Report: Florida already discussing firing Napier

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Carp said:
Kelly won't be going to PSU unless he is fired at LSU, or there is some sort of agreement in replace from both sides to drop the buyout. His buyout at LSU is way too much for PSU to absorb with the Franklin buyout.

In the chance that Kelly does leave, LSU likely throws everything they have at Kiffin. They tried to get him as OC back in 2016 before he took the FAU job.

Virtually zero chance that Clemson is firing Dabo.

If USF makes the playoffs, then Golesh stays at USF until at least after the playoffs. That means the only schools looking at him will be schools that get their HC poached in early December and aren't too concerned about the early signing period. UF certainly won't be one of those schools. If USF misses the playoffs, someone is absolutely snatching him up by the first week of December.

Franklin to VT just makes too much sense, imo. He is exactly the sort of coach they are looking for, but have previously not been able to land for various reasons. I could also see him at FSU or UF since he has a 2nd home in Florida already, I just don't know if those schools can sell his poor record against elite teams to their fan bases.
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You really think LSU is gonna put up much of a fight to keep BK? Oh please don't throw me in the briar patch-Briar Rabbit.

I'm not sure how much the buyout would be on his side-I imagine $10.million or so. Like $70 million if LSU has to fire him.

Somebody taking Kelly off their hands would just solve a big problem for them.
 
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stolitonic said:
You really think LSU is gonna put up much of a fight to keep BK? Oh please don't throw me in the briar patch-Briar Rabbit.

I'm not sure how much the buyout would be on his side-I imagine $10.million or so. Like $70 million if LSU has to fire him.

Somebody taking Kelly off their hands would just solve a big problem for them.
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I’d pay to see Kelly’s reaction.. “But I finally won a season opener!”
 
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stolitonic said:
You really think LSU is gonna put up much of a fight to keep BK? Oh please don't throw me in the briar patch-Briar Rabbit.

I'm not sure how much the buyout would be on his side-I imagine $10.million or so. Like $70 million if LSU has to fire him.

Somebody taking Kelly off their hands would just solve a big problem for them.
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I guess I am thinking more along the lines that PSU won't want to pay his buyout when they are already paying Franklin so much, and then they have to turn around and pay Kelly more than the 10 million per year that he is already getting paid at LSU. I don't think they have the funds to do all that. Just my opinion.
 
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Carp said:
I guess I am thinking more along the lines that PSU won't want to pay his buyout when they are already paying Franklin so much, and then they have to turn around and pay Kelly more than the 10 million per year that he is already getting paid at LSU. I don't think they have the funds to do all that. Just my opinion.
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The thing with these coaches on huge guaranteed contracts is you have to get them an even worse deal to hire them away. Brian Kelly gets nearly 60 million dollars from LSU no matter if he succeeds or fails. And honestly he hasn't been winning at a clip that has satiated LSU fans so I am not even sure such a hire would please the PSU fan base. Perhaps it would, but if I'm a PSU fan I would rather have just kept James Franklin.

This is a non-paywalled list of the biggest buyouts in the country. This is the portion of their contract that is guaranteed. It's not what it would cost someone to hire them away.

www.on3.com

Top 25 largest buyouts for college football head coaches in 2025

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RandomUTfan said:


This is crazy though. James Franklin is better than whomever they are going to end up with.
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For real.

Urban Meyer, Kiffin, and Drinkwitz are probably the only semi-realistic candidates for them that I would say are equal or better than Franklin. Curt Cignetti isn't gonna leave Indiana, imo.

So who else does that leave? Matt Campbell, who has like a 35% winning percentage vs ranked opponents? Or Matt Rhule who is barely over .500 for his college HC career and is winless against ranked teams at Nebraska?

UF fans about to be really disappointed.
 
