Recruiting Forum Football Talk IX

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Jackcrevol said:
But they did, through attrition, injury, and draft. This years offense; is last years secondary.
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That doesn’t make any sense to me.

Offense lost:

Starting QB
4 starting OL
All SEC RB
2 of 3 starting WRs

Defense lost:

3 starting DL
1 starting DB

DL had a ton of players that played last year returning though. And our starting corners are injured but we replaced one with a first rounder.

Really no excuse for how bad they are. I could understand dropping from top five to top 25, but not top 90.

I think a big reason for the offense is a change in philosophy and the coaches took it personal. I don’t think banks has ever self assessed or changed his defense.
 
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Lloyd_Christmas said:
She's not the first person to think it...probably the first to say it out loud. I'm sure many fans have thought it was a possibility but weren't going to say anything about it because they loved the guy so much it didn't matter.
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Shouldn’t matter no matter how much they like or dislike him.
 
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Go Fight Win said:
I was referencing the names already being thrown around by reporters publicly. It’s a great list so far

Sounds like we’re going to seek out one of the best names in college baseball on top of interviewing in house

I’m sad about Tony but optimistic our AD continues to make great hires. It’s going to be tough going from the goat TN baseball coach to whatever is next but I think we are in good hands
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I like making Elander earn it via interview. It's clearly in high demand.
 
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SSVol said:
I heard nothing that gave a sense of why, only that "it didn't have to happen". Right. Tony chose to leave, DW didn't force him out.

Pure speculation, but my guess is that Tony made requests/demands that DW could have accommodated but chose not to. Not sure who you can/should blame for that.
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I'm sure he didn't force him out. I gather he didn't really try hard to keep him.
 
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SmyrnaATLVolisback said:
That doesn’t make any sense to me.

Offense lost:

Starting QB
4 starting OL
All SEC RB
2 of 3 starting WRs

Defense lost:

3 starting DL
1 starting DB

DL had a ton of players that played last year returning though. And our starting corners are injured but we replaced one with a first rounder.

Really no excuse for how bad they are. I could understand dropping from top five to top 25, but not top 90.

I think a big reason for the offense is a change in philosophy and the coaches took it personal. I don’t think banks has ever self assessed or changed his defense.
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Defense lost more than just those 4 and we play 2 deep more on that side so depth pieces are big losses.

Will Brooks - graduated
Jermod McCoy - injury in spring
James Pearce Jr. - drafted
Jalen Smith - transfer
Rickey Gibson - injury after 1 game
Keenan Pili - graduated
Christian Charles - transfer
Kalib Perry - transfer
Omari Thomas - drafted
Jackobe Thomas - transfer
Christian Harrison - transfer
Omarr Norman-Lott - drafted

Those were all guys that played last season a ton and racked up plenty of stats for us.
 
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VolGee4 said:
I like @InVOLuntary and @Jimmy Football, but this would be my response, too. I would also add that Tony's program didn't stand alone as it was part of a greater athletic department. Sometimes, you have to be a team player with other sports. Whatever resources Tony did have, he was killing it. But people always want more.

I was happy to see Tony's statement- made me feel better about the situation.
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I'm not trashing DW. I do think he could have gotten him to stay if he wanted to. I think he was ok if he stayed and was ok if he left. People tend to like to work for people that want them.
 
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I do think DW probably took a bit more of a business approach.. A&M was after Tony and he let it drag out a bit, new contract and got paid...then San Fran just a year later comes calling and Tony obviously was serious about it...might have been able to keep him but what if another big job came calling after this season again?

At some point as the AD you have to realize I can't let one do this or they'll all do it...so for me I really have no ill feelings toward either side. I get why each wanted what they did, just hope the next hire is a good one to keep the program near the top where it should be.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Defense lost more than just those 4 and we play 2 deep more on that side so depth pieces are big losses.

Will Brooks - graduated
Jermod McCoy - injury in spring
James Pearce Jr. - drafted
Jalen Smith - transfer
Rickey Gibson - injury after 1 game
Keenan Pili - graduated
Christian Charles - transfer
Kalib Perry - transfer
Omari Thomas - drafted
Jackobe Thomas - transfer
Christian Harrison - transfer
Omarr Norman-Lott - drafted

Those were all guys that played last season a ton and racked up plenty of stats for us.
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Jalen awful
Pili always injured
Charles average at best. Injured all the time
Perry awful
Thomas can’t defend the pass

Yes, we lost a good bit on D line. But we still kept Joseph’s, West, Bailey, Moi, Hobbs, Ross, Herring, and others. Not like we don’t have talent.
 
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JohnnyD1024 said:
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Well the Deacon just shut down a bunch of rumors. I believe the man. Tony just couldn't turn down a shot at the bigs . Seen where someone said he could have waited like Peyton , no Peyton would have been drafted the next year no matter what. This may have been Tony's only chance at the bigs.
 
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volsagain said:
Well the Deacon just shut down a bunch of rumors. I believe the man. Tony just couldn't turn down a shot at the bigs . Seen where someone said he could have waited like Peyton , no Peyton would have been drafted the next year no matter what. This may have been Tony's only chance at the bigs.
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I agree. I said it would be like Peyton staying for his senior year, I didn't say TV should have stayed. Just if he did it would be on the Peyton staying level decision and the reaction would have been similar. People do not make those kind of choices very often.
 
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SmyrnaATLVolisback said:
Jalen awful
Pili always injured
Charles average at best. Injured all the time
Perry awful
Thomas can’t defend the pass

Yes, we lost a good bit on D line. But we still kept Joseph’s, West, Bailey, Moi, Hobbs, Ross, Herring, and others. Not like we don’t have talent.
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Jalen played in all 13 games, and was 9th on the team in combined tackles
Pili despite only playing in 6 games finished the year 11th on the team in combined tackles
Charles 12th in combined tackles
Perry was 13th in combined tackles...far better than Bolton
Thomas I think we just weren't using right...in 6 games for Miami he's already at the same stats he had here last year, guy can play

I agree we have plenty of talent, shouldn't be as bad as they are...but the defense lost a ton of bodies and experience. Can't say "that's our best defense under Heupel" and then trash all the guys that played on it and left...
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Here are your top offenses in SEC rankings; based on PPG and total yards to the right (#)
1. Vols (2)
2. Vandy (6)
3. Missouri (4)
4. Ole Miss (3)
5. Arkansas (1)
6. Texas A&M (5)
7. Bama (8)
8. Georgia (7)
9. Miss State (9)
10. OU (10)
11. Texas (11)
12. LSU (12)
13. Auburn (15)
14. Kentucky (14)
15. Florida (13)
16. South Carolina (16)

Our defense isn't good, but they've also not played a bottom tier SEC offense yet. I think tomorrow night will give us the best idea of how bad they really are, Kentucky isn't good they're averaging 22.5 ppg with 342.2 total yards. We put the defense on the field for a ton of plays, part of that is their own fault for not being better on 3rd downs. We've also played 2 OT games which pushed the averages up even further.

But if Kentucky goes for over their averages then it's just an awful defense with no real excuses anymore. And we'll need to just hope our offense can outscore the teams left because every game should be considered a shootout.
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the most kentucky scored in a p4 game was 23 against Ole Miss. meanwhile, the FEWEST points our defense allowed vs an fbs team is 24.
 
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