Tennessee is not an Elite team (poll)

Would you personally rather have better coaching or better players (today)?

  • Better coaching staff

    Votes: 190 45.6%

  • Better players

    Votes: 227 54.4%
  • Total voters
    417
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#103
#103
EastTNVol6240 said:
For the people saying players, I’d suggest looking at someone like Vandy right now. No way do they have our talent level but look what they’re doing. That’s coaching, leadership, confidence, attitude. It’s contagious from the top down. Leadership means something.

Sure we need some more great recruits, but that alone isn’t the answer. Look at the past years when FSU and A&M were absolutely loaded but blew it. Coaching matters.
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Did you see the catches Vandy WRs & TEs were making Saturday? THAT is talent.
 
#109
#109
Orangeslice13 said:
I hear you.
I just think there are a lot of people crying that have short memories and are lacking perspective.

Clearly CJH is still learning on the job. So is Kirby Smart. He seems to have trouble with a certain team as well.

There’s a lot I’d like him to do better but the only way that happens is learning on the job.
Maybe he’s smart enough to have pick up a lesson or 2 Saturday night.


Either way CJH is the best thing we’ve had in a looooooog while. An I’m looking forward to seeing everyone else go through the coaching searches and be disappointed.

Especially Florida.
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With Kirby it was Ole Miss last year. He also struggles a bit with UK for some bizarre reason. They win but it is usually ugly.
 
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#112
#112
Other_Guy said:
We've seen coaching flaws in the best of the best when talent is even. Heupel and co with Georgia, Bama, Texas and OSU rosters would still win a ton of games. It would remind me of Sark.
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Now there's a coach that earns criticsim. Flagship school in the entire massive state of the best HS football talent in the country, and has effectively accomplished little by comparison.
 
#113
#113
GVF said:
Now there's a coach that earns criticsim. Flagship school in the entire massive state of the best HS football talent in the country, and has effectively accomplished little by comparison.
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Sark's record so far at Tex is similar to Jimbo's at A&M, yet nobody is talking about firing him.
 
#114
#114
Volador said:
So often when we faced a Spurrier team, I felt like we had as good if not better talent than what he fielded, but Spurrier just was a master at understanding the weaknesses of other teams and exploiting them. We (all) hated Spurrier but to this day, he was one of the greatest field time coaches I have ever witnessed. Agree. Coaching matters, and that is why every remaining SEC game will be utterly trench warfare. Go Vols
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Spot on. Spurrier's UF defeated many equally or more talented teams because he was an in-game mastermind.
 
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#115
#115
Orangeslice13 said:
and……
The #4,6or 8 recruiting class coming in
(Depending on who you ask)
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The problem with recruiting rankings is how they are given. Most 5* players are offensive skill position players. Heupel has done a great job getting those guys, but he’s lacking at defensive players. He did get Sanders on the offensive line and that’s a great start, but he needs DTs, LBers, corners and safeties. You can sign every 5* QB, WR, and RB available, have a great recruiting ranking, but you won’t have talent on defense. Recruiting is much more than a final ranking. Numbers can be misleading.
Finally, you have got to coach who you have. Our 2nd team DBs should not be this bad. Highly rated safety hasn’t played up to his ranking, the stacked recruitment of edge rushers haven’t played up to their ranking.
Once again, I don’t want to fire CJH
 
#116
#116
Lmao at the "better coaching staff" votes. We have won 30 games the last 3 seasons. Seasons 2, 3, and 4 of the CJH era. We will likely win our 10th in a bowlgame this season after a 9-3 regular season. When vegas had us at 7.5wins and our own SEC media picked us to finish 9th in a 16 team conference.

Not sure if we have that many idiots here, or just emotional tittybabies that let their feelings govern their decisions rather than their intellect, logic, and reason.

FIRE POPE!!
He just landed the #1WR AND #1 WR class in the nation. Great 24 and 25 classes too.

FIRE ELARBEE!!
He just landed the #1 Tackle in Sanders AND a 3* in Perry that is our most versatile. GREAT 26class too. Our Oline has been maybe best in SEC til Bama game with 4 sacks in 6 games.

FIRE BANKS!!
We FINISHED last season with 7th best defense in FBS. Havent had SEC caliber players at his Safety position since hes been here. Let Jacobe Thomas leave via portal so he has to start Turrentine who has never been good in 4 years. We have 2 good Safeties coming in 26, one being Wyatt who was a 5* until he committed to our VOLS.

Who else yall wanna fire this week?

If you're so confused that you want to fire Coach Hype then I can't help you. You probably don't have time with all the "No Kings" protests and trips to the pawn shop with other folks property to actually watch football anyway.
 
#117
#117
a vol n tears said:
The problem with recruiting rankings is how they are given. Most 5* players are offensive skill position players. Heupel has done a great job getting those guys, but he’s lacking at defensive players. He did get Sanders on the offensive line and that’s a great start, but he needs DTs, LBers, corners and safeties. You can sign every 5* QB, WR, and RB available, have a great recruiting ranking, but you won’t have talent on defense. Recruiting is much more than a final ranking. Numbers can be misleading.
Finally, you have got to coach who you have. Our 2nd team DBs should not be this bad. Highly rated safety hasn’t played up to his ranking, the stacked recruitment of edge rushers haven’t played up to their ranking.
Once again, I don’t want to fire CJH
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If you don’t think there’s been some seriously high level coaching going on after the dumpster fire offseason then I don’t know what you are looking at
 
#118
#118
Orangeslice13 said:
If you don’t think there’s been some seriously high level coaching going on after the dumpster fire offseason then I don’t know what you are looking at
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What was the dumpster fire. If in year 5 + portal options you have not solidified a roster at least 2 deep, you are the dumpster fire. With experienced coaches, that can be done with a 70 player scholarship limit.
 
#123
#123
Volador said:
Georgia, Bama and Gators have not feared UT in decades, and their records against us give reason for this. Coach Heupel came into a mess and made us relevant again, which was much needed and appreciated.

So, here is the underlying Q in our/Vol Nation's attempt to become an Elite Team and whereby our SEC foes will actually fear playing the Volunteers.

If you had ONE choice (and yes, there are a million variables to this question) to secure either better coaching or players (and you cannot select both), which would you personally prefer?


PS This is not an indictment on the current team/coaches however, we now have two losses w a brutal schedule remaining. So, that being said, if you had a magic wand and could be granted one of the 2 choices, which would you select?
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Post-Fulmer, the problem has primarily been the coaches and program infrastructure, not the players. Talent has been there (top-15 recruiting average), but development, schemes, and execution have faltered across multiple staffs. Players execute what they're taught.

When issues like penalties or poor tackling span eras, it's on the coaches to fix. Fans are partly right, firing coaches addresses symptoms, but true championship caliber needs holistic program fixes (e.g., better retention, adaptive schemes).

Under Heupel, the Vols are closer to contending than since Fulmer, but without addressing the constant issues, they'll hover at 8-9 wins. That's far better than Kiffin, Dooley, Jones, and Pruitt. But a program of this caliber should be better.

Or are we deluded and we're just Vandy with a bigger stadium?

Speaking of Vandy.
 
#125
#125
We need better coaching and better players. But if I had to pick one . . . I would say better coaching because:

1. I think our issue with penalties is pretty obvious - especially pre-snap penalties. We have looked undisciplined for years . . . And I haven’t seen a CJH team I would call “disciplined.”

2. We have been a poor tackling team . . . On and on.

3. We look like a clown show in road games. Obviously, the staff is failing to get us ready for big road games.
 
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