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RandomUTfan said:
The thing with these coaches on huge guaranteed contracts is you have to get them an even worse deal to hire them away. Brian Kelly gets nearly 60 million dollars from LSU no matter if he succeeds or fails. And honestly he hasn't been winning at a clip that has satiated LSU fans so I am not even sure such a hire would please the PSU fan base. Perhaps it would, but if I'm a PSU fan I would rather have just kept James Franklin.

This is a non-paywalled list of the biggest buyouts in the country. This is the portion of their contract that is guaranteed. It's not what it would cost someone to hire them away.

www.on3.com

Top 25 largest buyouts for college football head coaches in 2025

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www.on3.com www.on3.com
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Yep. I think Kelly's side of the buyout is around 10 million if he leaves. Then PSU also has to pay him more than the 10+ million annually he was already making. I just don't see it.
 
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Carp said:
For real.

Urban Meyer, Kiffin, and Drinkwitz are probably the only semi-realistic candidates for them that I would say are equal or better than Franklin. Curt Cignetti isn't gonna leave Indiana, imo.

So who else does that leave? Matt Campbell, who has like a 35% winning percentage vs ranked opponents? Or Matt Rhule who is barely over .500 for his college HC career and is winless against ranked teams at Nebraska?

UF fans about to be really disappointed.
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Matt Campbell has turned down all sorts of jobs. I don't get it, but he seems happy there. Maybe this is the year he takes a better job but I think he has had NFL opportunties too he's turned down. Not sure what capacity. Mark Cuban will make sure Curt Cignetti stays in Boomington. Rhule will take the PSU job if he leaves Nebraska. I'm not convinced he will. His QB doesn't seem to think he will.

It's funny because I've seen list after list of coaching candidates from Florida fans and I haven't seen one yet that I thought would take that job.

The optics are worse now because there's a clear division between the most powerful boosters, and the UAA. Who wants to sign up for that?
 
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Carp said:
For real.

Urban Meyer, Kiffin, and Drinkwitz are probably the only semi-realistic candidates for them that I would say are equal or better than Franklin. Curt Cignetti isn't gonna leave Indiana, imo.

So who else does that leave? Matt Campbell, who has like a 35% winning percentage vs ranked opponents? Or Matt Rhule who is barely over .500 for his college HC career and is winless against ranked teams at Nebraska?

UF fans about to be really disappointed.
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UF fans can't get optimistic until they get administrative and booster alignment. They are a complete mess at the moment with an interim President, an AD who seems to be fairly widely disliked (although he just signed a long contract extension, so he's going nowhere), and disagreements among boosters that are preventing them from pulling in the same direction.

It's really similar to what was going on at UT until Boyd, Plowman, and White came in. And we still were initially underwhelmed when they hired Heupel.
 
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RandomUTfan said:
Matt Campbell has turned down all sorts of jobs. I don't get it, but he seems happy there. Maybe this is the year he takes a better job but I think he has had NFL opportunties too he's turned down. Not sure what capacity. Mark Cuban will make sure Curt Cignetti stays in Boomington. Rhule will take the PSU job if he leaves Nebraska. I'm not convinced he will. His QB doesn't seem to think he will.

It's funny because I've seen list after list of coaching candidates from Florida fans and I haven't seen one yet that I thought would take that job.

The optics are worse now because there's a clear division between the most powerful boosters, and the UAA. Who wants to sign up for that?
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I think MC is one of the very few people in the profession that has achieved a certain level of success or status in his industry and is happy with it.

To become an FBS coach, especially a P4 coach, you generally have to have a disposition that doesn't allow for contentment (which can be a bad thing). There's always some bigger and better thing that they are chasing after. Most people who make considerable fortunes don't just dip out after making the fortune and keep working because it was that disposition that allowed them to make the fortune in the first place.
 
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Unconditional Surrender said:
And their stadium seats 50k and you could get into the Illinois game for 125 bucks.
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And he has zero expectations. And he is already a hero. And he is about to get resources pretty on-par with Florida. And he doesn't have to play in the SEC. And he has a monumentally easier path to the playoff.

