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#276
#276
sami said:
Says the clown that supports the party of mandates, lockdowns, and cancel culture. I saw a country full of manipulated and controlled people during the scamdemic who were more than willing to give up their freedoms for "safety and security" based on nothing but government narratives.

See, I support 100% your right to protest all day, regardless how ignorant the "cause" might be, as long as you don't destroy property or hurt people. You clearly don't share that feeling, as any protest or gathering that doesn't mesh with your opinions needs to be squashed, and the people doing so prosecuted.
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MAGA is embroiled in cancel culture too bro. More so than the left ever was.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I think it’s a pretty even **** show.
Both sides want to point at the other and claim the moral high ground where there is none
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Leftist public opinion has canceled folks in the past. The MAGA government is doing it now (visas for example). I mean hell we got people on this very thread contemplating the legality of birthright citizenship being protected by the constitution. Either they are foreigners posting here or they have a bunch of extra chromosomes. Dummies want to cancel themselves out of some weird misplaced living vicariously through politics mentality.
 
#283
#283
FLVOL_79 said:
Leftist public opinion has canceled folks in the past. The MAGA government is doing it now (visas for example). I mean hell we got people on this very thread contemplating the legality of birthright citizenship being protected by the constitution. Either they are foreigners posting here or they have a bunch of extra chromosomes. Dummies want to cancel themselves out of some weird misplaced living vicariously through politics mentality.
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Leftist politicians are just as guilty of using the government to cancel and silence their opposition.
It was wrong then and it’s wrong now.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
MAGA is embroiled in cancel culture too bro. More so than the left ever was.
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Nope, if you are truly looking at it objectively, it is about 50/50, the Left is just more successful in their efforts of canceling people, but the right would cancel more if we actually could lol
 
#287
#287
FLVOL_79 said:
The right complains about it more for sure but a 50/50 split would make sense.
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Ha! We do complain, but it gets us nowhere typically lol… the teachers celebrating Charlie Kirk’s death, we are not getting a lot of traction and the lawsuits are flying.. I’m torn on this one.. they are clearly horrible human beings and should not be saying such things around kids.. but should they have their livelihoods taken away? I’m not entirely convinced.. I guess you could be a mean person and effective teacher
 
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LadyVolette said:
Ha! We do complain, but it gets us nowhere typically lol… the teachers celebrating Charlie Kirk’s death, we are not getting a lot of traction and the lawsuits are flying.. I’m torn on this one.. they are clearly horrible human beings and should not be saying such things around kids.. but should they have their livelihoods taken away? I’m not entirely convinced.. I guess you could be a mean person and effective teacher
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There are consequences to actions!
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Oh, this sounds like fun, my primate friend.

]Shall we discuss your "awareness"? I've arrived at my current worldview *because* of intense self-reflection. Do you care to participate in a bit? Let's see if your hubris is well placed, or if a bit more humility may be in order? Shall we see where on that continuum you may actually land?
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Start a thread.....or not.......your call.
 
#291
#291
Persian Vol said:
Because it’s to emphasize anti fascism/anti authoritarianism.
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But the same people protesting “anti fascism/anti authoritarianism“ are the same people who just a few short years ago wer praising the lock downs, mandatory vax and wanting to send those who didn’t comply to concentration camps.
 
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luthervol said:
Start a thread.....or not.......your call.
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No. Here is fine.

luthervol said:
Anyone who watches this and isn't repulsed by trump is pretty much a lost cause.

It's amazing and incredibly sad.
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You've defined morality as subjective opinion based on social agreement, except when it disagrees with you. Then you are the author of the moral standard. And yet now, anyone who would disagree with your moral opinion is... how do you say? A lost cause? Whatever that means in your moral universe where morality is a meaningless concept.

Care to explain how seeking to hold the world to your subjective standard is not either meaningless drivel, massive arrogance in need of some serious introspection, or a both? (Hint, it; both.)

There are so many more wonderful questions you can answer about this clockwork mere-material universe that you want to treat like more than it is.

But alas, as a reminder, I do believe this is where we left off last time that you got tired of that self-reflection you claim to value.

I'll see you here when you're ready.

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You are touching on his problems. Once you make morality a relative and meaningless concept, you can do whatever you want to with it. It literally just becomes the worst of Machiavellian tactics. Nothing is "actually" wrong or right. Just useful for manipulating your end results.

You can excuse your side for doing it, while demonizing your enemies for doing it. Sound familiar?

You can call it wrong today when it benefits you and use it as an ideal tomorrow when that suits you. Sound familiar?

You can hit the escape hatch by merely claiming that we're all just bald apes, and yawn at the implications of that statement. Because it suits you, and also because you have nowhere else to go when questioned.


Save the babies because they are of immense, objective value! You should suffer if it saves just one baby! (Also, they're just ape meat and would be treated much differently by the jungle apes, and I have no basis to say why we-apes should be any different than they-apes.)
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Orange_Crush said:
They only stink if you have a nose--i.e. the ability to judge each one. When you do away with the external standard of judgment, it's just an argument that you like your sphincter best. IOW, it becomes a contest in arrogance and loses any argumentative power.




