War in Ukraine

[Orangeburst]

Polish judge refuses to extradite Nord Stream blasts suspect over 'just act'

The judge ordered his release, after a ruling that was met with a ripple of surprise in court and a smile from the Ukrainian in the dock.

www.bbc.com

who thought it was Russia that blew up their own pipeline?

 

[hog88]

Is he being played or are there no options short of entering the conflict or escalating it?

What would you have Trump do in this situation?

Your not going to get an answer.

 

[FortSanders]

Is he being played or are there no options short of entering the conflict or escalating it?

What would you have Trump do in this situation?

A better question is what would Reagan have done. Under the Reagan doctrine, Reagan supplied weapons throughout the world for countries to push back the communist threat. Reagan would give Ukraine the weapons they want. The first target would be the drone production facilities about 1,000 miles from Ukraine. The next target would be Russia's oil and gas infrastructure, that would wreak havoc on Russia's means of projecting war. Reagan knew that the Soviets, like Russia, were a paper tiger. They can't defeat a country one-quarter of its size. Russia doesn't even have the best army in Ukraine.

 

[hog88]

A better question is what would Reagan have done. Under the Reagan doctrine, Reagan supplied weapons throughout the world for countries to push back the communist threat. Reagan would give Ukraine the weapons they want. The first target would be the drone production facilities about 1,000 miles from Ukraine. The next target would be Russia's oil and gas infrastructure, that would wreak havoc on Russia's means of projecting war. Reagan knew that the Soviets, like Russia, were a paper tiger. They can't defeat a country one-quarter of its size. Russia doesn't even have the best army in Ukraine.

Why do we need to supply weapons to hit their oil and gas infrastructure? All we need to do is get our and Ukraine's allies to stop buying Russian oil and natural gas, if Europe, India and Turkey would turn off the spigot Russia wouldn't have the money to conduct the war.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Is he being played or are there no options short of entering the conflict or escalating it?

What would you have Trump do in this situation?

I actually like you very much although you call me names and I call you names back. I actually believe you have the ability to think, although I believe its misguided at times. I think you are trying to be honest, and I appreciate that in your comments throughout the forum. Actually, you have been very open.

But let's break this down. You are asking people that were promoting the Russia gate hoax what Trump should do? How do you think that is going to work out? The Truth you might be looking for, might never come, in most of these type of situations it almost never fully comes out but slowly over time it gets more accepted.

They simply set this one up well, which is not easy to stop or unwind. (same thing I said I think in 2022)

 

[LSU-SIU]

A better question is what would Reagan have done. Under the Reagan doctrine, Reagan supplied weapons throughout the world for countries to push back the communist threat. Reagan would give Ukraine the weapons they want. The first target would be the drone production facilities about 1,000 miles from Ukraine. The next target would be Russia's oil and gas infrastructure, that would wreak havoc on Russia's means of projecting war. Reagan knew that the Soviets, like Russia, were a paper tiger. They can't defeat a country one-quarter of its size. Russia doesn't even have the best army in Ukraine.

Let's pretend I think RUSSIA BAD. The U.S. and the Europeans basically ran out of weapons to a large degree, but worse yet, the Ukrainians have run out of meat. Please see Vance's comments from earlier in the year about weapon supplies and meat supplies.

The virtual money printer doesn't magically print weapons and meat.

 

[KB5252]

A better question is what would Reagan have done. Under the Reagan doctrine, Reagan supplied weapons throughout the world for countries to push back the communist threat. Reagan would give Ukraine the weapons they want. The first target would be the drone production facilities about 1,000 miles from Ukraine. The next target would be Russia's oil and gas infrastructure, that would wreak havoc on Russia's means of projecting war. Reagan knew that the Soviets, like Russia, were a paper tiger. They can't defeat a country one-quarter of its size. Russia doesn't even have the best army in Ukraine.

