Recruiting Forum Football Talk IX

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McDad said:
Here's what I have.



Who else would you guys expect to see portal?

any ideas on portal additions or important areas of need?

how many can we add to get us to the 105 limit?
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Who the hell let you in here? What forum am I in???

I think Boo & Merck are probably good as gone.

We need to load up on DBs in the portal, and continue to spend across the O/D Lines.
 
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MarcoVol said:
Don’t know who they’ll be but I’d expect some guys to leave we aren’t thinking about leaving. Happens to every team.

Guys will ask for raises and they’ll be some that the staff doesn’t feel they want to pay that amount. Especially if Vols go a little more aggressive in portal. Tough to pay a guy from the portal more than what you’re paying guys in the room already. So if you do that then you likely need to give everyone else in the room a raise as well.
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One of our currently rostered DBs will likely attempt to extort us for a kings ransom.
 
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85SugarVol said:
One of our currently rostered DBs will likely attempt to extort us for a kings ransom.
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The only ones that scare me to really do that are Hood or McCoy, and that's only if they forgo the NFL to return. I don't feel like Farooq or Redmond have really shown enough to demand more. And Gibson will have to prove himself all over coming off a serious injury.
 
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Weezer said:
The only ones that scare me to really do that are Hood or McCoy, and that's only if they forgo the NFL to return. I don't feel like Farooq or Redmond have really shown enough to demand more. And Gibson will have to prove himself all over coming off a serious injury.
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I think he was taking about Gibson. I could see Gibson playing hardball as an insurance policy given how this year went
 
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KB5252 said:
I think he was taking about Gibson. I could see Gibson playing hardball as an insurance policy given how this year went
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Then let him walk. He'll be coming back from major injury. No guarantees he returns to form. If someone else chooses to take the risk and pay up, let them. We can get guys not coming back from injury from the portal.
 
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MarcoVol said:
Don’t know who they’ll be but I’d expect some guys to leave we aren’t thinking about leaving. Happens to every team.

Guys will ask for raises and they’ll be some that the staff doesn’t feel they want to pay that amount. Especially if Vols go a little more aggressive in portal. Tough to pay a guy from the portal more than what you’re paying guys in the room already. So if you do that then you likely need to give everyone else in the room a raise as well.
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Warning: long.

Agree with most the post.

In ref to bolded:

Totally get the concept, but never liked it, especially as a blanket statement. And don’t think it’s 100% true. Specifically, I disagree most with using the term “everyone” in that statement.

This is a business. Your eval is your eval. There is a reasonable range, driven by precedence (current pay), past performance, individual potential, team/position budget, and market prices. This is how I would look at hiring/retaining/promoting anyone. And most have a ceiling too.

Do you get more for having experience and understanding of the current culture and system? Maybe, but not yes. That theoretically “should” be valuable. More appropriately: do I think that experience makes you a better player and that understanding of our culture a better teammate, creating benefit to the team and its potential BOTH on the field and in the locker room? If so, then yes, and to a degree. Will brooks is the perfect example of someone who because of experience and cultural mindset was able to be more valuable than their physical attributes would have suggested alone. Most are not Will Brooks.

I do like to reward loyalty if possible (obviously Heupel does), but tenure alone only goes so far, and to become elite you have to be willing to break through ceilings. Otherwise that’s how less than qualified people reach positions they shouldn’t and businesses hit THEIR ceilings. And here’s the biggest reason I’m not doing that if I’m Heup - giving everyone a raise due to tenure: this isn’t a super small business where the competition is at an advantage, and retention of “anyone” is crucial to the business. We are near the top in everything that helps the player non-monetarily and monetarily. And we “should” have the depth to not have to bend to such demands if our beaks are sound.

So, guy wants more than your eval says? Are you desperate and thus choosing to hold onto that guy? If so, you may end up paying him more than you want to, more than your eval says. And that hurts the overall team. I’d be hard pressed to do that as a Top 10-15 team with top 5 resources. See Nico, the biggest example. I say let him walk.