That's why I keep asking @luthervol what the basis of his moral standard is, as well as the basis of his trust in his ability to properly interpret reality around himself.

His argument is that morality is defined by society, yet social morality is often wrong and needs to evolve to become "better". When push comes to shove, that "better" is no more than his opinion. Morality is a meaningless concept that just means that we should conform to his preferences.

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When asked about his trust in his ability to interpret reality around himself, I have been given no indication that he actually realizes the gravity of his predicament.

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He claims that humanity is nothing more than bald primates who are merely the result of random mutations and time--survival of the fittest, with "fittest" defined as the ones that are most adept at leaving behind their genetic material. "Fittest" cannot be defined as "rational and capable of properly interpreting reality", since random mutation and time cannot have that end in mind. And since one must use their mind, senses and rationality to judge how well their mind, senses and rationality correspond to reality, they are locked into a nihilistic question of whether or not they can actually trust that they are rational beings who correctly perceive reality around themselves.




So, Luther is painted into the corner of arguing that he is morally "right" and others are morally "wrong", based on societal definitions that he also claims can be immoral, thus we have the "moral" mandate to change.

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He claims that his opinions are the best opinions, with no reason whatsoever to believe that his opinions actually even correspond to objective reality.




It's this incredibly odd place where he is a progressive (whatever that means in this relativistic universe he's created in his mind), trying to hold us to a standard that he invented in his mind--which he contradicts at every step. He argues mere opinion as better/worse without any capability to support any standard that would make one opinion better than any other opinion, considering that, as far as he's concerned, we may or may not be mere primates. Although we could also not even exist, as he may be just some form of primordial goo that evolved to believe he's one of many apes. As far as he's concerned, the entire universe may just be a figment of his imagination.



Until he can grapple with that, he's literally just a yawn-factory selling self-contradictions. He realizes this, as evidenced by his defensive non-replies. But he won't admit it, except via the inevitable distraction replies, the most recent being "yawning" them away and retreating for a bit.
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hog88 said:
But the same people protesting “anti fascism/anti authoritarianism“ are the same people who just a few short years ago wer praising the lock downs, mandatory vax and wanting to send those who didn’t comply to concentration camps.
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And sent their "gestapo" (using their term) to silence political adversaries to meta, Google, twitter. To their state sponsored media to tell them what to report as true.
 
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#294
InVOLuntary said:
And sent their "gestapo" (using their term) to silence political adversaries to meta, Google, twitter. To their state sponsored media to tell them what to report as true.
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It's looking more and more like the conspiracy theorists were right and the Jan 6 investigation was pretty much the ultimate gov't cancel culture.

Then we have Obama's IRS targeting conservatives.

Biden's admin pressuring banks to de-bank conservatives...
 
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Orange_Crush said:
It's looking more and more like the conspiracy theorists were right and the Jan 6 investigation was pretty much the ultimate gov't cancel culture.

Then we have Obama's IRS targeting conservatives.

Biden's admin pressuring banks to de-bank conservatives...
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Lawfare, the Steele dossier used to spy on Trump's campaign complicit all the way up to Obama. It's organized crime.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Please, enlighten us as to why in a concise manner. You must know something that learned experts in economics must have missed.
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What are you referring to? Yeah, I don't remember the "experts" saying anything about the 2000 bubble or the 2008 bubble, so yes many might have missed something.
 
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#298
Orange_Crush said:
No. Here is fine.



You've defined morality as subjective opinion based on social agreement, except when it disagrees with you. Then you are the author of the moral standard. And yet now, anyone who would disagree with your moral opinion is... how do you say? A lost cause? Whatever that means in your moral universe where morality is a meaningless concept.

Care to explain how seeking to hold the world to your subjective standard is not either meaningless drivel, massive arrogance in need of some serious introspection, or a both? (Hint, it; both.)

There are so many more wonderful questions you can answer about this clockwork mere-material universe that you want to treat like more than it is.

But alas, as a reminder, I do believe this is where we left off last time that you got tired of that self-reflection you claim to value.

I'll see you here when you're ready.
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Not even reading it.....start a dedicated thread.....or not.

Your call
 
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#300
FLVOL_79 said:
Leftist public opinion has canceled folks in the past. The MAGA government is doing it now (visas for example). I mean hell we got people on this very thread contemplating the legality of birthright citizenship being protected by the constitution. Either they are foreigners posting here or they have a bunch of extra chromosomes. Dummies want to cancel themselves out of some weird misplaced living vicariously through politics mentality.
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Where in the Constitution does it say that? I have provided the U.S. Supreme Court case on it and at best an absolute right clearly does not exist.

So, what are referring to?

Either they are foreigners posting here or they have a bunch of extra chromosomes.
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That's a bold statement, now what are you referring to?
 
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