Russia still has the majority of their better/most advanced weapons, mechanized and otherwise. Russia also still has many millions more military aged men available to commit to this fight. The longer this stalemate, with Russia making more gains recently, goes on the more likely something pops off to further destabilize the region.

Ukraine has fought well, but let's be honest, they aren't capable of winning the land lost back from Russia.

We don't have the stomach for a showdown with Russia, this country is softer than a fleece blanket. What Reagan would have done is irrelevant as the makeup of this country is completely different.

Those weapons we supply could also be countered similarly and supplied to Russian allies to attack our interests overseas. Much less create an escalation with NATO members that could get us directly involved. That's a very dangerous game and I believe Putin has made it clear how he would view us offering these weapons. It would be an act of war that could be reciprocated.

I'm sick of wars, we are much better off not shooting a large wad and preparing for the inevitable coming showdown with China.

 

[KB5252]

Let's pretend I think RUSSIA BAD. The U.S. and the Europeans basically ran out of weapons to a large degree, but worse yet, the Ukrainians have run out of meat. Please see Vance's comments from earlier in the year about weapon supplies and meat supplies.

The virtual money printer doesn't magically print weapons and meat.

Ukraine still has many millions military aged men, reserves and civilian to commit to battle, the problem for them is a Russia has many millions more.

It isn't so much that we are running out of weapons, its that there nothing for us to win in this scenario. Ukraine can't beat Russia without a massive commitment from neighbors.... Which would be NATO and that would lead to WWIII. The West has nothing to gain, it can only lose in this scenario. Russia has already won what they wanted and will not commit to giving it back as they feel they have paid for it in blood.

 

[CobbVol]

Still much to be resolved to these complex global trade and tariff issues.

From the article:

The U.S. could substantially slash tariffs on Indian exports as the two countries near a trade deal that could see New Delhi cutting oil purchases from Russia, Indian media outlet Mint reported Wednesday.

Russian oil has been one of the contentious issues in the prolonged bilateral trade talks between the U.S. and India. Trump in August levied an additional 25% tariff on exports from India as a “penalty” for its Russian oil purchases, taking overall duties to 50% and upending relations between the two countries.

Both sides had agreed to boost bilateral trade to $500 billion by 2030 in a meeting in February before talks collapsed with India reportedly not agreeing to widen access to its vast agricultural and dairy sectors.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/10/22/india-us-trade-tariff-cuts-reduced-russian-oil-purchases.html

 

[LSU-SIU]

Ukraine still has many millions military aged men, reserves and civilian to commit to battle, the problem for them is a Russia has many millions more.

It isn't so much that we are running out of weapons, its that there nothing for us to win in this scenario. Ukraine can't beat Russia without a massive commitment from neighbors.... Which would be NATO and that would lead to WWIII. The West has nothing to gain, it can only lose in this scenario. Russia has already won what they wanted and will not commit to giving it back as they feel they have paid for it in blood.

The West is basically out, meaning sure there is some remaining but they are not going to allow the weapon storage to go to zero. That is why you see European countries make a public pledge than later withdrawing the pledge. See Vance's statements on this. Regardless, Vance's second statement is right on, they ran out of meat. Sure, its in theory possible to throw people in buses and throw them in a ditch but that only slows down the loss - the loss still occurs. The Ukrainians basically ran out of trained soldiers, there is no way to meet any real objective here.

There are no wonder weapons like the people in this thread or the tv claim. Its all PR, which is okay I guess but it doesn't change the reality outside of the internet and TV.

I agree with the rest of what you said.

This one was setup very well, and its was setup by the same people that set the rest of the crazy stuff up. You are correct in your original post, the options are limited to the Orange man even if he does want to help the Ukrainians.

 

[Rocky_Top_Vol13]

 

[Rocky_Top_Vol13]

 

[BeardedVol]

Witkoff will most likely suggest to Trump that the new sanctions be removed.

