Safety shouldn't have counted - Ejection for roughing-the-passer instead

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sjt18 said:
Bama held all game long... and you expect to get a call like that? Bama gets favorable officiating pretty much any time they play UT. That's especially true in Tuscaloosa.
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I think most whining about refs is just typical fan stuff, but this is a trend that is impossible to ignore. We’ve developed this dynamic where apparently nobody ever holds when they play us. No offensive line on planet Earth goes a whole game without grabbing somebody, yet we seem to never draw holding flags.
 
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goldvol said:
Looks like you are wrong about the 15 yard penalty on the kickoff. Although roughing is normally a dead ball foul, “If a change of possession occurs” it is enforced from the previous spot. Should have been Tennessee ball with no safety.
NCAA rule 9-1-9
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The whole "obvious the ball had been thrown" part of the roughing rule is going to make it a tough sell. Again, less than a second occurred between Aguilar going down and Keeley diving at him.
 
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GAVol said:
I think most whining about refs is just typical fan stuff, but this is a trend that is impossible to ignore. We’ve developed this dynamic where apparently nobody ever holds when they play us. No offensive line on planet Earth goes a whole game without grabbing somebody, yet we seem to never draw holding flags.
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I don't understand complaining about no holding calls on the other team when your team also got no holding calls.
 
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@bamawriter Besides the fact that he’s on the ground, everyone else has stopped, his body lands directly on him (a point of emphasis ) and his hands land clearly in Aguliars helmet, you’re absolutely right. It’s still targeting whether the ball was thrown or not.
And apparently bammers can’t read time on a video. Pretty easy thing to just post the time stamps of the video.
 
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GAVol said:
Over the course of multiple games though, we’ve had stretches where we couldn’t buy a flag. Last year we went multiple SEC games.
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I get it. This is anecdotal because I haven't looked at the numbers, but it seems like holding is down across the SEC. I feel like I've seen more defensive holding calls on DBs than I have offensive holding calls on OLs.
 
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goldvol said:
@bamawriter Besides the fact that he’s on the ground, everyone else has stopped, his body lands directly on him (a point of emphasis ) and his hands land clearly in Aguliars helmet, you’re absolutely right. It’s still targeting whether the ball was thrown or not.
And apparently bammers can’t read time on a video. Pretty easy thing to just post the time stamps of the video.
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My Youtube viewer doesn't have fractions of a second. In the video I linked, Aguilar hits the ground at 5:40 and Keeley is already diving at him. When Keeley first makes contact, the timer still reads 5:40. I don't know how to read that as anything other than "less than a second."

You said you looked at it frame by frame. Maybe you can post the timestamps.
 
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#1fulmerite said:
I was surprised we did get the roughing penalty when we did. Had JA not got up slow, ref would’ve thrown the flag. As far as nullifying the safety, we weren’t going to get that call at their place.
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Well, the official that was standing about five feet from the play staring directly at the late hit didn't even call that one. It took the ref coming in from 20 feet behind the line of scrimmage to come in and call the penalty.
 
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bamawriter said:
My Youtube viewer doesn't have fractions of a second. In the video I linked, Aguilar hits the ground at 5:40 and Keeley is already diving at him. When Keeley first makes contact, the timer still reads 5:40. I don't know how to read that as anything other than "less than a second."

You said you looked at it frame by frame. Maybe you can post the timestamps.
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so no answer then for ...

1. he’s on the ground
2. his body lands directly on him (a point of emphasis )
3. his hands land clearly on Aguliar's helmet.
4. It’s still targeting whether the ball was thrown or not.
 
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bamawriter said:
I get it. This is anecdotal because I haven't looked at the numbers, but it seems like holding is down across the SEC. I feel like I've seen more defensive holding calls on DBs than I have offensive holding calls on OLs.
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Defensive holding certainly wasn't called on the int returned for a td even though it was blatant right in front of the ref.

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The penalty the play before was more frustrating to me. If you watch a different angle in video motion, while the defender was late he does attempt to avoid placing his full body weight on Aguilar and only hits him on the side.
 
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goldvol said:
so no answer then for ...

1. he’s on the ground
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Yes. For a split second.
goldvol said:
2. his body lands directly on him (a point of emphasis )
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Where else was it gonna land?
goldvol said:
3. his hands land clearly on Aguliar's helmet.
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Okay. It'd be a stretch to call that "forcible contact" as would be required for targeting. And he didn't give Aguilar any business. Keeley literally bounced off of him.
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4. It’s still targeting whether the ball was thrown or not.
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It's not.

Very easy answers.
 
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vavolfan6 said:
The penalty the play before was more frustrating to me. If you watch a different angle on motion, the while the defender was late he does attempt to not place his full body weight on Aguilar and only hits him on the side.
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It’s close for me but this is where I end up, too. The hit is late relative to the pass, but it’s a scenario where the players on both sides were treating the ball as live. The defender hits one hand across Aguilar’s facemask but puts most of his weight into the ground on his upfield hip.

Roughing could have been called, but I also get why it wasn’t.
 
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bamawriter said:
Yes. For a split second.


Where else was it gonna land?


Okay. It'd be a stretch to call that "forcible contact" as would be required for targeting. And he didn't give Aguilar any business. Keeley literally bounced off of him.


It's not.

Very easy answers.
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Was Aguilar a defenseless player?
 
#99
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bamawriter said:
It wasn't a missed call, so it changed nothing.
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I have no love for SEC refs and thought the officiating was extremely one sided in Tuscaloosa in 2023 (maybe you disagree and yeah I am biased) but agree officiating is not why we lost to y’all this year. I can’t blame anyone besides our players and coaches for this latest disappointing road performance (getting tired of those).
 
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