For the fire Banks crowd.

#77
#77
GUNTERSVOL said:
DO NOT challenge the rationality and intelligence of our entire fanbase like this. It seems your math skills are as good as your football analysis skills.

Those that make lots and of declarative statements and forego getting analysis from the more connected in root cause of the obvious issues can easily fall prey to this shortcoming.
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Recalculating...... 97%
 
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#78
#78
cncchris33 said:
Now let's do every other year and you tell me which seems like the anomaly...

2025
108th in total defense
108th in scoring defense
98th in third-down defense
59th in yards per play
57th in run defense

2023
27th in total defense
22nd in scoring defense
78th in third-down defense
17th in yards per play
20th in run defense

2022
84th in total defense
30th in scoring defense
46th in third-down defense
42nd in yards per play
22nd in run defense

2021
105th in total defense
97th in scoring defense
127th in third-down defense
61st in yards per play
65th in run defense

How are we as bad, or worse, in year 5 than we were in year 1? Sure, everything came together and lined up in 2024, and it was great. Even 2023 was respectable enough that if paired with our current offense, it's passable. And I know injuries play a role, but we should be in a place where missing two CBs in year 5 doesn't totally collapse your entire defense. The problems extend waaaay past our CB injuries, and Colton Hood's arrival has helped mask one of those injuries.
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Thank you for making this point. If you have 4 bad years and 1 good year, which is the outlier? We need a defensive coordinator that can produce consistently good defenses, not just once every few years. Also, as many have pointed out we didn’t face a lot of good offenses last year.
 
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#79
#79
VFLCodyGBO said:
Vandy
Boise St
Auburn
Northwestern
Nebraska
Indiana
Iowa

All power 5 teams with top 50 defenses and all have less (some fare less) talent than the Vols. This isn’t a player problem.
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Emphasized. I don’t think some fans watch other games to compare product on the field.
If we had Auburns D with this offense we would be heading toward a 1 loss at most playoff.
 
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#80
#80
VFL-82-JP said:
I appreciate the sentiment. And the effort.

But you're bringing logic to a discussion with a crowd who don't use logic. They are driven purely by emotion. Logic rolls off their brains like water off a duck's back.

Thank goodness Donde Plowman, Dan White, and Josh Heupel are intelligent folk who do employ logic, and are fully capable of ignoring the emotion-driven element of our community.

Go Vols!
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It's mind boggling isn't it.
 
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jason3713 said:
Do you think he forgot how to coach in one year? Last year half here were afraid he would leave for a head coaching job.

It has a lot more to do with the players on the field than many want to admit.

The Tennessee Vols defense in 2024 was outstanding, finishing sixth nationally in total defense and seventh in scoring defense, allowing just 16.1 points per game. The unit was characterized by depth on the defensive line and at linebacker, improved play from an overhauled secondary, and strong performance in key metrics like third-down defense and tackles for loss.

Key takeaways
  • Overall performance:
    The defense was one of the best in the nation, holding 10 of 13 opponents to fewer than 20 points.

  • Key rankings:
    • 6th in total defense
    • 7th in scoring defense
    • 3rd in third-down defense
    • 5th in yards per play
    • 10th in run defense and tackles for loss
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Wonder what the offenses ranked that beat us vs the offenses that didn't?
 
#86
#86
VFL9798 said:
The defense will get exploited and it will be the reason we missed the playoffs this year. We’re nowhere close to playing complementary football. It just sucks with how impressive our offense has been.
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Some folks look at the win and say all is fine....People and coaches that strive for perfection inorder to reach their goals of championships look for ways to fix what is broke. Going into week 9 we are broke and have been. Where is the improvement on defense?
 
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#87
#87
There are a ton of quality DC looking for a job now.

We were great last year at keeping points off the board but we were not great at yards allowed.

Our D line was insane too. You couldn’t run on them. I personally think 24 was due to talent and not every year will you have that much talent.

I see us playing way too off the ball in the secondary. The qb literally throws at the sticks and our db or cb is 5 yards past it. Happens every 3 down it seems.
 
#91
#91
jason3713 said:
Do you think he forgot how to coach in one year? Last year half here were afraid he would leave for a head coaching job.

It has a lot more to do with the players on the field than many want to admit.

The Tennessee Vols defense in 2024 was outstanding, finishing sixth nationally in total defense and seventh in scoring defense, allowing just 16.1 points per game. The unit was characterized by depth on the defensive line and at linebacker, improved play from an overhauled secondary, and strong performance in key metrics like third-down defense and tackles for loss.

Key takeaways
  • Overall performance:
    The defense was one of the best in the nation, holding 10 of 13 opponents to fewer than 20 points.