Russian Economic Envoy Kirill Dmitriev Visits US Amid Sanctions and Tensions | Ukraine news - #Mezha

Russian economic envoy Kirill Dmitriev visits the US for talks amid rising tensions and sanctions following Trump's announcement.

mezha.net

 

[MontyPython]

Telegraph:

"... Suddenly, Putin has many reasons to be worried.

Russia’s economy is beginning to buckle. Businesses have been crippled by high interest rates, government borrowing costs have soared and economy minister Maxim Reshetnikov warned in June that the country was “on the brink of a recession”. Warnings are mounting over a potential avalanche of bad debt that could trigger a financial crisis.

Small pockets of protest are emerging. Earlier this month, hundreds of people gathered in St Petersburg Square to sing an outlawed song calling for Putin to be overthrown.

Meanwhile, Ukraine has been aggressively ramping up its drone attacks on Russian oil refineries, hammering the country’s petrol supplies.

Now Donald Trump is turning the screws. After frustration over a lack of progress to end the war in Ukraine, the US president announced new sanctions on two of Russia’s biggest oil companies on Wednesday.

India and China, the main buyers of Russian oil since the war began, responded by curbing purchases. It threatens to cut off crucial oil revenues to Putin’s war machine – and the Russian state.

“For the first time in three and a half years, Russia’s really getting hurt,” says Timothy Ash, an associate fellow at Chatham House’s Russia and Eurasia programme. “I think there’s some panic.”

Article

 

[Vol8188]

If that were true, Ukraine would be making huge gains in territory but they aren't, they are losing more and more each day.

If that were true, Ukraine would have the 7:1 shell advantage, not Russia.

It is always confession through projection with you guys. It is much more likely that Ukraine has suffered 360k casualties, which is very close to my 400k number.

As always, Monty, thanks for the laugh. Still get a good chuckle thinking about you creaming your pants over the switchblade drone and every post was that it was a game changer. Lol

For anyone keeping up at home: 7:1 woukd make Russian casualties around 50-60k based on his estimates. That’s what he believed the total was for the entire war.

Meanwhile leaked Russian documents show the actual casualties over a recent 8 month period where 3x his estimate and the deaths were nearly 90k. Totaling more than 281k killed or wounded in only 8 months.

Yet he believes after multiple years they had only lost around 50k

Russia bleeds troops for microscopic frontline gains

Both Ukraine and Russia are finding it difficult to recruit new soldiers.

www.politico.eu

 

[SquirrelOrange3]

A better question is what would Reagan have done. Under the Reagan doctrine, Reagan supplied weapons throughout the world for countries to push back the communist threat. Reagan would give Ukraine the weapons they want. The first target would be the drone production facilities about 1,000 miles from Ukraine. The next target would be Russia's oil and gas infrastructure, that would wreak havoc on Russia's means of projecting war. Reagan knew that the Soviets, like Russia, were a paper tiger. They can't defeat a country one-quarter of its size. Russia doesn't even have the best army in Ukraine.

Reagan would’ve sent the Marines to Beirut in 1982.

It’s unlikely the Ukrainians will be able to hold open the pocket at Pokrovsk for much longer or hold onto the pocket east of the Oskil River at Kupyansk for very long either as the Russians are bisecting it right now.

If you look at the pro-Ukrainian Deep Cope Map, you can see how much ground the Ukrainian forces have lost in the past year. Ukrainian forces lost Vuhledar last October. Now look how far from the line of contact Vuhledar is. From the line of contact, Vuhledar is 1/3 of the way to the Sea of Azov now.

 

[SquirrelOrange3]

well and Russia has looked like crap against Ukraine.

The Israelis have the finest military hardware on Earth and still haven't conquered the 365 square km Gaza Strip after over two years of fighting men with rifles and homemade bombs, and Sean Hannity & Rachel Maddow have everyone in the USA convinced the Israelis have the best fighting force in the world.

