So who COULD we get if not Heupel?

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CAVPUT said:
You must be a young 'un. Historically, UT is an 8-ish win program. They filled the stadium then and they'll continue to do so unless things get a lot worse. Given the SEC of today, I wouldn't dismiss the idea that 8 wins is a solid season. This is a new world we live in.
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8 wins was a lot different when the season was shorter. We were also winning a championship at least once a decade with the exception of the horrible 70s. We are staring down 30 years without one now and don’t really appear to be getting close.
 
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Good2bavol said:
I do not want to get back into the coaching carousel. I am not completely put this on Heupel, I think it has been difficult to recruit 5 star players to TN. QUESTION: Could you recruit a 5 star.

All that said, I'm still disappointed
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It's time for a wake up call to all college fans .It's not college ball anymore,it's not about building a team over a few years .Thanks to the NCAA ruining it college ball is about what you can go buy for that one particular year and just look how that QB we paid all that money to played out he was a joke .It's not just Tennessee who is having the problem with win this year or else .look at all the available coaching jobs that has came open mid season .just wait till the end of the year ,The coaches are going be like players ,One and done
 
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West Vol said:
It’d be cool if we were trending in that direction. Maybe there’ll be a year her soon where you lose to every half decent team you play and still win a championship.
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He’s proven he can get you there. Sure he has to get there again and win some games in the playoffs next year. He will have to make some hard to decisions to get there, I think he can
 
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Good2bavol said:
I do not want to get back into the coaching carousel. I am not completely put this on Heupel, I think it has been difficult to recruit 5 star players to TN. QUESTION: Could you recruit a 5 star.

All that said, I'm still disappointed
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No one. Stop throwing interceptions and missing crucial FG. The end. It's not difficult
 
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UTK said:
He’s proven he can get you there. Sure he has to get there again and win some games in the playoffs next year. He will have to make some hard to decisions to get there, I think he can
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In my opinion he’s fielded one elite team, which was 2022. That team would have made the playoffs in the current format and had a chance to make some noise.

Last year’s team was in no way elite and benefited from an anomaly of an easy schedule we aren’t likely to see again any time soon.

So really he’s proven he can get there with someone else’s players (much like the success he had at UCF). Can he manage a roster, staff, and all the other crap to get us to the top? There really isn’t a lot of basis to say he can.
 
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2GeeZ4VolZ said:
I know who he’s hired here and who he hasn’t. I didn’t say they were winning titles yet, I said he has a pretty good history of hiring well. You know, including before he was here and the beginning of time for you apparently began. But maybe you’re right. Fire White AND Heupel. Solid strategy.
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lol neither was said but okay. We can keep them both and continue paying championship prices for mid tier results. That’s a solid strategy as well….. Or just maybe there’s a middle ground somewhere?
 
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rocketskates said:
Josh is a good coach and I’m still happy to have him, but if he doesn’t make some changes to his support staff this offseason it will be the beginning of the end for him. Oklahoma brought the blitz all night, dropped their DBs, and left the middle of the field open. Halzle never schemed to take advantage of that.

Oklahoma adjusted at half to design more qb runs to open up their passing game and build Mateer’s confidence. Banks never adjusted to stopping that. Never put a spy on Mateer. The guy has a broken thumb. He’s not going to throw it over 15 yards, at least not accurately. You can go to man and put a spy on him. It’s frustrating…
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We took advantage of the middle in the 1st half, big chunks of yardage one after another until we would shoot ourselves in the foot.
Heupel invents more ways to lose games than any other coach out there. Plus he is plain weak at teaching and demanding fundamentals of the game, the little details that make a difference in big games against equal talent.
 
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CAVPUT said:
You must be a young 'un. Historically, UT is an 8-ish win program. They filled the stadium then and they'll continue to do so unless things get a lot worse. Given the SEC of today, I wouldn't dismiss the idea that 8 wins is a solid season. This is a new world we live in.
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I would not say that. I've been going to Neyland since '67.
Sure we have had our share of good but not great seasons, but Tennessee has a solid history of different eras of elite football with double-digit wins, SEC titles and national prominence. Coach Neyland's record speaks for itself and his seasons are just as relevant to a school's historical pedigree as any. Dickey had elite teams that carried over to the first 3 seasons of Bill Battle. Coach Majors took longer than expected to rebuild, but broke through in '85 and added SEC titles and top-10 finishes in '89 and '90. Then Fulmer's run of 10 & 11 win seasons in the 90's and 2001. He still had good teams after that, just not quite elite. The 2010's damaged the program's reputation and it being the more recent era until Heupel, has given Tennessee an inaccurate image to the new or casual fan.
 
