Recruiting Forum Football Talk IX

[85SugarVol]

Exactly. You now have Trey Wallace, Tony Basilio, Chris Burke, and Kendall Rogers all implying there were issues in the AD but because Basilio is the most vocal about it people don’t want to believe it.

There was clearly some sort of rift between DW & TV - too many sources (other than Basilio) saying it.

And there was clearly something from a funding perspective that Tony wanted, that he felt Danny wasn’t providing (or that Danny was shell-gaming elsewhere).

None of that “places” the blame on DW imo.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

By the way... wasn't it Basillio?

Basilio right now

 

[knoxvol52]

If CJH won the natty and two years later leaves for the 49ers head coaching job idk man I think I would be hella happy we won a natty again

What if he left for the Ohio State job two years after winning the National Championship or another SEC job ,,?

 

[give_him 6]

Serious question: does anyone know how his last baseball hire did? Has he hired a baseball coach?

I just searched Ask Jeeves and it said he hired Greg Lovelady at UCF in 2016. Lovelady go them to an NCAA regional in his first year and was off to a 15-3 start in 2020 until the season was canceled due to COVID. He fizzled out after that.

 

[utvolmaniac]

Grabbed a fresh bottle of Bulleit 10 year. I shall partake tonight.

Just poured myself some Russell’s Reserve 13 year to celebrate and lament the TV news. Happy for him. Sorry for us.

In going to SF, TV should watch/re-watch Crocodile Dundee.

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[MockingVol]

So they courted him for 2 years and couldn’t get it done? Doesn’t seem like he really entertained it then does it?

And LSU, the best baseball job in the country couldn’t hire him away? Hmm.. what does that tell you?

That tells me that the AD did everything in his power to keep said coach here.

 

[BigSteve09]

ITS THE MLB

sweet Jesus, people

 

[butchna]

Rev share as he stated:

5% for “other” equalling $900k of which $750k went to baseball, which means women’s bb got $900k. That difference is a far cry from the $5mil and $2.2mil figures that got tossed around.

5% at $900k puts rev share at $18mil. Thought it was $20.5mil

Either way it sounds like those numbers might be slightly off but also sounds like the rumor numbers were way off. 5% of 20.5mil would be 1.025mil. So yeah appears the rumors were simply rumors or at least gross exaggerations of truth, assuming it was ONLY about rev share.

He also stated a operating budget of $14mil and that being the highest or close to highest in ncaa, so unless that’s a lie too it doesn’t seem like a lack of commitment to baseball excellence had the role in this that many are saying.

Ok flame away for me being a blind DW supporter.

It’s a thankless job until someone steals him. Vols fans know what a bad AD looks like, but never let that stop us.

 

[Jackcrevol]

That tells me that the AD did everything in his power to keep said coach here.

wait wait you mean DW knows what he's doing????

 

[engineerVOL]

If we’re going to be an everything school, distributing dollars based on weight, football will suffer. Almost need to be heavy handed with other sports and give all the FU money to football like Ohio State to win a natty.

 

[Jimmy Football]

ITS THE MLB

sweet Jesus, people

“There’s going to be books written about how this deal fell apart. There is no way this was just the allure of the Giants.”

- VFL Legend Chris Burke

 

[JCP201]

I see these talking heads stir up our fan base so they can get ratings. Danny White is the best AD we've had in forever. Our fan base hopefully is not this stupid.

 

[Volbucky]

“There’s going to be books written about how this deal fell apart. There is no way this was just the allure of the Giants.”

- VFL Legend Chris Burke

I’d imagine he’s shocked and clueless all at the same time like most on here.

 

[butchna]

“Before that bum Moses started meddling, we had it great in Egypt. Constant construction work and a bag of grain a day. Yeah we’d have our male babies purged every now and then and take some ass whippings, but it’s way better than moving forward and eating damn Manna! Fire his tablet carving butt and get a real AD!”
- Israel State fans prolly

 

[Jimmy Football]

I’d imagine he’s shocked and clueless all at the same time like most on here.

I don’t think he’s clueless. He probably is shocked.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Rev share as he stated:

5% for “other” equalling $900k of which $750k went to baseball, which means women’s bb got $900k. That difference is a far cry from the $5mil and $2.2mil figures that got tossed around.

