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[KB5252]

The conservative propaganda battle against public education started about 40 years ago.
There are many right-wingers who do all they can to portray public education in the most negative way possible.

The weak minded and gullible fall for it.

I'll take your word about what went on in 40 years ago, but I've noticed a change over the years in education.

I've seen an overall degradation of education but I can't and won't attribute all that to teachers and the beurocrats behind them, in many cases the parents are to blame. Teachers aren't the problem, or I should say most aren't. Beurocrats shoulder much more of the blame, the states as well.

Propoganda is often used to combat propoganda. People often believe the side they identify with to be true, right and altruistic. They often don't see it for what it is. But that applies to both the left and the right. But I know you won't see it that way because you're bought in to one side of the equation.

 

[LouderVol]

All that's much more Social Democracy than Socialism.

socialism itself promotes equality as the stated goal vs proffitt or higher standard of living. its the whole justification for stealing from some so that all will have the same.

the differences between a social democracy vs socialism vs communism is how they would go about achieving that equality. but the goal is the same.

 

[LouderVol]

That's not socialism, that's elements of communism. When the Brits were socialist was all that done?

communism gets rid of the concept of private property all together. not just on the means of production. that's nowhere close to what I described. or at least that is on the far side from the "socialist" term I used.

 

[LouderVol]

Of course it pulls votes from both sides.

Again.....water is wet.

And it's a pretty good reason to not nominate a candidate that is so disagreeable to the other side that a large percentage of votes is simply against your candidate rather than for another candidate.

I did not support Hillary in the primary for that very reason (even though she was the best candidate by most all other metrics)

wow you are naive. the two parties just pass power back and forth. even with that split they enjoy far more power and control than they would ever have with a large third, or more, party.

they are both participating in having terrible candidates because they know people will vote for their terrible candidate regardless of how bad they are. which is what you do.

the only fix is stop voting for them all together until they put someone out there you actually want.

 

[BreatheUT]

Looks like the free buses already got squashed. I’m sure there will be a lot more empty promises causing some heartache.

Socialism always start with utopian promises if you just hand over the decision making to the government to help.

 

[BreatheUT]

Or like ICE?

Oh that's a great example. You proud?

 

[luthervol]

This seems contrary to your posts, where it appears you saying or implying they are effective.


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Your Hopes For The Next POTUS Joe Biden

So, not only am I still looking for the lie, but it appears to be confirmation of what I wrote. You appear to either believe the masks will stop a cold or you did believe the masks would stop a cold.


You are trying explain to me how I lied but it appears from your posts that is exactly what you believed.

Again you seem to miss the context.
"They're wearing masks.".................this comment was a joke......go back and read the context.


"That's why they should be staying 6 feet a part and/or wearing masks."
This was in response to the COVID test debate. Context.

 

[luthervol]

I'll take your word about what went on in 40 years ago, but I've noticed a change over the years in education.

I've seen an overall degradation of education but I can't and won't attribute all that to teachers and the beurocrats behind them, in many cases the parents are to blame. Teachers aren't the problem, or I should say most aren't. Beurocrats shoulder much more of the blame, the states as well.

Propoganda is often used to combat propoganda. People often believe the side they identify with to be true, right and altruistic. They often don't see it for what it is. But that applies to both the left and the right. But I know you won't see it that way because you're bought in to one side of the equation.

Good post except for that last sentence.
The left has a vested interest in public education succeeding.
The right evidently has a vested interest in public education failing.
I know which I prefer.

 

[luthervol]

wow you are naive. the two parties just pass power back and forth. even with that split they enjoy far more power and control than they would ever have with a large third, or more, party.

they are both participating in having terrible candidates because they know people will vote for their terrible candidate regardless of how bad they are. which is what you do.

the only fix is stop voting for them all together until they put someone out there you actually want.

We've circled back around to the same point....once again.

My approach fixes the problem.....or at least improves it and corrects the course.

And I'm all for a 3rd (and 4th) party. Bring it on. I've been waiting for decades.

 

[BreatheUT]

Good post except for that last sentence.
The left has a vested interest in public education succeeding.
The right evidently has a vested interest in public education failing.
I know which I prefer.