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vavolfan6 said:
Fans who do not understand the landscape of college football or where Tennessee sits would never understand your question.

Truth is, Heupel has been coaching at a level above the talent we have had since he has been here. Tennessee was hit with recruiting violations and is just now hitting theor stride in recruiting. As we have seen with the defense this year, while there is talent, we are thin. We are stacking the talent.

But at Tennessee, even with NIL, we are a tier behind the upper echelon of college football. Tennessee doesn't have the recruiting hotbed that other states have access to.
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That’s no longer true, all the Tennessee players on other SEC starting teams proves that. Nashville has grown so much and several NFL retired players coaching in the area. Memphis is a hotbed for Ole Miss, Arkansas and Mississippi State. Our recruiting base is fine, we just need to identify them and recruit them. Alabama starting QB from TN, Georgia number one QB recruit from Tennessee. Just to name a few. We have to do a better job in recruiting.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
In a perfect world, Heupel would leave owing us $8m and and we hire Lincoln Riley for and we owe USC $10m.

Who am i kidding. In a perfect world, Lane is here 😂😂😂😂 but he ain’t leaving Ole Miss this year.
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Hell no Kiffin, burn more than mattress if we hired him. I’d go 0-13 before Kiffin sets foot on campus as head coach.
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
This may be the dumbest question on this board and I see it daily. Was JH a sure fire upgrade? We had no idea and we hired him. You don’t get any guarantees when hiring. You decide you want better, you make a move, and it works or it doesn’t.
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If you run your business that way you will be enjoying SNAP bemefits soon.

Well, maybe
 
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airvols said:
That’s no longer true, all the Tennessee players on other SEC starting teams proves that. Nashville has grown so much and several NFL retired players coaching in the area. Memphis is a hotbed for Ole Miss, Arkansas and Mississippi State. Our recruiting base is fine, we just need to identify them and recruit them. Alabama starting QB from TN, Georgia number one QB recruit from Tennessee. Just to name a few. We have to do a better job in recruiting.
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We are trying to compete with Georgia, Ohio State, Texas, Alabama, etc. Sure, we can beat similarly talented teams like Arkansas, MSST, Ole Miss with the talent we have, but not the upper echelon teams our fanbase wants to compete with in order to win a championship.

Georgia and Texas has 4 or 5 players ranked every year as 5* recruits. The state of Tennessee hasn't had one since 2022 (Ty Simpson and Walter Nolan) who both went out of state. There hasn't been another in the last 3 recruiting classes and the one next year is going to Georgia. Either way, the numbers do not compare. Heupel is having to build up his reputation, like Saban did for Bama, in order to get more and more of those out of state 5* recruits. He is trending that direction, but until then the expectations should be tempered to reflect the talent discrepancy.
 
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vavolfan6 said:
We are trying to compete with Georgia, Ohio State, Texas, Alabama, etc. Sure, we can beat similarly talented teams like Arkansas, MSST, Ole Miss with the talent we have, but not the upper echelon teams our fanbase wants to compete with in order to win a championship.

Georgia and Texas has 4 or 5 players ranked every year as 5* recruits. The state of Tennessee hasn't had one since 2022 (Ty Simpson and Walter Nolan) who both went out of state. There hasn't been another in the last 3 recruiting classes and the one next year is going to Georgia. Either way, the numbers do not compare. Heupel is having to build up his reputation, like Saban did for Bama, in order to get more and more of those out of state 5* recruits. He is trending that direction, but until then the expectations should be tempered to reflect the talent discrepancy.
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Saban walked into a dumpster fire and got the #1 recruiting class right off the bat. Both him and Smart started winning in recruiting before they did on the field.

Today's game makes it a little more challenging to do that.
 
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