How long will CJH’s tenure at Tennessee be?

How long will CJH be at Tennessee?

  • Less than five years

    Votes: 58 12.1%

  • More than five but less than ten years

    Votes: 215 45.0%

  • More than ten years

    Votes: 205 42.9%
  • Total voters
    478
  • Poll closed .
#76
#76
#1fulmerite said:
With all of the threads somehow related to CJH tenure here and posts in threads either leaning towards him being “run off by fan base” or another program picking him up, how long do you think he stays at Tennessee?

I, for one, originally thought he was a place holder until a better coach came along. It seems his coaching record topped out fast in year two. Although we made the playoffs last year, with the SEC going to nine games, it may be a while before we see as soft of a schedule we had last year.

Saying that, if we continuously win only 8/9 games a season, Volnation will look at Georgia and Ritch and, demand a change.
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If we continuously win only 8/9 games a season, you may want to shoot lower than a UGA/Richt comparison.

16 of Dooleys 24 seasons were 9 wins or less. Granted, those were majority 12 game seasons if you went bowling. 11 game regular seasons appeared around early 70's. 12 game regular seasons possibly 2002. so to be fair, a Dooley 8 win season would be comparable to a 9 win regualr season today, making your 8/9 win benchmark a 7/8 season for Dooley. But, that only improves Dooley to 14 seasons at 8 or less wins in 24 seasons. How he managed a .715 win mark is beyond me.

Richt on the other hand, only had 5 seasons out his 14 with less than 10 wins. Being #2 all-time win% at UGA, he was pretty darn good. If CJH only ever achieves Richt level status and remains here for a minute or two, he will end up 2nd to only Neyland soon enough. The great PF years everyones pines for...just how great were they consistently. Fulmer is second only to Neyland at .743 win%. What does that equate to? 151 wins in 17 years = 8.8 wins per season average. We don't have to leave our own house if you want to equate CJH to someone that averaged less than 8/9 wins a season. (Richt's average was 9.67 wins per season).

CJH in 4 completed seasons has wins of 7, 11, 9, 10 with 2 seasons of restricted scholly's and one CFP appearance. And if he wins out, and wins a bowl game can post 10 wins again in 2025. And final rankings thus far of 6, 17, 9. Statiscally, he ain't doing bad. He don't got the Kirby thing going, but he's better than PF after only 4-2/3 seasons and just behind Richt on average wins per season. I'd say most of us are of our own making in our melt downs. The FF ain't all that much different than the PF. Facts don't mean much.
 
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#77
#77
Volfan8282 said:
I’m guessing UGA fans would say that was way too many seasons. I loved Richt being there… one of the few coaches at a big time program that Fulmer could actually beat here and there.
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Richt is second only to Kirby at UGA all-time. The only thing Richt did not have was a natty. While Kirby has ramped it up a notch, any UGA fan truly unhappy with Richt has to be cousins to some our our VN fans. Kirby has about 5 more seasons to have a true total games comparison between the two, so if UGA sprinkles in a few sub-par seasons in today's landscape, won't be much separating them but a couple natty's.

Fulmer had 7 seasons of 15 or 16 (?) with 9 or less wins. Almost half. And we consider that the golden age of Vol ball outside Neyland. Only reason he got a pass was the one Natty and two SEC. Considering his recruiting prowess and rosters, he was the poster child for under-achieving.

As for Natty's Kirby didn't get his first until season 6 and went back to back.
 
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#78
Volfan8282 said:
Meh, that cuts both ways, especially early in the season when teams may not be ranked properly.
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True. Shows how irrelevant rankings should be taken which means the record versus ranked teams means very little. Should not be a factor in assessing a staff.
 
#79
#79
#1fulmerite said:
With all of the threads somehow related to CJH tenure here and posts in threads either leaning towards him being “run off by fan base” or another program picking him up, how long do you think he stays at Tennessee?

I, for one, originally thought he was a place holder until a better coach came along. It seems his coaching record topped out fast in year two. Although we made the playoffs last year, with the SEC going to nine games, it may be a while before we see as soft of a schedule we had last year.

Saying that, if we continuously win only 8/9 games a season, Volnation will look at Georgia and Ritch and, demand a change.
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As long as he wants.

The thing that would make Heupel leave is if Danny White left.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
I would tend to agree but some might get a better fit.
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Might. Might not. Either way a better fit Might get them 9-10 wins every year and no playoffs.

