Recruiting Forum Football Talk IX

[vol9799]

Oklahoma's front 7 was legit. They literally whipped us at the line of scrimmage. Joey made some bad decisions, but what quarterback doesn't struggle when getting hammered consistently. I actually think Oklahoma will give Alabama fits and won't be surprised if they somehow pull out a win. I don't think Alabama can run on them and we will see how Ty Simpson is under pressure. Not sure Oklahoma will score much that game either but they have a very good defense which tends to keep you in the game. Venables is also one of the brightest defensive minds in the game.

Sitting there watching that game, I really struggled with how that OU team got essentially blown out by TX...

 

[Rizzo924]

I still think the game would have unfolded completely different if we had gone up 14-0 instead of it being 7-7. A 14-point swing is always a backbreaker for the entire team.

Wiping away our impending TD + getting one of their own allowed OU to calm down and settle in, while our team panicked over it. Completely changed the tone of the game compared to what 14-0 would have done.

I say this all the time! Certain plays or penalties can change the whole flow of a game. Yes, great teams (typically those with experience and confidence of a winning short-term history) can overcome a play or two. I said after the game that, "we looked like the youngest team in the SEC tonight."

 

[Aesius]

In person, I felt Joey was forcing passes after the fumble.

I told my wife walking out that I think Joey cracked under the pressure of this being a must win game and instead of settling down he started trying to be Superman Joey and force the ball into tight places ala his App State games.

If we had beat UGA and an only 1 loss team coming into this game, I think we would have won easily.

I can see that. It will be interesting to see how he and the rest of the team perform down the stretch. I could actually see the team jelling because the main pressure of the season--making the CFP--is gone, and now they can just play without worrying so much about the consequences of a loss.

Plus, it's not like all motivation is gone, and I believe Heup knows this. A 10-win season is still in the cards, and if we can somehow pull that off, many mistakes of this year will be forgiven. Especially with a win in the Swamp (another milestone victory for him) and beating a mouthy Vandy/Pavia in Neyland. Still a lot to play for.

 

[KnoxVillain]

I think it was said best by an OU fan actually. He said, "Tonight was like a 4 hr concert with a football game in-between to watch." He said it as a compliment but it made me wonder if all of the glitz and glammor of "the show" drains the crowd enough to not have the same consistent roar we are so accustomed too. I get the way the game played out is a factor but fans can only give out so much energy for 4 hours straight.

It’s 4 hours because of TV though. Not because of all the “concert” type stuff. That stuff is just there to fill in the gaps for every TV timeout. I don’t like it just like others have said. Basketball games have the same problem. You don’t need every second to be filled with entertainment. Sometimes less is more.

 

[InVOLuntary]

You avoid questions when it doesn’t suit your narritive, go look up the past records, don’t give me averages.

The season is not finished. He's averaging 8.5 wins a year. That's what it is. Sorry it doesn't fit your narrative.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I still think the game would have unfolded completely different if we had gone up 14-0 instead of it being 7-7. A 14-point swing is always a backbreaker for the entire team.

Wiping away our impending TD + getting one of their own allowed OU to calm down and settle in, while our team panicked over it. Completely changed the tone of the game compared to what 14-0 would have done.

Same mistake happened against Bama too.

We for whatever reason aren't as experienced to shake those mistakes off like in Hendon's last year. This new age of portal and NIL I'm not sure we'll ever really be able to build a deep team with experience again to be honest at least not on both sides of the ball in the same season.

 

[NMVol]

Carry on VolNation. Any great victories to be achieved can only be born of the possibilities of the now!!

 

[Aesius]

It will be absolutely ideal if Kentucky can find a way to beat Florida, and then they get thumped @ Ole Miss the next week. They will have lost bowl eligibility by then and some guys will probably put a lid on their season or just mentally check out, especially under an interim. I want them as weak and down in the dumps as possible when we go in there. Other teams have taken advantage of dead in the water Florida teams for many years and we have never had that luxury.

 

[engineerVOL]

Game hinged on David Sanders’ olé, Joey’s first pick, and for some dam reason letting John Mateer have free reign on 3rd and 13… friggin Tim Banks.

 

[SmyrnaATLVolisback]

Sitting there watching that game, I really struggled with how that OU team got essentially blown out by TX..

Pretty simple. They aren’t good on offense. And if we don’t have a fumble TD and two picks, we likely beat them by two plus scores. Don’t turn the ball over against them and play good defense and you will beat them. Bama is going to beat them by double digits.

 

[Dadof2Vols]

The season is not finished. He's averaging 8.5 wins a year. That's what it is. Sorry it doesn't fit your narrative.

You said 9-3 Coach year over year…

regular season. Full year

2022 10-2 11-2
2023 8-4 9-4. Freshman QB
2024 10-2 10-3
2025 6-3. with a QB not even on team until June

now you want to change to average and say 8.5 wins

if you look at 22-24 it is 9.33 win average, he has been 10 win coach in 22 & 24.

But you feel free to keep using your version of facts to justify your statements.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Josh Huepel para Presidente.

 

[Garren04]

Sitting there watching that game, I really struggled with how that OU team got essentially blown out by TX...

They aren’t a good team. We just absolutely gifted them opportunity after opportunity. They didn’t really do anything special.

 

[Jimmy Football]

The season is not finished. He's averaging 8.5 wins a year. That's what it is. Sorry it doesn't fit your narrative.

He’s averaging 9.25 per season and 8.75 regular season. And that’s holding 2021
against him, which seems a bit unfair.