5% at $900k puts rev share at $18mil. Thought it was $20.5mil

Either way it sounds like those numbers might be slightly off but also sounds like the rumor numbers were way off. 5% of 20.5mil would be 1.025mil. So yeah appears the rumors were simply rumors or at least gross exaggerations of truth, assuming it was ONLY about rev share.

He also stated a operating budget of $14mil and that being the highest or close to highest in ncaa, so unless that’s a lie too it doesn’t seem like a lack of commitment to baseball excellence had the role in this that many are saying.

Ok flame away for me being a blind DW supporter.

The extra 2.5 mil went to pay for new scholarships, DW mentioned this. Baseball now has 34 roster spots that money came out of a portion of the revenue share (which most schools offset the new higher scholarships this way, not a TN only thing)

18m is the closest rough estimate.

75% or 13.5m to football
15% to 2.7m men's basketball
5% to 900k women's basketball
5% for 900k all other sports and I'm sure that was broken up to majority to baseball and softball

Football and Men's Basketball were the only 2 sports that made a profit. The assumption is with Kim winning and the bigger baseball park those 2 sports will become profitable I'm sure though.

 

[Volator]

I am not so sure if TV doesn’t have success at SF that he returns to college ball. Very few programs have the resources he would need and those programs may not have openings. Plus NIL and revenue share is a different landscape. MLB has a history of recycling managers so it wouldn’t surprise me if he stayed there is some capacity imo.

 

[SoilVol]

If we’re going to be an everything school, distributing dollars based on weight, football will suffer. Almost need to be heavy handed with other sports and give all the FU money to football like Ohio State to win a natty.

What you do is dump money into a new staff to jump start the program (WBB) then you dump money into programs year-by-year that's closest at the time to making a deep postseason or has been. You reward the staff and athletes by giving them more resources the following year.

If football had a junior/senior Heisman-contending QB with an experienced team around him you dump money into it to sure up the holes and give them the best odds to win. But the following year that money probably goes to a different program.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

 

[butchna]

Scattershooting remembering our Lady Vol purists hating the Caldwell hire. His too tight jacket was hella poignant.

 

[Jimmy Football]

I am not so sure if TV doesn’t have success at SF that he returns to college ball. Very few programs have the resources he would need and those programs may not have openings. Plus NIL and revenue share is a different landscape. MLB has a history of recycling managers so it wouldn’t surprise me if he stayed there is some capacity imo.

Arkansas will give him a king’s ransom to get them that natty. They got nothing else going on.

 

[Devo182]

Death nail would be the VN-ism...Death Knell is the real thing.

Don't ruin the bit, McGill

 

[VolGee4]

If we’re going to be an everything school, distributing dollars based on weight, football will suffer. Almost need to be heavy handed with other sports and give all the FU money to football like Ohio State to win a natty.

We have donors who will pony up for the big sports. Generally, the Big Ten stinks at baseball and softball because of geography although some have decent softball programs. They probably just give up and use more for other sports.

 

[peaygolf]

I'm just glad to know that baseball is still "America's Pastime." This is proof!

It warms my heart...............

 

[InVOLuntary]

Danny White has done absolutely nothing up to this point to cause us to question him as a leader. I am going to choose to stick with Danny until I’m given the reason not to. Maybe there was some animosity between the two camps, but whatever he has done is for the best of the university, not one program. And if Tony Vitello could not deal with that, then maybe it is best he left.

Like in most divorces there's usually plenty of blame to go around. It's ashame people can't get out of the way of their own egos to make a good thing better. I'm convinced there has been some rift brewing for a while now. Who's to fault, no one knows?

I'm not big Basilio fan but he was right. If what's been reported that DW wasn't even involved in trying to keep TV, that tells me he was fine with him leaving. If that's the case, then the onus is on him to hire at a level to keep things at the level it is. If he doesn't then he deserves the criticism.

And, to be clear, I'm not off the DW band wagon. As you've said, he's done well. He's hired we'll, even though we have no championships to show for it, it seems to be on the right track. Those hires were different. Both Caldwell and Heup replaced dumpster fires. He's now got to hire a coach to replace a national championship coach.