’t. It’s that simple. That’s not just in football. It really is that simple. Bless your dreaming heart Bernard. We don’t do participation trophies at my house. Hope you learned something here.