And heres another extreme and practical example to illustrate the point:

I pull an all American safety from the portal. Is will wright getting a raise? No. The two are not close enough in assessed value to warrant such a comparison of compensation. And Will isn’t denting the two deep. If he’s unhappy with no raise when you’re bringing someone else in, he can walk. Shoot, if he thinks he can make more elsewhere, and it’s only about the money, then he should walk.

So no, everyone ain’t getting raises just because I (Heupel) bring someone else in. And Id go as far as saying if you aren’t a starter, you don’t get to compare yourself to the guy next to you that I’ve brought in to fight for the starting spot. Win the starting spot, then we can talk about comparing yourself to that guy and getting yourself a raise. Want the raise without earning it, there’s the door and you can list me as a reference if you think it will help wherever you’re headed.

You can treat people like family and also be a man of business. Give respect where earned, be honest, be kind when needed and hard when needed, surround them with resources, etc etc. End of the day there’s a balance to be struck with talent and depth, and resources are not unlimited. So yeah jut like you can’t back up the brink truck, you can’t give everyone free money. Once you build the depth and the culture, which we have, then you cut the bottom - and sometimes in the middle - that are no longer (between talent and character combined) a loss we can’t afford, and increase the top talent to the degree you can. With our resources, Wash, rinse, repeat there and you get a program that eventually can win a championship. Even if you lose the occasional squirrel white, Elijah herring, jakobe thomas, Nico, etc

And if that fails, you can always fahr someone.

Also, why are you still reading this? Even I don’t want to listen to me rant any longer.
 
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Weezer said:
Then let him walk. He'll be coming back from major injury. No guarantees he returns to form. If someone else chooses to take the risk and pay up, let them. We can get guys not coming back from injury from the portal.
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I don't totally disagree, but that can backfire on you as well in recruiting. I don't mind paying a premium because he's been good. But I'd stop short of stupid money and if it means you can't get insurance policies for the team you move on.
 
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KB5252 said:
Do Louisiana politicians routinely get involved with university business or is this something LSU asked for?
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Yes. Way more than most places. Goes back 100 years in that state, LSU football/politics. Whenever Huey Long (who built Tiger Stadium) was governor, he got Biff Jones fired...all because Jones wouldn't let him speak to the team at halftime.
 
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JacketVol said:
If we go to the playoffs every two to three years and average 9 wins a season then I’m good.
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I’m not.

Maybe that’s our currently reality as a top 15 program, but I still consider the both the standard and the goal to be convincingly top 10 and competing for conference and national championships. Don’t let our recent worst period in program history fool you into thinking we’re not capable of that. We have the number 2 sec athletic department from a revenue perspective and a top 5 national NIL program. Thats a top 10 program whether the performance reflects it yet or not.

With 12 teams getting in, 3-5 being sec (soon to be 4-6 with expansion to 16), I’m disappointed if we don’t make it. I expect at this point to think we should make it every year and maybe more realistically make it at least every other year. Thats the bar. Thats where I’m at.

I want to win a championship. We’re overdue. We’re not doing that averaging 9 wins and making the playoffs every 2-3 years.
 
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volKano said:
He shouldn’t have taken it to the media and is a little weird. Although he is right. If a booster doesn’t pay the buyout it can fall on taxpayers. I know it’s not likely but technically it could happen.
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I am in total agreement with the governor on firing the AD, total. Anyone who isn't, well...we all know why.

But...HOW the governor has handled it in the media, and the things he has said??? Pure stupidity. I question whether Landry is all there.
 
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HoleInTheRoof said:
Exactly. The stadium was rocking. We got them in 2nd and 20, then 3rd and 16. THEN Everyone was on their feet.

First down…..

There were just so many deflating, wtf moments.

Just when the top was about to explode, the team would soil their britches.
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So far this season it feels like the louder we get before the play the worse our team plays.
 
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