Recruiting Forum Football Talk IX

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VFL10 said:
Metal we are gutted over here...
Please tell us the pull for Elander is going to come through. If anything just for the players current & former.
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SugarCC said:
I'm totally happy if Elander is the guy long term; but, if he isn't, how many lose their minds and use "players and former players want him" as their rally cry, forgetting all about Texas A&M...just 1 year ago?
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Something interesting to point out...not sure if it's a Baseball thing or what.

But since the first year of TN baseball only 2 coaches have stayed past year 8.

Bill Wright 19 years total & Rod Delmonico 18 years total


Tony's only the 3rd coach in program history to stay 8 years in a row, and only the 4th all time to be here for at least 8 (Frank Moffett did it, but in 3 different tenures)
 
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UTSuave’ said:
AD won that natty for sure.winning brings revenue without winning there is no Danny dollars..you’ve got it flipped.im alarmed at how many people think AD’s can’t be replaced “good AD’s” 🥴 10 years ago in our horrific slump I’d say absolutely keep Danny but look at where we are today. it’s the same argument everyone in here has used but flipped..good AD’s will actually come here now..we are on fire as a program from a athletics and academic standpoint..with Randy Boyd and plowman eyeing Danny I have full confidence in Boyd and plowman to ensure this university continues to hire winners just don’t lose them over dumb s*** is my point..do you think they’ll keep Danny if we start to flop knowing he just let a national title winning coach walk?…you can’t justify that whatsoever in the same year a new stadium is being built and ticket prices are higher than they’ve ever been..believe it or not Danny has a lot of pressure we just don’t see it yet.
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It’s you bozos that have a view point of “just let a national championship coach walk” that just sounds stupid every time you open your mouth. Danny white didn’t let anyone “walk”. That was Tony Vs choice. He’s going to the MLB. It’s the only job he would have left here for. There was realistically not a thing Danny White could have done to keep Tony Vitello. Not. A. Single. Thing. No AD on this planet is keeping their coach if an MLB franchise came calling. Tony Vitello isn’t leaving because of some BS rumor about money that was supposed to go to baseball going to women’s basketball. Quit believing dumb ****. Yes women’s basketball gets more share, that’s common sense. But from a NIL perspective, Tennessee baseball gets more NIL dedicated to it than 99.9% of college baseball programs. That’s just facts. Did Tony V want more? I’m sure he did, you need to always want more. That’s not why Tony took an MLB job though, if you think that’s you are beyond delusional.
 
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VolGee4 said:
You can opt out of the class. You don’t have to be included. Let’s face it, most people have no clue about it until they are notified. Also depending on the case, attorneys spend a bunch of money up front for costs. There’s more to it than just adding people to a lawsuit.
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The money far far far offsets the costs in most cases. And don't the courts almost never rule in favor of an individual who opted out and then filed their own lawsuit because they deem the company already punished from the class action?
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
I'm a Vol...unlike Tony...until I die. He left us in a lurch...so screw him. "You're either a Vol or You're not!"...using his own words against him here..HE IS NOT.

Now he will fail in this silly Guants experimental endeavor and then come back to the SEC at another school and further twist the knife in our collective guts.

If you aren't upset...so what...I am and screw everybody that don't like it. I took him at his word, I actually believed that he wanted to leave a Neyland type legacy at UT...I was fooled by his seeming sincerity.


You're either a Vol..or you're not...I am and he ain't.
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Great Post!

Tony said himself, several times, you're either a VOL or not!...

This guy lived and breathed the University of Tennessee-- he was at every basketball game high-fiving and wearing ZZ's jersey, he was on the sidelines right behind Heup at every home football game, he pushed for new facilities under the guides he would fill them and build a dynasty... The guy was a hometown hero and probably never had to even buy a cup of coffee himself, much less a meal in Knoxville... Bringing in elite class after class...

And just like that, he jumps over to the MLB on the Leftist coast where (as we all saw with Nico's numbers) he will make considerably less netting out... And I don't know if folks have seen it, but Giants fans are furious with the hire, all over X saying they are cancelling their season tickets, making stereotype southern racist remarks about him, the University, the state of TN, saying stay in that trailer park hillbilly backwoods inbred state, he will bring MAGA hats and make it "Maga Night", etc... Does he not realize the largely liberal fanbase there thinks the Giants are bringing in some southern conservative redneck? Not sure I would pick the place to start my big new career in the MLB with a fanbase already calling for my head...

Yet there he goes... Something happened with TV and DW, something big, as Jared Dickey tweeted...

DW has in fact, whether directly or indirectly made some great hires to get TN back in the mix nationally in many sports... I think it has gone to his head when you read into things, jacking ticket prices up every year, bragging about the waitlist, and I do think there is a lot to him being standoffish... I saw where a few longtime baseball season ticket holders went to X saying they called the University ticket office and said they no longer wanted their tickets and the office said sorry, they couldn't help them??? What happened to that long line of waitlist??? You could cancel their tickets and transfer them over to someone at the top of the waitlist in 15 minutes if it was true...

Wonder if we'll ever truly find out...

