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BeardedVol said:
Pretending that to be true, won't make it so, no matter how hard you try.
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People tear stuff down all the time to upgrade buildings. Other than it’s Trump why does it matter if a ball room is built not paid by taxpayers for future presidents to use
 
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appvol said:
People tear stuff down all the time to upgrade buildings. Other than it’s Trump why does it matter if a ball room is built not paid by taxpayers for future presidents to use
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if the private funding removes a layer of accountability its not a good thing. Especially if some of those private funders get to suggest some changes or additions of their own.

Its the White House, it should be above any implied partial ownership by private citizens.
 
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CobbVol said:
The revenue numbers look to be indifferent versus others. My point is using your graph the Biden admin in comparing 2025 vs. 2024 was dramatically higher (+$200B). When the administrations changed, the monthly deficit begin to normalize more to 2024. At the Q1 rate the Biden administration was tracking the overall FY deficit would be much, much higher than what it is going to actually be.
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Normalizing towards 2024 still isnt a victory lap. We both know that. It's going from 605 to 604 pounds and claiming its a win because your not 610 pounds..

Just dont really see a long term shift in anything

April's favorbility was largely due to prior year tax collections (and Q1 estimates based on prior.year) and anniversarying the last of 2020 COVID benefits. Small portion was tariffs.

June was the one month the admin can hang their hat on as a change in trend. Im afraid thats more the last month before OBBBA spending increases, tarrif, and payment calendar than an actual long term shift in fiscal responsibility. July-Sept pretty much reverted back to the old trendline...
 
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LouderVol said:
if the private funding removes a layer of accountability its not a good thing. Especially if some of those private funders get to suggest some changes or additions of their own.

Its the White House, it should be above any implied partial ownership by private citizens.
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Normalizing towards 2024 still isnt a victory lap. We both know that. It's going from 605 to 604 pounds and claiming its a win because your not 610 pounds..

Just dont really see a long term shift in anything

April's favorbility was largely due to prior year tax collections (and Q1 estimates based on prior.year) and anniversarying the last of 2020 COVID benefits. Small portion was tariffs.

June was the one month the admin can hang their hat on as a change in trend. Im afraid thats more the last month before OBBBA spending increases, tarrif, and payment calendar than an actual long term shift in fiscal responsibility. July-Sept pretty much reverted back to the old trendline...
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The shift is the clear difference between Q1 deficit totaling vs. the other quarters in FY25. If you take Q1 plus Jan it totals ~$840B or nearly 50% of the FY budget in just 4 months. That is $210B per month deficit.

After the circus left town, the deficit from Feb-Sept totaled $935B over 8 months or $117B/month. Big difference.

The revenue timing might have some bearing but not enough to make up the resulting difference with the administrations.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Normalizing towards 2024 still isnt a victory lap. We both know that. It's going from 605 to 604 pounds and claiming its a win because your not 610 pounds..

Just dont really see a long term shift in anything

April's favorbility was largely due to prior year tax collections (and Q1 estimates based on prior.year) and anniversarying the last of 2020 COVID benefits. Small portion was tariffs.

June was the one month the admin can hang their hat on as a change in trend. Im afraid thats more the last month before OBBBA spending increases, tarrif, and payment calendar than an actual long term shift in fiscal responsibility. July-Sept pretty much reverted back to the old trendline...
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To look at it from the current run rate of this administration, with an average of $117B monthly deficit, that develops to a $1.4T annual deficit. Not where we need to be but definitely moving in the right direction.
 
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85SugarVol said:
My only assertion was that the proportion of “hard right wingers” to “everyone else” was always overstated.

Mojo has taken a more nuanced view, which is fine. Mine was a blunt binary accounting.

I understand why it feels like an echo chamber. And recognize how it does function like an echo chamber, given the behavior and propensities of the actual “hard right wingers”. They are very vocal, and monolith in their responses (or lack thereof).
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Maybe so. Maybe it doesn’t matter numerically, but I’m also not sure I agree with how you defined “right wing” or who falls into it.

One of the ways that I think the presence of “everyone else” exacerbates rather than resolves the echo chamber effect is that I think it creates a bunch of fake independents.

Gallup says Trump’s approval rating is around 30% with independents and sub 40% with US adults. Both of those numbers have declined from close to 50% in January. It’s just one pollster, but the decline is pretty consistent with the last time I looked at RCP or Nate Silver.

Look around here at how many of the right leaning “independents” have changed stripes and it’s not 2/5. Not 1/5. I doubt it’s more than 1/20 that have gone from agnostic or approve to disapprove. Honestly, there are probably more who at least appear to have gone the other way.

A lot of potential explanations for that, but I think a big chunk of it is that there is a self-perceived uptick in credibility for partisans who claim to be non-partisan and there’s no reputational harm stemming from just being bad at the schtick.
 
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This admin is run by 4chan trolls

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The White House Building

Every president since John Adams has occupied the White House, and the history of this building extends far beyond the construction of its walls. From the Ground Floor Corridor rooms, transformed from their early use as service areas, to the State Floor rooms, where countless leaders and...
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n_huffhines said:
This admin is run by 4chan trolls

www.whitehouse.gov

The White House Building

Every president since John Adams has occupied the White House, and the history of this building extends far beyond the construction of its walls. From the Ground Floor Corridor rooms, transformed from their early use as service areas, to the State Floor rooms, where countless leaders and...
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Imagine being the dumb**** who thinks this is awesome.
 
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