But hey, they wont be paying him millions to lose 3 games every year and miss the playoffs....well, they will but they'll also be paying another one to do the same. Lol.
 
#85
#85
Behr said:
Might. Might not. Either way a better fit Might get them 9-10 wins every year and no playoffs.

But hey, they wont be paying him millions to lose 3 games every year and miss the playoffs....well, they will but they'll also be paying another one to do the same. Lol.
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Might find a better fit for less than some name requiring more
 
#86
#86
Behr said:
Lol. SSDY.

1. The "negas" start their crap.
2. The "pumpers" respond.
3. The "realists" start threads straightening everyone out.
4. Repeat
5. The "sane" are entertained by it all.
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Very few actual pumpers. Responding to a nega doesn't make one a pumper. It's far more nuanced
 
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#87
BernardKingGOAT said:
Might find a better fit for less than some name requiring more
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Brilliant.

I never understood the money side of the discussion. Its weird that "we" would be okay with 9 win seasons as long as the HC isnt getting paid too much. Whatever that magical number is.

The solution is to hire me. Id probably only get us 1-3 wins....maybe, but Id do it for $100,000 a year.
 
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Behr said:
Brilliant.

I never understood the money side of the discussion. Its weird that "we" would be okay with 9 win seasons as long as the HC isnt getting paid too much. Whatever that magical number is.

The solution is to hire me. Id probably only get us 1-3 wins....maybe, but Id do it for $100,000 a year.
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I am saying a better fit, up and comer, might do better than hiring a name for big bigger bucks. Your interpretation was way off
 
#91
#91
BernardKingGOAT said:
I am saying a better fit, up and comer, might do better than hiring a name for big bigger bucks. Your interpretation was way off
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We did that with Heupel.

Who here wants to fire Heupel and hire someone other than a "proven" coach? I don't see anyone saying that.

I don't think my interpretation is as off as you think it is. Now that I mentioned it start looking for it and you'll see it.
 
#92
#92
BernardKingGOAT said:
There are none. It's more nuanced than your simplistic interpretation of it. I haven't seen anyone say Heupel is beyond criticism. I have seen many say they know Heupel isn't going to win a championship
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This sounds dumb.

Edit: not you just what you typed.
 
#93
#93
ColtMathis98 said:
9 wins is most likely a playoff spot going forward with the 9 conference games and especially with expansion looming again
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True, but a 9-3 season also means you aren’t winning the SEC and are relegated to a #9-#12 seed if you make the playoffs, and a long shot to win the national title.

An average of 9 wins a year means that you’ll likely be 7-5 some years and 11-1 in others. I don’t expect 11-1 each year but given our resources I think it’s very reasonable to expect 8 or 9 wins to be a down year as opposed to the average.
 
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#94
Behr said:
We did that with Heupel.

Who here wants to fire Heupel and hire someone other than a "proven" coach? I don't see anyone saying that.

I don't think my interpretation is as off as you think it is. Now that I mentioned it start looking for it and you'll see it.
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I thought we talking about the current openings. Who is a "proven" coach that would actually leave one school for another? I will tell you. No one
 
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#97
BernardKingGOAT said:
Maybe an ear cleansing is needed. Nothing dumb about facts
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What are the facts?

"I haven't seen anyone say Heupel is beyond criticism."

No one says that he is except the self proclaimed "realists" accuse "pumpers" of it all the time. Is that not dumb?

"I have seen many say they know Heupel isn't going to win a championship. Is that not dumb?
 
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VolCalls said:
True, but a 9-3 season also means you aren’t winning the SEC and are relegated to a #9-#12 seed if you make the playoffs, and a long shot to win the national title.

An average of 9 wins a year means that you’ll likely be 7-5 some years and 11-1 in others. I don’t expect 11-1 each year but given our resources I think it’s very reasonable to expect 8 or 9 wins to be a down year as opposed to the average.
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Couldn't agree more
 
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#99
If we turn things around, make some changes within the staff, and improve next year, then he could be here for at least another four or five years. If we regress and are mediocre (6-6, 7-5), or worse next year, expect the pitchforks to come out. If we regress really bad, I could see us making a change at the end of next season. Not saying we should, but I see it happening as a lot of the fanbase will be loudly calling for his head and in the ears of boosters who will force Danny White to make a change.
 
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