Recruiting Forum Football Talk IX

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#54,727
jave36 said:
The money far far far offsets the costs in most cases. And don't the courts almost never rule in favor of an individual who opted out and then filed their own lawsuit because they deem the company already punished from the class action?
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It's not my area, but a court isn't going to dismiss an individual lawsuit simply for opting out of a class action. You do have to follow rules and timelines, however. The class action just allows all those that opt-in to pool the costs and fees and not have to pay out of pocket. An individual would end up having to compensate their own attorney.

Class actions, like some other civil cases, are taken on contingencies. When attorneys put that risk out there by taking a case without up front payment, then they get a percentage on the back end. There is no guarantee of being successful. There are thousands of hours put into class actions. Trust me, there are times when attorneys get nothing from a contingency fee after spending hours of work. Attorneys also spend their own money and in complex ones, they can get expensive with experts involved. The court will also approve all fees to make sure they are fair and reasonable. From my knowledge of class actions, a high number of attorneys are also involved. While possibly lucrative, that big fee amount may be split among a bunch of them.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Chris Lowe was on Swain's show on the animal. You guys need to go listen when it's available. He just ended his segment. I would summarize but don't want the hate.
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Understand though I think if you make it obvious this is what C-Lo stated and not your opinion, I think the blowback will be minimal. (But I may underestimate the intelligence of the posters 🫣
 
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SSVol said:
Given the smoke it's likely Tony and DW didn't like each other very much and Tony may even have left because he doesn't like DW. The question what do you do about it? How would you have stopped it? He was already at the top of the pay scale. They are already spending over $100M to improve LNS. We're landing #1 classes. So what do you do? What more do you need? Despite the characterization of Tony running for the door, he sat on the decision for several days. What do you do about that? I don't know what you can unless you are willing to pay well above market, and then you just look sad and desperate. Baseball is still a business and there is a limit to what you can justify paying.

And this won't be popular, but is Tony the baseball Saban? Maybe, but we honestly don't know at this point. He's obviously good, unquestionably likeable, and was a great representative of the school and baseball program, but there is a ton of daylight between one CWS and GOAT status. I certainly would have loved another 10 seasons to find out, but that isn't happening. Next man up.
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Tony can always come back to UT once he gets canned from SF and Danny takes another AD job somewhere else. Trust the process.
 
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Enki_Amenra said:
Sure. . . but he already works here. Isnt that something that should've already been done?
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Could be a deeper dive. Talk to people about leadership qualities. They are also doing background checks on contingency candidates. Maybe Elander takes a job with TV? You have to plan for all options, and this work has to be done in a short time frame.
 
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SmyrnaATLVolisback said:
It’s the way of college sports. Everything is great and everyone loves you while you do well but once you make a mistake you can see how quick things can change. Tony was loved by all and he won. You can’t have problems with your favorite coach. VFLs loved him, fans loved him, donors loved him. If those people know you are the reason he left, they will turn and that’s your money makers. If DW was a big reason for him leaving, that cannot come out for his sake honestly because I think he is a great AD. But you can’t piss off your money makers and people who support this university.
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At this point, I think it’s pretty certain that they weren’t buddies, but there is a gulf of gray that exists between “friends” and “hated each other’s guts”.

Feels like the majority of the conversation lacks that nuance.
 
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Orangeburst said:
come on man..spill it..we hate you already
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- MLB opportunity a major opportunity
- not the best relationship between TV & DW
- TV was bigger than just baseball
- thinks there was a way for this not to happen
- TV wasn’t perfect in the way he did things / handled things but was something Tennessee people had be proud of
- people / players / donors want Elander
- thinks best result would be national search but land on Elander
- if not Elander, people will be upset
- doesn’t know how much TV & DW talked about TV staying bc not in the know there
- hard decision for TV to leave, he was upset
- not like TV is leaving for ARK or FL, he’s going to MLB
- unnamed donor says it didn’t have to happen
- doesn’t think it was fair for anyone to pit LV bball vs baseball
- doesn’t think it was smart for DW to mention it
- rumors are rumors
 
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Lowe: "What Tennessee lost was bigger than baseball. It was something he started when Tennessee athletics were in the crapper. He gave fans something to hold onto when things weren't going well inside that athletic program and brought people together. It was more than baseball. It was an event...................DW said it was a proud day. I disagree. Its a sad day. I don't think this had to happen. I think there was a way for this not to happen."
 
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IMO TV wanted to stay. He needed UT/DW to come to the table with something substantial to keep him - not just about his own pay, but more as an organization inside of UTAD, including NIL, coaches pay, control, etc.

DW and the UTAD either felt TV wouldn't leave (which is dumb) or they could replace him (might be right, but HUGE risk).

I think the delay in TV taking the gig was really him trying to stay. That is my take. I don't think DW came to the table with enough and TV finally had to make a call.

I think Low is right, I think this could have been avoided.
 
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MarcoVol said:
- MLB opportunity a major opportunity
- not the best relationship between TV & DW
- TV was bigger than just baseball
- thinks there was a way for this not to happen
- TV wasn’t perfect in the way he did things / handled things but was something Tennessee people had be proud of
- people / players / donors want Elander
- thinks best result would be national search but land on Elander
- if not Elander, people will be upset
- doesn’t know how much TV & DW talked about TV staying bc not in the know there
- hard decision for TV to leave, he was upset
- not like TV is leaving for ARK or FL, he’s going to MLB
- unnamed donor says it didn’t have to happen
- doesn’t think it was fair for anyone to pit LV bball vs baseball
- doesn’t think it was smart for DW to mention it
- rumors are rumors
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Did DW fire Tony? If not it was Tony's decision, and then logically, no it didn't have to happen.
 
