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MoCo_Vol said:
To win 9 games a year out of 12 is 75%, to win 10 games a year it's 83.3%.

So I agree 74% for 8 years isn't really enough...much rather see 9 wins being the floor and more 10+ win seasons. We know it's possible and with Heupel now establishing his culture and rebuilding the brand if recruiting stays top 10 consistently then results should improve as well over the next 8 years.
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An SEC coach with a 9 win floor is a top 5 coach in CFB. Elite.
 
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knoxvol52 said:
As for the Portal only two reasons to poach from it.

1. To cover up where your previous recruiting wasn't very good.
2. Lack of development of the players recruited..
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That's not the way the best teams utilize it, you should always be send scouting and looking to upgrade. JMO, but many of the consistently good teams are doing it this way
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
I'll be honest...I'm kind of tired of the word "elite" being used...it's vague and subjective. I don't give a **** if the roster is 2 and 3 stars or full of 4 and 5 stars, end of the day all that matters is winning double digit games. Half the yahoos that rate/rank HS talent get it wrong anyway and if we're gauging it by the amount of players heading to the NFL isn't that mostly based on college production and exposure any damn way?

Byron Young is a physical beast...what was his HS rating? Not a single damn person thought he was elite until AFTER he developed under RG for 2 years.
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People get too wrapped up in the star ratings of individual players and don't pay enough attention to a team's class as a whole. There are all sorts individual players who won't pan out according to their star ratings all the time, both good and bad.

The reality though is that basically 100% of the teams who win national titles, and the vast majority of the teams who are regularly competing for titles, have rosters that are littered with 4 and 5-star recruits. Not all of those players are going to live up to their rating, but that isn't the point. The more of those recruits you have, the more you are maximizing your chances of having some of them live up to the ranking.

Over the last 10 or 15 years, is there a program who has regularly competed for titles with recruiting classes consistently outside the top 10? The only one that comes to mind is Clemson, although Dabo has had multiple classes inside the top 10. Just not as many as programs like Alabama, UGA, Ohio St, etc. There are absolutely no programs that have had an average class of say, 15th or 20th, over the last 10-15 years and have been consistently nationally relevant.
 
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kong said:
An SEC coach with a 9 win floor is a top 5 coach in CFB. Elite.
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Is it? Last year after bowl games there were 8 SEC coaches that won 9 games...before bowl games it was 7 (LSU being the 8-4 that won their 9th in bowl game)

2023 it was 5 in regular season
2021 & 2022 it was 4 in regular season

So really 9 win floor would consistently put us as a top 6 SEC team...I'd be pretty damn happy with that.
 
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MarcoVol said:
What has Ole Miss done to be elite? What has IU done? What has Oregon done? What has A&M done?

Are you saying they’re elite *this* year? Bc that would mean Vols were elite last year. Made the playoffs. Same as some of those teams you mentioned, including Oregon who also got obliterated by OSU after Vols did.

So for the convo, what’s your criteria for elite?
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It is more of a this year thing. Those teams are steam rolling their opponents and look like playoff locks imo. Ole Miss’s offense is elite, defense is definitely meh, oregon front to back has an elite roster. Indiana beat oregon @ oregon and beat Illinois into submission, a&m is a sound football team that I think it’ll be between them and bama in the seccg
 
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dmwvol12 said:
Yep. The new method of negativity is to say I’m not saying we should fire Heupel, BUT….. Followed by 30 questions with a clear agenda to minimize everything he’s done and to question his ability. It’s passive aggressive behavior with a clear agenda to sow doubt and question his ability. It’s frustrating but pretty clear it won’t change. This forum like’s too make fun of the football forum but is getting closer by the day. Look who’s no longer here and what has filled the void? We do still have some reasonable fans but it’s getting harder to ignore all the nonsense. Thank goodness Freak has the ignore feature.
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I was talking to this fella who was irrationally pissed off and he was done. After listening to him, what he was really pissed about was that people at work were giving him the business. I said that is going to happen, its part of pulling for a team. I figured out that his self-worth was wrapped up in whether Tennessee won or lost.
I told him, "It's a game. Tennessee is like my wife, she makes me mad sometimes and sometimes causes to publicly embarrass myself but I still love her."
 
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KB5252 said:
That's not the way the best teams utilize it, you should always be send scouting and looking to upgrade. JMO, but many of the consistently good teams are doing it this way
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Who are those teams? I don’t always pay attention to who goes heavy in portal
 
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rikberry31 said:
I hear ya, it seems as if the FF has invaded the RF. And as far as Heup goes, he has been in coach long enough to develop thick skin and learned to ignore morons who don't know their buthole from a beehive.
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He deserves better from us...but he ain't going to get it. All the idiots see is failure, I see something else very clearly, and I will never understand how willingly stupid you have to be to not see it...he could EASILY be undefeated right now if just 6-8 plays OVER THE COURSE OF THE SEASON had went our way...with a badly flawed team with glaring roster issues..

Has everybody forgotten what it felt like to get obliterated by almost every decent team we played for nearly 15 years?...what a truly bad coaching job looks like?....HOW CAN THEY FORGET?

I can't wait until Cignettis run of insane luck runs out....and it will. If that guy was the GOAT that he is suddenly getting fluffed as by all the snow blind...he would have been a great HC a LONG LONG time ago instead of showing up as a 64 year old.
 
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JCVol00 said:
It is more of a this year thing. Those teams are steam rolling their opponents and look like playoff locks imo. Ole Miss’s offense is elite, defense is definitely meh, oregon front to back has an elite roster. Indiana beat oregon @ oregon and beat Illinois into submission, a&m is a sound football team that I think it’ll be between them and bama in the seccg
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At least a couple of these teams will lose their first round game in CFP. Same as Vols last season.

By those metrics, were Vols elite last year? And wouldn’t that already mean that Heup has cleared the step from great to elite?

This is a fun convo to talk about bc it is so subjective.

Agree on how those squads look so far this year.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Is it? Last year after bowl games there were 8 SEC coaches that won 9 games...before bowl games it was 7 (LSU being the 8-4 that won their 9th in bowl game)

2023 it was 5 in regular season
2021 & 2022 it was 4 in regular season

So really 9 win floor would consistently put us as a top 6 SEC team...I'd be pretty damn happy with that.
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The only teams with a 9 win floor since 2021 are Bama and UGA. Elite.

and that's with an 8 game sec slate.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
To win 9 games a year out of 12 is 75%, to win 10 games a year it's 83.3%.

So I agree 74% for 8 years isn't really enough...much rather see 9 wins being the floor and more 10+ win seasons. We know it's possible and with Heupel now establishing his culture and rebuilding the brand if recruiting stays top 10 consistently then results should improve as well over the next 8 years.
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Any SEC coach with a floor of 9-3 with that 9 game league schedule coming up is gonna be a rockstar
 
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rikberry31 said:
That is every season of every team ever. A few plays make or break a season. Were you around in 1998? People romanticize it now but we should have lost to Syracuse, we should have lost to Florida, and it was a miracle that we beat Arkansas. Any one of those would have derailed us and it would have been the same as right now.
Winning the ring is freaking hard and you have to have some breaks go your way or divine intervention.
As the poet said, Let me tell ya folks it's harder than it looks , It's a long way to the top if you wanna rock n roll.
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Volnation would have melting in 98. People would have said that Fulmer would never win here, because he couldn't win with Manning. Tee Martin would have been benched by Volnation every game until South Carolina.
 
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