Then there are the facts. Public education has been failing. The reading levels are abysmal. The resources are scarce or mismanaged. The morons in charge would rather indoctrinate than educate. We see the society it has created.

 

[jp1]

Then there are the facts. Public education has been failing. The reading levels are abysmal. The resources are scarce or mismanaged. The morons in charge would rather indoctrinate than educate. We see the society it has created.

I dont blame the society it has created on public schools.

 

[Majors]

There were plenty of close minded bigoted idiots who hated Irish and Polish immigrants.....they even talked of how they would destroy "American" culture.

Turns out, we just absorbed their culture and it made ours even richer......imagine that......if you can

Luther is ready to bring stoning and suicide bombers to the states. Not sure how that’ll make us better, but let’s ride.

 

[Majors]

The left has a vested interest in public education succeeding.

What was that part you said earlier about gullible. You’re gullible. We live in a world where the left has deemed test scores racist to cover the failing numbers.

 

[BreatheUT]

I dont blame the society it has created on public schools.

Wait, say that again? Maybe you want to reframe that.

Society is downstream from education during impressionable years. The left knew this early and sought to influence that in the classroom. For some, maturity and experience overcome this while many get stuck believing what they were told and taught.

 

[KB5252]

Good post except for that last sentence.
The left has a vested interest in public education succeeding.
The right evidently has a vested interest in public education failing.
I know which I prefer.

That's because you've accepted propoganda as reality.

I know it's been debated for decades, that socialist policy was introduced into curriculum, not that socialist policy is the boogeyman or something but it's been evident for some time. And in regard to the continuums you're so fond of there is a sweet spot. in the way that pure capitalism and fascism is bad so is socialism and communism. There is a sweet spot that we've gone past in our current authoritarian administration, and our current education policy has driven too far to the socialist.

We teach our children in the broad sense so as to achieve equal results when all children do not have similar aptitude. We attempt to put all children on equal footing and that isn't possible, it'd be much more beneficial to the children and society to teach them to the best of their aptitudes. Not all kids need to go to college, it's much better that we start educating them in high school for what comes next. Be that university or trade schools etc. standardized curriculum has it's place, but I think we do a disservice to high school kids in trying to ensure students meet the minimum requirements for college when many, if not most, should not attend..... And that's the current stated goal.

All students should have a year dedicated to civics, economics with a heavy emphasis on personal finances etc.

 

[Good Ol' Charlie Brown]

That's because you've accepted propoganda as reality.

I know it's been debated for decades, that socialist policy was introduced into curriculum, not that socialist policy is the boogeyman or something but it's been evident for some time. And in regard to the continuums you're so fond of there is a sweet spot. in the way that pure capitalism and fascism is bad so is socialism and communism. There is a sweet spot that we've gone past in our current authoritarian administration, and our current education policy has driven too far to the socialist.

We teach our children in the broad sense so as to achieve equal results when all children do not have similar aptitude. We attempt to put all children on equal footing and that isn't possible, it'd be much more beneficial to the children and society to teach them to the best of their aptitudes. Not all kids need to go to college, it's much better that we start educating them in high school for what comes next. Be that university or trade schools etc. standardized curriculum has it's place, but I think we do a disservice to high school kids in trying to ensure students meet the minimum requirements for college when many, if not most, should not attend..... And that's the current stated goal.

All students should have a year dedicated to civics, economics with a heavy emphasis on personal finances etc.

Yeah where I teach we have those. I teach politics class, which is also a requirement.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Again you seem to miss the context.
"They're wearing masks.".................this comment was a joke......go back and read the context.


"That's why they should be staying 6 feet a part and/or wearing masks."
This was in response to the COVID test debate. Context.

It clearly wasn't a joke on your part as you were trying to convince him it wasn't a superspreader event and the second one was in response to the debate, but its still in context as you thought the mask and staying 6 feet a part would work. You thought the mask was going to stop you from getting cold, and you clearly know it sounds like a loony which is why you go to great lengths to be deceptive in your responses.

So, all the doctors, teachers, schools, experts, etc. that thought the mask would stop a cold were wrong?