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give_him 6 said:
Lowe: "What Tennessee lost was bigger than baseball. It was something he started when Tennessee athletics were in the crapper. He gave fans something to hold onto when things weren't going well inside that athletic program and brought people together. It was more than baseball. It was an event...................DW said it was a proud day. I disagree. Its a sad day. I don't think this had to happen. I think there was a way for this not to happen."
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so basically he didn’t say anything that wasn’t already out there. I wish He had said what he thought could have prevented it.
 
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Chris Low essentially said it wasn't a complete surprise to people on the inside. It wasn't just 1 thing, but multiple things. He compared it to Pat Summitt's death, Fulmer's last year and firing, and Majors' being pushed out/fired. He thinks there was a way for this not to happen, but it did. Acknowledges imperfections on all sides, but lifts up Tony being for being 'Tennessee's'.

Says the best result for all would be for DW to do a national search and come back to Elander as the best guy for now.

It was really hard for Vitello to leave and Low doesn't believe that 'in his heart of hearts' he wanted to leave.

It wasn't fair for anyone to try to pit Vols' baseball vs Lady Vols basketball. It wasn't smart for DW to respond or even bring it up in the press conference.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
I'm a Vol...unlike Tony...until I die. He left us in a lurch...so screw him. "You're either a Vol or You're not!"...using his own words against him here..HE IS NOT.

Now he will fail in this silly Guants experimental endeavor and then come back to the SEC at another school and further twist the knife in our collective guts.

If you aren't upset...so what...I am and screw everybody that don't like it. I took him at his word, I actually believed that he wanted to leave a Neyland type legacy at UT...I was fooled by his seeming sincerity.


You're either a Vol..or you're not...I am and he ain't.
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I love the sentiment, but us fans are the only ones that are with UT through thick and thin.

Sadly, we will never have a coach that is a true ride or die for our university again. That statement applies to the majority of student athletes as well. It’s not something unique to us though, it’s the same for all other universities.
 
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give_him 6 said:
Lowe: "What Tennessee lost was bigger than baseball. It was something he started when Tennessee athletics were in the crapper. He gave fans something to hold onto when things weren't going well inside that athletic program and brought people together. It was more than baseball. It was an event...................DW said it was a proud day. I disagree. Its a sad day. I don't think this had to happen. I think there was a way for this not to happen."
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give_him 6 said:
Lowe: "What Tennessee lost was bigger than baseball. It was something he started when Tennessee athletics were in the crapper. He gave fans something to hold onto when things weren't going well inside that athletic program and brought people together. It was more than baseball. It was an event...................DW said it was a proud day. I disagree. Its a sad day. I don't think this had to happen. I think there was a way for this not to happen."
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SpringBokVol said:
IMO TV wanted to stay. He needed UT/DW to come to the table with something substantial to keep him - not just about his own pay, but more as an organization inside of UTAD, including NIL, coaches pay, control, etc.

DW and the UTAD either felt TV wouldn't leave (which is dumb) or they could replace him (might be right, but HUGE risk).

I think the delay in TV taking the gig was really him trying to stay. That is my take. I don't think DW came to the table with enough and TV finally had to make a call.

I think Low is right, I think this could have been avoided.
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I think you're both right. Absolutely think he wrestled with the idea, think he loved his team. But ultimately its business. I def think he made some demands. What does it matter that DW didnt meet them? He has a AD to run.

No one forced TV to go to Giants. He chose that. Its the MLB. He made the right decision.

Moving on.
 
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SpringBokVol said:
IMO TV wanted to stay. He needed UT/DW to come to the table with something substantial to keep him - not just about his own pay, but more as an organization inside of UTAD, including NIL, coaches pay, control, etc.

DW and the UTAD either felt TV wouldn't leave (which is dumb) or they could replace him (might be right, but HUGE risk).

I think the delay in TV taking the gig was really him trying to stay. That is my take. I don't think DW came to the table with enough and TV finally had to make a call.

I think Low is right, I think this could have been avoided.
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So he left to go someplace where he has less control and makes (nets) less money.
 
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#54,748
volfaninpa said:
Chris Low essentially said it wasn't a complete surprise to people on the inside. It wasn't just 1 thing, but multiple things. He compared it to Pat Summitt's death, Fulmer's last year and firing, and Majors' being pushed out/fired. He thinks there was a way for this not to happen, but it did. Acknowledges imperfections on all sides, but lifts up Tony being for being 'Tennessee's'.

Says the best result for all would be for DW to do a national search and come back to Elander as the best guy for now.

It was really hard for Vitello to leave and Low doesn't believe that 'in his heart of hearts' he wanted to leave.

It wasn't fair for anyone to try to pit Vols' baseball vs Lady Vols basketball. It wasn't smart for DW to respond or even bring it up in the press conference.
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Maybe like in "he protesteth too much"?
 
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#54,749
SpringBokVol said:
I think UK easily scores 20+.

Our defense isn't set up to stop teams from scoring and the style in which we play offense either quick scores or quick punts, they will get a lot of possessions
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I think they score ab 24 as well


The defense is just so dogshit. Tim Banks will have his safeties on the 50 when UK is at their own 25.
 
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