  • Key rankings:
    • 6th in total defense
    • 7th in scoring defense
    • 3rd in third-down defense
    • 5th in yards per play
    • 10th in run defense and tackles for loss
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He was never a great defensive coordinator and the only thing the defenders of Banks ever trot out as evidence is last year. Ok, last year they had a "great" year statistically. His first season here they were in the 90's and this year has been worse so are we just supposed to overlook those two seasons? I guess we can expect one great season under Banks, two atrocious ones, and two somewhere in the middle. Thanks, great to know. Just for reference sake, the 2020 team played an SEC only schedule with a horrible offense and still managed to field a better defense than two out of five years under Banks. On average, Jon Jancek fielded better defenses than Tim Banks yet no one on this board would want him as a DC and defends Banks. It feels like half of this board is related to Banks.
 
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#92
#92
CPVOL said:
It’s one thing if there’s a sliver of improvement as the season goes but that’s not the case. That’s the alarming part - they’re regressing to the point that being up by 21 doesn’t make anyone feel “good” bc we can give it all back at light speed
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Yep, if we had a decent defense, we beat UGA by multiple scores. Probably beat Bama too. Im still mad about that game because i dont think Bama is all that good like the media is hyping them up to be.
 
#93
#93
Brave Volunteer said:
Like it or not, attrition IS a huge factor with the problems in our defensive backfield!

McCoy - out!
Gibson- out!
Thomas - out!
Thomas - to Miami!
Hood - Banged up!

We have to stop pretending that doesnt affect our production. We have been forced to play a lot of freshman that simply werent ready to play. Some of which haven't even been on campus a full year! These guys are coaches, not magicians!
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I guess other teams don't have injuries because they still somehow manage to field competent defenses, must be some sort of voodoo magic either that or Banks' scheme is so complex no one can understand it
 
#94
#94
landscapingvol said:
I guess other teams don't have injuries because they still somehow manage to field competent defenses, must be some sort of voodoo magic either that or Banks' scheme is so complex no one can understand it
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Give me another example right now of a team who's entire first team defensive secondary is out, but still playing at a high level! Ill wait!
 
#95
#95
Godfatha said:
Who recruits safeties and LBs? Year 1~3, I would give you that excuse. This is year 5. If you don't have the players in here, that's on you.

No excuse for the poor tackling, poor pursuit angles, and poor coverages this far into the season. We've had a spring practice, fall practice, and are over halfway into the season, and it is not any better now than it was at the start of the season.

Banks coaches safeties. Why are they bad?
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The tackling and pursuit angles are the biggest problem areas for me. And, like it or not, those are coaching issues. You don’t have to be a 5 star to learn those. You can’t coach speed but you can certainly coach those two areas and we are lacking in both. The coaches have to take the blame for those deficiencies.
 
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#96
I belive this boils down to some pretty basic things as I have posted elsewhere:

1. Poor fundamentals: Tackling, pursuit angles, physicality. You allow it to happen because you didn't coach the players up, they don't have the talent to do it (not likely at this level), you don't have depth to promote that can do as well or better
2. Scheme: Putting your players in a position to win. CJH keeps speaking to communication issues.... this also points to coaching or having really dumb players... Don't think it is that our kids are stupid.... Well, maybe one special guy is
3. Improvement over time: With reps we should see things clean up and improve. Not the case this year. This also points towards position group coaching and overall focus of practice.

Hate to say it but without these three it will be harder to win the next few games. We get away with a lot when we have superior talent, that won't be the case until Vandy and even then it is offset by pure grit.
 
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#97
#97
Volanta said:
Good point. I waffle back and forth on Banks. Who you think we should replace him with?
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Depending on what happens at Auburn, DJ Durkin would certainly deserve a phone call. Same with Jim Knowles at Penn State. Ryan Walters would be a great fit, but don’t know if he’d leave Washington after just one season.
 
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#98
#98
Banks improved UT's defense from guru Jeremy Pruitt in year 1. Years 2-4 yielded further improvement. Year 4 defense was one of the best in the nation.

Year 5 has been a step back. UT's coaches should be figuring out why that is and try to correct. I'm sure they are.

But acting like Banks hasn't done a good job in his five years here, in general, is a dubious take, an emotional take.
 
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#99
#99
jason3713 said:
Do you think he forgot how to coach in one year? Last year half here were afraid he would leave for a head coaching job.

It has a lot more to do with the players on the field than many want to admit.

The Tennessee Vols defense in 2024 was outstanding, finishing sixth nationally in total defense and seventh in scoring defense, allowing just 16.1 points per game. The unit was characterized by depth on the defensive line and at linebacker, improved play from an overhauled secondary, and strong performance in key metrics like third-down defense and tackles for loss.

Key takeaways
  • Overall performance:
    The defense was one of the best in the nation, holding 10 of 13 opponents to fewer than 20 points.

  • Key rankings:
    • 6th in total defense
    • 7th in scoring defense
    • 3rd in third-down defense
    • 5th in yards per play
    • 10th in run defense and tackles for loss
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Does Vanderbilt have better talent? Their defense plays all out on every play. they keep eyes up and anticipate where the ball is going. Holding Missouri to10 points was admirable.
 
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