(Look another Mr. Chicken joke)

Instead of saying this on Feb. 10th:
“Looks like by April, you know, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away. I hope that’s true. But we’re doing great in our country. China, I spoke with President Xi, and they’re working very, very hard. And I think it’s going to all work out fine.”

— Trump, at a campaign rally in Manchester, N.H.

He should have said this:
"There are a lot of unknowns. This has the potential of being a very serious problem. Until we know more, it would be wise to take all reasonable precautions such as wearing masks, socially distancing, avoiding larger gatherings, etc.."

Sec fans are dumb per ESPN

 

[EasternVol]

That's a weak one liner. Did you work on that for weeks?

One liner? I'm serious. Look how it's warped your world view.

Your words should be a case study on ignorance. However though studied, I believe time has proven it will be pointless in resolving your internal conflict with facts.

That's something considering there's no internal conflict and I'm in line with the facts.

The Declaration of Independence was heavily influenced by christian beliefs, some old european ideas building civilized societies and the Enlightment period relying on principles like philosoper John Locke for real classic liberalism - not the way the term has been bastardized by leftists ttoday.

There's truth there but it doesn't help your argument that we shouldn't have freedom of choice regarding economic policies. Yes the founders were well versed in Christian beliefs but then again Christianity and laissez faire capitalism aren't so compatible.
Leftists had some success in early 20th century America. If they were thought of then as opposed to our founding principles then they wouldn't have gotten that support.

 

[LouderVol]

Good post except for that last sentence.
The left has a vested interest in public education succeeding.
The right evidently has a vested interest in public education failing.
I know which I prefer.

I think most of us here are going to disagree with what you consider "succeeding".

 

[Good Ol' Charlie Brown]

I think most of us here are going to disagree with what you consider "succeeding".

Weird we suck at math most, and reading the best.
We've been getting dumber forever, and TikTok (social media as a whole) isn't helping in the slightest.
We've gotten so smart we're dumb.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Interesting take - I am sure that those who make their living via entertainment be it Broadway or concerts desire to keep that part of capitalism alive. It is why when those that have money speak of the greatness of socialism, I roll my eyes because I can guarantee they are not talking about giving up the part of capitalism that made them their fortune.

As for the tickets, I was shocked at the prices. This would be my first time as some younger family members want to see the Harry Potter show.

The whole secret sauce of socialism that no one talks about and that ultimately dooms it every time is the inability of it‘s proponents to realize that just as they envy the people richer than they and demand that they share, there are ALWAYS people poorer than they are who in turn view THEM as rich and want that they have.
The person with envy can’t comprehend that they are the object of envy themselves.
Combined with the fact that socialism appears to absolve its acolytes of any responsibility for their own condition (their failure is always someone else‘s fault); this makes Socialism an economic and social paradigm that can never deliver what it promises.

 

[Good Ol' Charlie Brown]

The whole secret sauce of socialism that no one talks about and that ultimately dooms it every time is the inability of it‘s proponents to realize that just as they envy the people richer than they and demand that they share, there are ALWAYS people poorer than they are who in turn view THEM as rich and want that they have.
The person with envy can’t comprehend that they are the object of envy themselves.
Combined with the fact that socialism appears to absolve its acolytes of any responsibility for their own condition (their failure is always someone else‘s fault); this makes Socialism an economic and social paradigm that can never deliver what it promises.

Also, for socialism and communism, the only wealthy people are the elite in government.

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[LSU-SIU]

Also, for socialism and communism, the only wealthy people are the elite in government.

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They're the top capitalist, they use social and communism concepts generally more so over the whole population to achieve their goal - become the greatest capitalist.

 

[EasternVol]

communism gets rid of the concept of private property all together. not just on the means of production.

yes I'd mentioned that.

that's nowhere close to what I described. or at least that is on the far side from the "socialist" term I used.

Did the socialist actions you described earlier happen in the UK when it was socialist? I don't recall any of it coming up in conversation with my old British colleagues.

 

[EasternVol]

Luther is ready to bring stoning and suicide bombers to the states. Not sure how that’ll make us better, but let’s ride.

So far you're the only one to say you're good with it.