Safety shouldn't have counted - Ejection for roughing-the-passer instead

#104
#104
bamawriter said:
Every contact with a defenseless player is not necessarily targeting.
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Great. So did he make forcible contact with Aguilar’s head?

“No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder.”
 
#105
#105
goldvol said:
Great. So did he make forcible contact with Aguilar’s head?
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No.
goldvol said:
“No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder.”
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Keeley didn't club, spear, punch, or elbow Aguilar's head. If what Keeley did was forcible contact, then any and all contact is forcible.
 
#106
#106
bamawriter said:
No.


Keeley didn't club, spear, punch, or elbow Aguilar's head. If what Keeley did was forcible contact, then any and all contact is forcible.
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Wrong. His hands to the Aguilars helmet is a call 100% of the time. There’s never a situation your hand can make contact with a QBs helmet and it not be a penalty. It’s true when the qb has thrown the ball and true when the qb is defenseless, like you have allowed in this case.

That’s obvious to anyone that watches football and knows the rules.
 
#107
#107
goldvol said:
Wrong. His hands to the Aguilars helmet is a call 100% of the time. There’s never a situation your hand can make contact with a QBs helmet and it not be a penalty. It’s true when the qb has thrown the ball and true when the qb is defenseless, like you have allowed in this case.

That’s obvious to anyone that watches football and knows the rules.
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Okay. So you're of the opinion that the refs missed multiple targeting calls on UT against Bryce Young in 2022?
 
#108
#108
bamawriter said:
Okay. So you're of the opinion that the refs missed multiple targeting calls on UT against Bryce Young in 2022?
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Got it, so now where on to “what-about”. Sure if a UT player hit Bryce Young in the head, it would be a personal foul. Let’s see some videos and we can all compare those missed calls.
 
#112
#112
bamawriter said:
I posted what you asked for and you didn't answer the question. Ray Charles could have seen that coming.
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You didn’t ask a question in your last post. In your previous post you mentioned multiple hands to the face in your question, then posted 1 video. What question was I supposed to answer?
 
#113
#113
goldvol said:
You didn’t ask a question in your last post. In your previous post you mentioned multiple hands to the face in your question, then posted 1 video. What question was I supposed to answer?
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Well, start with: is that targeting in the video I posted? You said "There’s never a situation your hand can make contact with a QBs helmet and it not be a penalty." I provided one. Should Thomas have been ejected for targeting?

And while you're figuring that out, here's a more apt comparison to Keeley's hands to the head:



Proceed to 3:34. Should Byron Young have been ejected for targeting?
 
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#114
#114
bamawriter said:
Well, start with: is that targeting in the video I posted? You said "There’s never a situation your hand can make contact with a QBs helmet and it not be a penalty." I provided one. Should Thomas have been ejected for targeting?

And while you're figuring that out, here's a more apt comparison to Keeley's hands to the face:



Proceed to 3:34. Should Byron Young have been ejected for targeting?
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Yeah, those should be a penalty. No, those weren’t nearly as blatant targeting as Keeley Superman smashing Aguilar.
Now, if you feel those should have been flagged, how do you reconcile the apparent inconsistency with Aguilar?
 
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#115
#115
goldvol said:
Yeah, those should be a penalty. No, those weren’t nearly as blatant targeting as Keeley Superman smashing Aguilar.
Now, if you feel those should have been flagged, how do you explain the apparent inconsistency with Aguilar?
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I didn't say they should have been flagged. You said all hits to a QB's helmet get penalized. You are clearly incorrect.
 
#117
#117
goldvol said:
No, I didn’t say every hit gets penalized. the ones you showed are a football penalty, but that doesn’t means they were called penalties by the ref.
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Oh, so they're all penalties whether or not they're called. Gotcha.

Can you cite the section of the rulebook that says that any and all contact to a QB's helmet is a penalty?
 
#120
#120
The safety, pick six, and fake offensive pass interference shouldn’t have counted. The targeting of Joey, the roughing of Joey in the end zone, the pass interference on Brazzel, and the constant Bama holding should have all counted. We should have won by 3 TDS. No blue font either. Those cheating scumbags.
 
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