Recruiting Forum Football Talk IX

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volbeast33 said:
Tillman is the closest thing to an average player that we have on the offensive side right now. Wright has been a healthy scratch with the Dolphins. Sampson has been getting playing time but looks worse than Judkins in games and it hasn’t been close so far.

Here are the complaints against our guys:

WRs have a limited route tree and aren’t really beating coverage as much as they are schemed open.

RBs run against a lite box and we don’t have an intricate rushing attack.

QBs rely heavily on pre snap reads and don’t have many difficult throws.

I love our offense but it will continue to be used against us on the trail until we starting putting a few elite guys in the league.
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This years offense is completely different than any of Heup's previous ones. We run more pro sets than mega splits now. Most of what you are saying is wrong. Running against light boxes and depending on pre snap read is basic fundamental football since the beginning of time.
And the NFL could give a rat's fat hairy azz what offense a player comes out of, they look at tools, period. What type of offense did Patrick Mahomes run in college? Look it up.
 
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almirUT said:
With how our schedule set up this year it would kinda be disappointing imo.
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And that is what you said with what we knew when Nico Dollars left And knowing our defense was HURT and a rebuild anyway??

Go back and read the August threads and most people would have been happy with 9-3 even though most said we were 8-4….

The problem is most people‘s expectations changed during that Georgia 1st quarter and now they are forgetting August nightmares….
 
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SmyrnaATLVolisback said:
Truth is Heupel is our best coach since Kiffen or Fulmer. No debate. He is way better than the rest. Second truth, NIL has helped our football program immensely along with other sports. It’s up to the coaches to utilize NIL and the vast resources DW gives them to win a championship. Big part of our success in football and other sports that is not talked about is Danny White. He wants winners and gives coaches whatever they want and need to win. If they don’t, that is on them.
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To be honest, and don't get me wrong I love Fulmer, I think Heup is better coach than CPF. Fulmer won with great teams and some with good teams. Heup has done more with much less by using his brain than anybody since the General.
 
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csprig9 said:
I’m with you for the most part
What do we do with CWM
He has talent
The guys get better and he picks guys out of the portal really well at the Cb position
He’s plucked two first round talents the last 2 years which honestly is impressive as hell

Inge has talent coming in and young freshman talent so he’s doing pretty damn good also I think.. we will see how much they progress next year

Safety is bad and that’s the damn DC position he coaches

Offensively I think we are getting better each year and guys are progressing really well

I know CJH is to blame for game management but I also think the plays he calls have options that the QB controls with what he sees at the line of scrimmage

I wish we kicked the FG but I’m glad we went for the TD at the same time bc I do like the aggressiveness of going for it

If we score we’re having a different conversation today I think
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I hated the Willie hire when he came back. But it’s hard to deny the corners the last couple of years. We have first rounders and draft picks. Gibson, McCoy, Hood, and Boo are either first rounders or draft picks. Boo only if he gets his head out his a**. Inge had Washington’s linebackers playing well. I put it on talent right now which is why I say go young except Carter. And main reason I’m over Banks is safety play. It’s been bad for five years and our best one was a walk on who would die for the T. Have to recruit better and evaluate. Heupels so close to being elite and could be quick with a few changes.
 
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rikberry31 said:
To be honest, and don't get me wrong I love Fulmer, I think Heup is better coach than CPF. Fulmer won with great teams and some with good teams. Heup has done more with much less by using his brain than anybody since the General.
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I think you are right. But, we've got to get to the point where we can win against better teams on the road (we did beat LSU). Let it be this year with us going to the swamp and getting a win.
 
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rikberry31 said:
To be honest, and don't get me wrong I love Fulmer, I think Heup is better coach than CPF. Fulmer won with great teams and some with good teams. Heup has done more with much less by using his brain than anybody since the General.
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I think it’s difficult to judge, but I lean towards CJH being better. Until it comes to game mgmt. And Phil wasn’t great at that either, which is saying something lol.
 
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screenthis said:
I think you are right. But, we've got to get to the point where we can win against better teams on the road (we did beat LSU). Let it be this year with us going to the swamp and getting a win.
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I think fans need to adapt to the new reality, many are stuck in the old paradigm. The days of "You have to go undefeated to win a Natty," are over and there is much more parity. The same thing happened in the NFL a few decades ago, the playoffs were expanded, the Draft and now it is not unusual for team just north of .500 to make the playoffs.
This will be the new reality in college football going forward. A 2 or 3 loss season will be consider a good one and those teams will contend for the playoffs.
 
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volKano said:
A salary cap stops owners from being cheap. NFL teams are required to spend a minimum of 85% of the salary cap to field a team. MLB can spend $3.50 and roll a team out to get slaughtered. It’s the minimum spending portion of the cap that helps.
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There will be another work stoppage in MLB after next season because the players union will never agree to a Salary Cap. Owners have fought this battle for many moons and they never win...
 
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90% of this board called UGA a coin flip at best and Bama a likely loss

90% of this board would have taken 10-2 and would have called us to be in this exact situation at this juncture of the season

99% of this board would have taken where we are today if you offered it to us in 2020

in the perspective/context of teams before Heupel, this team was still fighting in the 4th. We used to beg to have teams that didn't throw in the towel at halftime. For like 10 years we had teams that would have called it quits after the pick 6.

You don't have to compare every day vs your worst day to know whether it was good or not. You also cannot call every day a bad day because it isn't the best day you've ever had.
 
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rikberry31 said:
Heup calls every frickin offensive play. Halzle is just the eyes in the sky, Golesh didn't call the plays either.
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Golesh help with the game plan and installed new run concepts. Hazle does nothing but work with QBs. We need a true OC. I’d be fine with promoting Luttrell
 
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rikberry31 said:
To be honest, and don't get me wrong I love Fulmer, I think Heup is better coach than CPF. Fulmer won with great teams and some with good teams. Heup has done more with much less by using his brain than anybody since the General.
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Part of college coaching is recruiting. Fulmer could recruit with the best of them whereas recruiting is a weakness for Heupel. I do think Heupel is a better x's and o's coach than Fulmer was, but Fulmer was much better at getting the Jimmy's and Joe's. And to be fair, until Heupel produces a NC, I'm giving Fulmer the nod as the better coach, in his prime.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I've always thought Heup's teams improved throughout the season. Maybe my impressions have been wrong. However, this year I'm seeing sone regression. Maybe I'm wrong.
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The defense needs fixing in a bad way. I like Heup but he may have to "encourage" Banks to take a look at a HC gig at a lower level school. Our defense is just fundamentally bad. I know we have injuries at corner and DLine is still a bright spot. Safety play is just horrendous and hasn't been good for a long time.
 
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rikberry31 said:
This years offense is completely different than any of Heup's previous ones. We run more pro sets than mega splits now. Most of what you are saying is wrong. Running against light boxes and depending on pre snap read is basic fundamental football since the beginning of time.
And the NFL could give a rat's fat hairy azz what offense a player comes out of, they look at tools, period. What type of offense did Patrick Mahomes run in college? Look it up.
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I was just repeating what NFL scouts have said about our offense. It is not strictly my opinion. Patrick Mahomes ran the Air Raid.offense. His coach at Texas Tech went on to be the head coach at the Arizona Cardinals and the current OC of Washington in the NFL. Several Air Raid concepts have been adapted by the NFL.

I agree that Heup has made some excellent adjustments this season.Hopefully, it will change the perception of our program.
 
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