Since 2022, he’s averaged 9.33 regular season and 10 overall.

 

[itsme]

One year since mom passed suddenly. It’s going to be a day. I took the afternoon off.

Today is 4 years since my dad passed suddenly. The pain eases into a dullness. I will be praying for you. Just sit outside and enjoy the beauty of nature and think of all the good times. It is very healing.

 

[SmyrnaATLVolisback]

You said 9-3 Coach year over year…

regular season. Full year

2022 10-2 11-2
2023 8-4 9-4. Freshman QB
2024 10-2 10-3
2025 6-3. with a QB not even on team until June

now you want to change to average and say 8.5 wins

if you look at 22-24 it is 9.33 win average, he has been 10 win coach in 22 & 24.

But you feel free to keep using your version of facts to justify your statements.

Why would you omit a year?

2021 7-5 7-6

This changes his average. And you left it out and left notes for excuses to change the average to your liking. NIL era you can’t have excuses for not having top talent at starting spots. You spend for your top 25-30. Every team does.

And let’s see how this year finishes. We are more likely to be 7-5 than 9-3. Although I pray we get 9-3 and finish with some momentum. We need it.

 

[SmyrnaATLVolisback]

He’s averaging 9.25 per season and 8.75 regular season. And that’s holding 2021
against him, which seems a bit unfair.

Since 2022, he’s averaged 9.33 regular season and 10 overall.

You can’t omit a year. Imagine doing that for Saban. His record would be insane but he went 6-6 his first season and changes the average.

Coach Kim sure as hell wouldn’t say to omit last year. She would say that’s her team and her job to win. And she did a damn good job.

 

[Smokey123]

I like CJH
I said last night I think he’s better then his surrounding cast and they are holding him back

He’s a great offensive coach. One of the best. It’s questionable how good of a “CEO” he is. Good CEO’s make great coaches, good offensive/defensive coaches have high floors and occasionally run into great season but overall fall short of glory

 

[Dadof2Vols]

Why would you omit a year?

2021 7-5 7-6

This changes his average. And you left it out and left notes for excuses to change the average to your liking. NIL era you can’t have excuses for not having top talent at starting spots. You spend for your top 25-30. Every team does.

And let’s see how this year finishes. We are more likely to be 7-5 than 9-3. Although I pray we get 9-3 and finish with some momentum. We need it.

I did because of the mess he inherited and NCAA stuff.

I think it is fair to include I just omitted because the guys premise was CJH Is just a 9-3 coach which does not seem in touch with reality.

He stated he is just 9-3 then stated he was talking average after I challenged his premise.

Of course 9-3 will have different meaning next year than it does this year.

 

[Jimmy Football]

You can’t omit a year. Imagine doing that for Saban. His record would be insane but he went 6-6 his first season and changes the average.

Coach Kim sure as hell wouldn’t say to omit last year. She would say that’s her team and her job to win. And she did a damn good job.

8.5 is wrong either way.

And I can do as I please, thank you. I happen to think piloting that 2021 roster to a 7-5 mark was borderline miraculous, so frankly, I’m not pretending that season should be a black mark on his resume. I’d 100% give Saban or Kim that same grace. Foolish not to.

 

[knoxvol52]

@butchna

Is Ben Johnson giving you a warm fuzzy as HC of Da Bears? Got Caleb playing better and offense is pretty efficient...

 

[Jimmy Football]

I did because of the mess he inherited and NCAA stuff.

I think it is fair to include I just omitted because the guys premise was CJH Is just a 9-3 coach which does not seem in touch with reality.

He stated he is just 9-3 then stated he was talking average after I challenged his premise.

Of course 9-3 will have different meaning next year than it does this year.

Yeah, I’m sorry, pretending 2021 was just a normal “in a vacuum” season just isn’t reality.

 

[SmyrnaATLVolisback]

I did because of the mess he inherited and NCAA stuff.

I think it is fair to include I just omitted because the guys premise was CJH Is just a 9-3 coach which does not seem in touch with reality.

He stated he is just 9-3 then stated he was talking average after I challenged his premise.

Of course 9-3 will have different meaning next year than it does this year.

If you average every year he has been a head coach here, he is winning right at nine. That is a true statement.

My girls soccer team is all new players. We got killed the first two games and have won four straight. Should I say we are 4-0 because it was a new team? No, we are 4-2.

I don’t like excuses. You are what you are. Heupel is a good coach who wins around nine games a year and that’s just a fact right now. If he goes crazy the next two years, which we all hope for, then his average will go up.

 

[SmyrnaATLVolisback]

8.5 is wrong either way.

And I can do as I please, thank you. I happen to think piloting that 2021 roster to a 7-5 mark was borderline miraculous, so frankly, I’m not pretending that season should be a black mark on his resume. I’d 100% give Saban or Kim that same grace. Foolish not to.

That is insane to me.

I played in college and we had a terrible year one year. No way would I make excuses no matter what year or what was going on.

And why Kim? Lol

Come on

 

[Jimmy Football]

If you average every year he has been a head coach here, he is winning right at nine. That is a true statement.

My girls soccer team is all new players. We got killed the first two games and have won four straight. Should I say we are 4-0 because it was a new team? No, we are 4-2.

I don’t like excuses. You are what you are. Heupel is a good coach who wins around nine games a year and that’s just a fact right now. If he goes crazy the next two years, which we all hope for, then his average will go up.

That’s not an apt comparison. (Congrats to them, though! Are you their coach? If so, nice work!)