Meanwhile, the Russians have been conquering an average of 435 square km in Ukraine each month so far in 2025, against a Ukrainian armed forces with NATO tanks & IFVs, planes, air defense systems, precision-guided artillery, etc. and Sean Hannity and Rachel Maddow have everyone in the USA that the Russian army can't do jack squat.

 

[Vol8188]

The Israelis have the finest military hardware on Earth and still haven't conquered the 365 square km Gaza Strip after over two years of fighting men with rifles and homemade bombs, and Sean Hannity & Rachel Maddow have everyone in the USA convinced the Israelis have the best fighting force in the world.

Meanwhile, the Russians have been conquering an average of 435 square km in Ukraine each month so far in 2025, against a Ukrainian armed forces with NATO tanks & IFVs, planes, air defense systems, precision-guided artillery, etc. and Sean Hannity and Rachel Maddow have everyone in the USA that the Russian army can't do jack squat.

Unlike the IDF, Russia has significantly more casualties than their enemy

 

[LouderVol]

Reagan would’ve sent the Marines to Beirut in 1982.

It’s unlikely the Ukrainians will be able to hold open the pocket at Pokrovsk for much longer or hold onto the pocket east of the Oskil River at Kupyansk for very long either as the Russians are bisecting it right now.

If you look at the pro-Ukrainian Deep Cope Map, you can see how much ground the Ukrainian forces have lost in the past year. Ukrainian forces lost Vuhledar last October. Now look how far from the line of contact Vuhledar is. From the line of contact, Vuhledar is 1/3 of the way to the Sea of Azov now.

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RAS IS BACK!!!!!

you are bragging about them taking less than 20 miles in a year. at this rate it will take them the better part of 2 decades to make it to Kiev.

 

[LouderVol]

The Israelis have the finest military hardware on Earth and still haven't conquered the 365 square km Gaza Strip after over two years of fighting men with rifles and homemade bombs, and Sean Hannity & Rachel Maddow have everyone in the USA convinced the Israelis have the best fighting force in the world.

Meanwhile, the Russians have been conquering an average of 435 square km in Ukraine each month so far in 2025, against a Ukrainian armed forces with NATO tanks & IFVs, planes, air defense systems, precision-guided artillery, etc. and Sean Hannity and Rachel Maddow have everyone in the USA that the Russian army can't do jack squat.

lol. you guys really need to do some math before bragging about Russia. because when you understand the context, these numbers aren't impressive in the least.

Russia is still holding only about 60% of what they held in 2022, before Ukraines big counteroffensive.

Ukraine had a total land area of over 600k km^2. considering russia holds about 20%, that knocks Ukraine down to 480k approximately. at 435 km a month Russia will need 275 years to take a similar amount of land from Ukraine again.

Russia has been bleeding themselves white to do so. even now they still don't have a positive k/d ratio in the ongoing fighting, in a fight they have every edge in.

Russia prepared for this war, Israel didn't. if you don't think thats a big deal, look at the first months of this war, vs now.
Russia also has foreign weapons, and even soldiers fighting for them. So bringing up NATO is a laughable point. Russia was what, 5x the population, and like 8x the GDP, and who knows what factor on military industry over Ukraine at the start of the war.
Russia's entire reason for the starting the war was to grab a port, and they lost a big chunk of the navy that would use that port, in a land war.

Russia can't even defend its own territory.

 

[BeardedVol]

 

[Rocky_Top_Vol13]

 

[SquirrelOrange3]

RAS IS BACK!!!!!

you are bragging about them taking less than 20 miles in a year. at this rate it will take them the better part of 2 decades to make it to Kiev.

Who's RAS?

Why would they want to fight in hostile territory when they can grind down Ukrainian forces in friendly territory in Donetsk?

Russia: gained less than 20 miles
Israel: very little progress at all in a strip that's 7.5 miles wide at its widest point
Ukraine: lost less than 20 miles

 

[LouderVol]

Who's RAS?