BUT--- unfortunately TV will fail in a few seasons with the Giants for whatever reason, then come back to TAMU, ARKY, or LSU and rub it in our faces... Bank on it.
 
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UTK said:
It’s you bozos that have a view point of “just let a national championship coach walk” that just sounds stupid every time you open your mouth. Danny white didn’t let anyone “walk”. That was Tony Vs choice. He’s going to the MLB. It’s the only job he would have left here for. There was realistically not a thing Danny White could have done to keep Tony Vitello. Not. A. Single. Thing. No AD on this planet is keeping their coach if an MLB franchise came calling. Tony Vitello isn’t leaving because of some BS rumor about money that was supposed to go to baseball going to women’s basketball. Quit believing dumb ****. Yes women’s basketball gets more share, that’s common sense. But from a NIL perspective, Tennessee baseball gets more NIL dedicated to it than 99.9% of college baseball programs. That’s just facts. Did Tony V want more? I’m sure he did, you need to always want more. That’s not why Tony took an MLB job though, if you think that’s you are beyond delusional.
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Given the smoke it's likely Tony and DW didn't like each other very much and Tony may even have left because he doesn't like DW. The question what do you do about it? How would you have stopped it? He was already at the top of the pay scale. They are already spending over $100M to improve LNS. We're landing #1 classes. So what do you do? What more do you need? Despite the characterization of Tony running for the door, he sat on the decision for several days. What do you do about that? I don't know what you can unless you are willing to pay well above market, and then you just look sad and desperate. Baseball is still a business and there is a limit to what you can justify paying.

And this won't be popular, but is Tony the baseball Saban? Maybe, but we honestly don't know at this point. He's obviously good, unquestionably likeable, and was a great representative of the school and baseball program, but there is a ton of daylight between one CWS and GOAT status. I certainly would have loved another 10 seasons to find out, but that isn't happening. Next man up.
 
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Coach Orgeron out there in the media openly saying he's ready to get back to work in whatever capacity comes open and mentioned DC specifically...

I'd take that guy back in a heartbeat as DC just for his fire and dedication alone... Go ahead and give "3rd or 4th and Banks" his pink slip on Monday after we see KY produce their largest offensive showing this season against our pathetic defense...

Sidenote----- When asked what would have happened if Kiffin and crew had stayed at TN, he responded "It would have been the wild wild west!!"
 
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UTK said:
Don’t let anyone tell you the next guy can’t do what Tony did. Tony may be 1/1 from an overall package/perosnality, but the next guy will compete and win natties for us too. I’m 100% confident in that.
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Let’s not get crazy. We have had a nothing baseball program until Tony and he brought us our first ever national championship in the history of our program. To say the next guy will win multiple and be as good as Tony is crazy. He is the greatest coach ever at Tennessee for baseball and one of the best ever in college baseball history. I know you want to be positive but anyone that we hire will be a step down.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Due diligence and deniability. You use the firm to do background checks and the legwork. DW makes the hire. If something is found on a background two years later, he says, “that’s what we used the firm to find out.”
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Sure. . . but he already works here. Isnt that something that should've already been done?
 
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volinbama256 said:
Coach Orgeron out there in the media openly saying he's ready to get back to work in whatever capacity comes open and mentioned DC specifically...

I'd take that guy back in a heartbeat as DC just for his fire and dedication alone... Go ahead and give "3rd or 4th and Banks" his pink slip on Monday after we see KY produce their largest offensive showing this season against our pathetic defense...

Sidenote----- When asked what would have happened if Kiffin and crew had stayed at TN, he responded "It would have been the wild wild west!!"
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Don’t think he mentioned DC. He said HC or DL coach unless I missed the DC comment.

Also he wasn’t considered a particularly good DC. Good DL coach. Good recruiter.
 
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UTK said:
Don’t let anyone tell you the next guy can’t do what Tony did. Tony may be 1/1 from an overall package/perosnality, but the next guy will compete and win natties for us too. I’m 100% confident in that.
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And how many years from now will that be? I don't know if you realize this, but unless DW hires Elander, we are about to see half our team jump in the portal and our "#1 recruiting class" will evaporate before your eyes... these kids came to play for TV and Elander... don't kid yourself...
 
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volinbama256 said:
And how many years from now will that be? I don't know if you realize this, but unless DW hires Elander, we are about to see half our team jump in the portal and our "#1 recruiting class" will evaporate before your eyes... these kids came to play for TV and Elander... don't kid yourself...
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What else that crystal ball say?
 
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volinbama256 said:
Coach Orgeron out there in the media openly saying he's ready to get back to work in whatever capacity comes open and mentioned DC specifically...

I'd take that guy back in a heartbeat as DC just for his fire and dedication alone... Go ahead and give "3rd or 4th and Banks" his pink slip on Monday after we see KY produce their largest offensive showing this season against our pathetic defense...

Sidenote----- When asked what would have happened if Kiffin and crew had stayed at TN, he responded "It would have been the wild wild west!!"
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I bet the money is drying up after his divorce settlement a few months ago.
 
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