If any coach is considering only the stadium size and price of a ticket to choose his job, he's an idiot that nobody should actually want as a coach.
 
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ButchPlz said:
And he has zero expectations. And he is already a hero. And he is about to get resources pretty on-par with Florida. And he doesn't have to play in the SEC. And he has a monumentally easier path to the playoff.

If any coach is considering only the stadium size and price of a ticket to choose his job, he's an idiot that nobody should actually want as a coach.
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The inability of a lot of people to place themselves in that coach's shoes is amazing to me. If you've ever worked any type of job, it's easy to see why Cignetti would stay at Indiana.

You've got an office job that pays $100k/year. Not only are you successful there, but your bosses love you because you've brought a level of success to that position that hasn't been seen...ever. You have an opportunity to go to another company that is more prestigious, a more recognized brand, has a nicer office, etc., but also would be a much more stressful, scrutinized, and complicated job. The previous guy in that position, who was doing a fairly good job, made basically the same money you did and just got ran out of town on a rail because he failed to meet their very high expectations.

Are you jumping to take that job?
 
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ButchPlz said:
And he has zero expectations. And he is already a hero. And he is about to get resources pretty on-par with Florida. And he doesn't have to play in the SEC. And he has a monumentally easier path to the playoff.

If any coach is considering only the stadium size and price of a ticket to choose his job, he's an idiot that nobody should actually want as a coach.
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No, Indiana will not have the same resources as Florida or Penn State. Ticket prices and stadium size are a great proxy for that. These things also map to apparel sales and contracts. Saban didn't leave Michigan State and come south for no reason. And Michigan State is/was way more committed to winning at sports than Indiana. While the portal has evened things up a good bit, going back to one window will start to create more disparity. Also, you used to be glad Butch Jones was at Tennessee.
 
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05_never_again said:
The inability of a lot of people to place themselves in that coach's shoes is amazing to me. If you've ever worked any type of job, it's easy to see why Cignetti would stay at Indiana.

You've got an office job that pays $100k/year. Not only are you successful there, but your bosses love you because you've brought a level of success there that hasn't been seen...ever. You have an opportunity to go to another company that is more prestigious, a more recognized brand, has a nicer office, etc., but also would be a much more stressful, scrutinized, and complicated job. The previous guy in that position, who was doing a fairly good job, made basically the same money you did and just got ran out of town on a rail because he failed to meet their very high expectations.

Are you jumping to take that job?
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these great coaches aren't betas
 
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Unconditional Surrender said:
No, Indiana will not have the same resources as Florida or Penn State. Ticket prices and stadium size are a great proxy for that. These things also map to apparel sales and contracts. Saban didn't leave Michigan State and come south for no reason. And Michigan State is/was way more committed to winning at sports than Indiana. While the portal has evened things up a good bit, going back to one window will start to create more disparity. Also, you used to be glad Butch Jones was at Tennessee.
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Saban also more than doubled his salary to come to LSU. Cignetti makes the same money JF did.

The economics of coach's salaries are totally different than they were 25 years ago. For PSU to double Cignetti's salary, they'd have to pay him over $16m/year, which is like $4m more than what UGA pays Kirby.
 
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05_never_again said:
Saban also more than doubled his salary to come to LSU. Cignetti makes the same money JF did.

The economics of coach's salaries are totally different than they were 25 years ago. For PSU to double Cignetti's salary, they'd have to pay him over $16m/year, which is like $4m more than what UGA pays Kirby.
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The top programs will pay 16 million for the right guy. 100%
 
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Unconditional Surrender said:
The top programs will pay 16 million for the right guy. 100%
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...in several more years, maybe. If the TV rights deals continue to increase.

No school is going to pay any coach 20% more than Kirby Smart right now, unless there was no buyout or some other highly unusual stipulation that no coach would agree to.
 
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