Why would they want to fight in hostile territory when they can grind down Ukrainian forces in friendly territory in Donetsk?

Russia: gained less than 20 miles
Israel: very little progress at all in a strip that's 7.5 miles wide at its widest point
Ukraine: lost less than 20 miles

ras is the same type of poster you are. Russian apologist who tries to put a shine on Russian turds. which can be done, as long as the person doesn't know its dung.

israel has nothing to do with this situation. kinda like football, the transitive property is crap in warfare. in your argument the only super power in the world is Afghanistan. they whooped both the US and Russia.

I know there are some who will argue against it, but I don't think I have ever claimed Ukraine is winning this war. at least in the conventional sense, I have always maintained they will lose ground, but for their sakes hopefully fight hard enough to not lose everything.

Russia being better than Ukraine was a given from the start, so Russia isn't proving how macho they are here.

 

[SquirrelOrange3]

lol. you guys really need to do some math before bragging about Russia. because when you understand the context, these numbers aren't impressive in the least.

Russia is still holding only about 60% of what they held in 2022, before Ukraines big counteroffensive.

Ukraine had a total land area of over 600k km^2. considering russia holds about 20%, that knocks Ukraine down to 480k approximately. at 435 km a month Russia will need 275 years to take a similar amount of land from Ukraine again.

Russia has been bleeding themselves white to do so. even now they still don't have a positive k/d ratio in the ongoing fighting, in a fight they have every edge in.

Russia prepared for this war, Israel didn't. if you don't think thats a big deal, look at the first months of this war, vs now.
Russia also has foreign weapons, and even soldiers fighting for them. So bringing up NATO is a laughable point. Russia was what, 5x the population, and like 8x the GDP, and who knows what factor on military industry over Ukraine at the start of the war.
Russia's entire reason for the starting the war was to grab a port, and they lost a big chunk of the navy that would use that port, in a land war.

Russia can't even defend its own territory.

Bleeding themselves white. Granted, both armies are fighting hard and losing a lot of guys, but look at the body swaps:



There aren't many dead Russians to hand over compared to the dead Ukrainians. And I take no pleasure in the Ukrainian government bureaucrats putting my tax dollars into their slush funds to continue conscripting those men and sending them to their deaths for nothing while Americans cheer them to their deaths. And which army is the one relying on pregnant women in combat?



Sure, Russia uses foreign-made weapons too, but the Russians and Ukrainians are fighting by far the two biggest armies in Europe and they both have first-rate equipment and weapon systems. The Israelis also have first-rate everything but are fighting men with rifles, RPGs and homemade bombs. And I find it hard to believe the Israelis had no plan drawn up for decades, adjusted over time, on how to fight a war in Gaza. To say they didn't plan for that contingency is laughable.

The population differential between Russia and Ukraine is my point exactly. And it's more like 6:1 considering Russia took in 1,500,000 Ukrainian refugees. No country took in more Ukrainian refugees than Russia. You also have to factor in the population that resides in areas controlled by Russian forces, people who are, for the most part, pro-Russia to begin with. You have to factor in the millions that left Ukraine for Poland, Western Europe, North America, and elsewhere. That's why Ukraine is relying on pregnant combat soldiers. Russia will have an industrial and supply advantage over Ukraine for the entire war no matter how long the war lasts, because China is helping to supply the Russians and the Chinese have already said they're not going to let Russia lose the war, whereas Ukraine is being supplied by NATO. All of the NATO countries combined are out-manufactured by China alone and Russia's military production is very significant. Look at the differential in field artillery.

You say the Russians can't defend their own territory, but the Ukrainians already lost the ground they controlled in Kursk province, but how much of Lugansk province does Ukraine control? Maybe it's the Ukrainians who can't get back their lost territory.

The Ukrainian Army was supposed to have the Summer in Crimea party in August of 2023. Remember?




Oh well, it seems the people in Lugansk are glad the Russians are there anyway.